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#170754 - 12/20/05 02:51 PM Bush calls leaking shamefull
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#170755 - 12/20/05 03:16 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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I have a really hard time understanding why GW (who was sworn to uphold the constitution) got up and admitted that he broke constitutional law. This is very unlike his administrations past denials of irrefutable truth. The wierd thing is that all he had to do was go to a judge within 72 hours to obtain retroactive warrant under the FISA guidelines, and to my knowledge, these warrants under the FISA guidelines are virtually always granted. Where are they going with?? Are they trying to challenge the 4th amendment??
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#170757 - 12/20/05 04:02 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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According to my research, FISA has had 19,000 warrant requests brought to them since 1979. Of those, 4 were rejected and they were subsequently granted when reworked. Fishtoplease is correct, the government could execute a wiretap and then have 72 hours in which to get the warrant authorizing the wiretap. The real question is "Why did George W. Bush need this other power?
What is he trying to hide?"
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#170758 - 12/20/05 04:45 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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"I have a really hard time understanding why GW (who was sworn to uphold the constitution) got up and admitted that he broke constitutional law."

He did not breal constitutional law.

read

Title 3
The President
Presidential Documents
Executive Order l2333 of December 4, 1981
United States Intelligence Activities.


RR did the same. So did WJC.

It politics pure and simple. Bushes number swhere running up things are looking up in Irqaq and the Doom and gloomers needed to be fed.
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#170760 - 12/20/05 05:22 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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"2.4 Collection Techniques. Agencies within the Intelligence Community
shall use the least intrusive collection techniques feasible within
the United States or directed against United States persons abroad.
Agencies are not authorized to use such techniques as electronic
surveillance, unconsented physical search, mail surveillance, physical
surveillance. or monitoring devices unless they are in accordance with
procedures established by the head of the agency concerned and approved
by the Attorney General. Such procedures shall protect constitutional
and other legal rights and limit use of such information to lawful
governmental purposes."

Key phrase "Such procedures shall protect constitutional
and other legal rights and limit use of such information to lawful
governmental purposes."

wrong, again queenie, but proving you wrong is as easy as waking up in the morning.
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#170761 - 12/20/05 05:59 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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Wow Duckie you did not list legal scholar on your resume earlier. Should I call you chief justice Duckie?

You libs usually are prety good at parsing text and calling it proof.

Read this Duckie, And I have more for you . Now read the whole thing so you learn something.

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200512200946.asp
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#170762 - 12/20/05 06:07 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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"is seeking congressional authorization for U.S. spies to continue conducting clandestine searches at foreign embassies"

Foreign embassies, the fourth amendment does not apply to foreign emassies, read your constituion, wee tood, or better yet, get back to me when you have your GED
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#170763 - 12/20/05 06:18 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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#170764 - 12/20/05 06:25 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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Like all of the lefty lying games when the dust settles this will give GW a 10 point bounce from 47 to 57.

On top of presedential authority that if used he could become a quasi dictaor legally We have several SCOTUS decisions the FISA, 12333 and the precendent of other presidents doing the same with the same justification. Keep crying wolf girls no one is listing but your own selves.
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#170766 - 12/20/05 06:31 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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that's L2333, get your facts straight, unless you were practicing your counting, then it's 1234, or if you're using binary it's 0000, 0001, 0010, 0011

Did you grow up under power lines??
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#170767 - 12/20/05 06:56 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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Duckie,

I did not see spelling and grammar listed on your resume. I know however that if you where the official PP S&G Mommy that you would have gone back an corrected your own typos and misspellings of the last two days. Otherwise it would mean that you concede the point and are just looking to salvage something.
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#170769 - 12/20/05 07:05 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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No, just want to make sure you don't mislead too many people with your stupidity, at the end of the day I'm just much smarter than you, that's all.

I do not concede the point, you have not shown me anything on this subject that says a president can SPY on AMERICAN CITIZENS without ever obtaining a WARRANT. In fact, I have taken your own posts and illustrated where your argument is flawed.

Since FISA requires a warrant within 72 hours (which Bush did not get) and Clinton was spying on Foreign Embassies to gather intelligence on foreign threats, your argument holds as much water as a sieve. Show me a president in the last 50 years that has spied on American Citizens, without a warrant beides Richard Nixon.

Go ahead, go do your google search and get back to me.
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#170770 - 12/20/05 07:14 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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I have to go and pick up some supplies for this weeks fishing adventures, I'm sure I won't be back before your significant other comes home and locks you back up in your cage. So you probably won't see my response to your BS until tomorrow.
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#170771 - 12/20/05 07:19 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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AT the end of the day you have a couple of "DITTO HEADS" keeping 8 or 10 "liberals" tied up with thier double speak and talking points. Why do you let them do it?
Never argue with an idoit. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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#170772 - 12/20/05 07:23 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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I'm just enjoying myself bashing queenie while I have a little time off during the holidays, once the rivers clear up I'll be out on the OP hookin' brats.

Wee todd is fodder for any one that went higher than the 4th grade in school, so yeah, it's like beating up a retard, but he's got it coming.
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#170774 - 12/20/05 07:34 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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"Show me a president in the last 50 years that has spied on American Citizens, without a warrant "

Bill Clinton. Re the first trade center bombing. Clinto ordered spying on the Blind Shiek and other terrorists. Karl Levin refused to answer questions about it citing national security. You will hear more about it in the coming weeks.

Hows that for you Duckie.

Much ado about nothing except politics. The left lost the last two elections and they cannot deal with it. They have and will try everything in their power to tear down GW. It will cost them in the end.
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#170775 - 12/20/05 07:38 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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KK.

"There is no justification for not going to the FISA court. None" Article II of the US constitution.

More lies and misdirection going nowhere KK just like Delay and Libby/Rove.

What happend to your grand pronouncement that this was beneath you and you had no time?

Why not just check out?
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#170776 - 12/20/05 07:42 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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And BTW KK if you had a pair on the matter on the matter you would be like a few other mental patients out there today yelling impeachment. Thius will be off the life after radar faster than Delay, libby, Rove, Abu Grahib and on and on and on.
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#170778 - 12/20/05 07:48 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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And thirdly.

Lets just supose for a second that in one of the intelligence gathering efforts that something is uncovered that show a direct action against us is imminent. As president do lawyer up and fill out the FISA paperwork and wait or do you take action. I am not clear on what is constitutional. I do know that if it did happen 14 senators( liberal of course) would scream bloody murder about abuse of civil liberties.
the same senators who have tried over and over to take GW to task over the failure to recognize the pre 9-11 intelligence through all of the the legal roadblocks. They want him to go out and shovel tomorrows snow today and when he does not he is a liar and a criminal. They should be locked up and shot.
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#170782 - 12/20/05 08:24 PM Re: Bush calls leaking shamefull
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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rofl

Oh, man. TK, you're getting b!tch-slapped like a girl here. Getting called on your bullshiat, and spinning like a worm-infested dog trying to chew its ass. rofl

Classic.
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