When I first read that title, I thought Bush was addressing the conduct of his own administration regarding the plame case. I should have known better.....

Bush says leaking spy program a ‘shameful act’
President vows to continue domestic eavesdropping


NBC News and news services
Updated: 9:00 a.m. ET Dec. 20, 2005
WASHINGTON - President Bush on Monday said disclosure of his domestic eavesdropping program was a “shameful act” and said he will keep using it “for so long as the nation faces the continuing threat of an enemy that wants to kill American citizens.”

“As president of the United States and commander in chief I have the constitutional responsibility and the constitutional authority to protect our country,” he said in an opening statement at a year-end news conference.

Asked if the Justice Department would be investigating who leaked the existence of the program, first disclosed Friday by The New York Times, Bush said he presumed the process had started.

I have a really hard time understanding why GW (who was sworn to uphold the constitution) got up and admitted that he broke constitutional law. This is very unlike his administrations past denials of irrefutable truth. The wierd thing is that all he had to do was go to a judge within 72 hours to obtain retroactive warrant under the FISA guidelines, and to my knowledge, these warrants under the FISA guidelines are virtually always granted. Where are they going with?? Are they trying to challenge the 4th amendment??

The only reason I can see for a president to do this is because he is not spying only on "potential Terrorosts" Nothing else makes sense. Fisa does everyting he needs to do legally.
This is may be bigger than Y'all think. Just like torture, it is an unnessesary and illegal power that he has grabbed for.
Come Back Johnny D,
cds

According to my research, FISA has had 19,000 warrant requests brought to them since 1979. Of those, 4 were rejected and they were subsequently granted when reworked. Fishtoplease is correct, the government could execute a wiretap and then have 72 hours in which to get the warrant authorizing the wiretap. The real question is "Why did George W. Bush need this other power?
What is he trying to hide?"

"I have a really hard time understanding why GW (who was sworn to uphold the constitution) got up and admitted that he broke constitutional law."

He did not breal constitutional law.

read

Title 3
The President
Presidential Documents
Executive Order l2333 of December 4, 1981
United States Intelligence Activities.


RR did the same. So did WJC.

It politics pure and simple. Bushes number swhere running up things are looking up in Irqaq and the Doom and gloomers needed to be fed.

Conspiracy theory?
cds

"2.4 Collection Techniques. Agencies within the Intelligence Community
shall use the least intrusive collection techniques feasible within
the United States or directed against United States persons abroad.
Agencies are not authorized to use such techniques as electronic
surveillance, unconsented physical search, mail surveillance, physical
surveillance. or monitoring devices unless they are in accordance with
procedures established by the head of the agency concerned and approved
by the Attorney General. Such procedures shall protect constitutional
and other legal rights and limit use of such information to lawful
governmental purposes."

Key phrase "Such procedures shall protect constitutional
and other legal rights and limit use of such information to lawful
governmental purposes."

wrong, again queenie, but proving you wrong is as easy as waking up in the morning.

Wow Duckie you did not list legal scholar on your resume earlier. Should I call you chief justice Duckie?

You libs usually are prety good at parsing text and calling it proof.

Read this Duckie, And I have more for you . Now read the whole thing so you learn something.

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200512200946.asp

"is seeking congressional authorization for U.S. spies to continue conducting clandestine searches at foreign embassies"

Foreign embassies, the fourth amendment does not apply to foreign emassies, read your constituion, wee tood, or better yet, get back to me when you have your GED

Just skip to the byline and toss it in the garbage.

"Byron York, NR's White House correspondent, is the author of The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy: The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President — and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time."

Like all of the lefty lying games when the dust settles this will give GW a 10 point bounce from 47 to 57.

On top of presedential authority that if used he could become a quasi dictaor legally We have several SCOTUS decisions the FISA, 12333 and the precendent of other presidents doing the same with the same justification. Keep crying wolf girls no one is listing but your own selves.

Nope. No one here is listing.

You need to carry a "stupid sign."

that's L2333, get your facts straight, unless you were practicing your counting, then it's 1234, or if you're using binary it's 0000, 0001, 0010, 0011

Did you grow up under power lines??

Duckie,

I did not see spelling and grammar listed on your resume. I know however that if you where the official PP S&G Mommy that you would have gone back an corrected your own typos and misspellings of the last two days. Otherwise it would mean that you concede the point and are just looking to salvage something.

OH MY! That is so funny!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, just want to make sure you don't mislead too many people with your stupidity, at the end of the day I'm just much smarter than you, that's all.

I do not concede the point, you have not shown me anything on this subject that says a president can SPY on AMERICAN CITIZENS without ever obtaining a WARRANT. In fact, I have taken your own posts and illustrated where your argument is flawed.

Since FISA requires a warrant within 72 hours (which Bush did not get) and Clinton was spying on Foreign Embassies to gather intelligence on foreign threats, your argument holds as much water as a sieve. Show me a president in the last 50 years that has spied on American Citizens, without a warrant beides Richard Nixon.

Go ahead, go do your google search and get back to me.

I have to go and pick up some supplies for this weeks fishing adventures, I'm sure I won't be back before your significant other comes home and locks you back up in your cage. So you probably won't see my response to your BS until tomorrow.

AT the end of the day you have a couple of "DITTO HEADS" keeping 8 or 10 "liberals" tied up with thier double speak and talking points. Why do you let them do it?
Never argue with an idoit. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I'm just enjoying myself bashing queenie while I have a little time off during the holidays, once the rivers clear up I'll be out on the OP hookin' brats.

Wee todd is fodder for any one that went higher than the 4th grade in school, so yeah, it's like beating up a retard, but he's got it coming.

TK;
you are wrong, and the latest wingnut talking points are wrong also.

That’s flatly false. The Clinton administration program, code-named Echelon, complied with FISA. Before any conversations of U.S. persons were targeted, a FISA warrant was obtained. CIA director George Tenet testified to this before Congress on 4/12/00:

I’m here today to discuss specific issues about and allegations regarding Signals Intelligence activities and the so-called Echelon Program of the National Security Agency…

There is a rigorous regime of checks and balances which we, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency and the FBI scrupulously adhere to whenever conversations of U.S. persons are involved, whether directly or indirectly. We do not collect against U.S. persons unless they are agents of a foreign power as that term is defined in the law. We do not target their conversations for collection in the United States unless a FISA warrant has been obtained from the FISA court by the Justice Department.

Meanwhile, the position of the Bush administration is that they can bypass the FISA court and every other court, even when they are monitoring the communications of U.S. persons. It is the difference between following the law and breaking it.

So as you can see, Clinton went through the FISA courts for all the Echelon related taps.

Not surprising that you use an op-ed piece , and purport it to be factual. it's your time honored tactic, and once again, not correct.
When will you learn that an op ed pices in NRO is not a credible, fact based argument for damn near anything? This is at least the second or third time you have tried this garbage. LOL, I expect more from you, because I know you have more game than that.

There is no justification for not going to the FISA court. None.
This so called power that Bush claims to have has zero constitutional basis, and is based soley on the Yoo/Gonzalez memmorandums, it would appear.

Ask yourself , if this power was constitutional, then why HAVE a FISA court?

I could post from rulings by the FISA court, I could post other court rulings, or I could even post from an Op-Ed, but in your vaunted 'Oxford Style' I have refuted whatever 'point' you claim to have made with that worthless and inaccurate NRO op ed piece.
Unless you have some actual facts to post here, it would seem the game is over for your poorly researched, and inherently flawed argument.

Should you want me too, I will post links to FISA case, and one of the only FISA court judgements made public. it is, as one would assume, a refutation of an Ashcroft request. FISA courts aren't hard to get a waarant from, Eddie posted some numbers, and with a 72 hour 'backwards window' there is simply no excuse.
Strict constructionist my ass dude.................

Just because I don't post much here, doesn't mean I don't read it anymore.

KK

The facts haven't changed here TK, Bush was required to get a warrant, under FISA, and did not. Only the ultimate Bush apologists even bother to argue that, refer back to my previous post, should you choose to deal in facts. If not, toddle on over to free republic with the rest of the totalitarianists, who would grant Bush whatever powers he feels he fabricate out of whole cloth.

This is another Cheney attempt to put unwarranted powers in the hands of the Executive branch, something he has been all about since Nixon. He is very open about his desires to so, and when Dick gets his own country, than he can make his own rules. Not here, thank you.