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#172217 - 01/26/06 12:14 PM More on Bush Salmon Plan
Dave Vedder Offline
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#172219 - 01/26/06 03:00 PM Re: More on Bush Salmon Plan
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Registered: 10/19/05
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Has anyone watched this episode? I thought it was pretty informative the first time I viewed it, but Alan and his team didn't really draw any conclusions other than; the fish are declining rapidly and that there are many factors that contribute to the declining numbers.
He does a good job, however, of exploring how modern science is trying to at least get an understanding of how to best deal with it.

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1306/index.html
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#172220 - 01/26/06 07:20 PM Re: More on Bush Salmon Plan
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Is it bad for the fish or bad for the fisherman?
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#172221 - 01/26/06 08:22 PM Re: More on Bush Salmon Plan
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It is bad for the fishermen.

It's not that it's bad for wild fish. The problem is that closing hatcheries and fisheries won't recover wild fish. Wild fish recovery requires a very significant reduction in hydro system mortality. Although mentioned in Connaughton's speech, no specific action is prescribed for the number one factor relating to fish recovery in the Columbia.

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#172223 - 01/26/06 11:58 PM Re: More on Bush Salmon Plan
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The bushinator wants to keep the dams... at the cost of everything else.

End of story.
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#172224 - 01/27/06 06:57 AM Re: More on Bush Salmon Plan
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Quote:
The message that fishing needs to be reduced and hatcheries scrutinized, "that's something Washington Trout has been saying for a long, long time," said Ramon Vanden Brulle, a spokesman for the non-profit group.



Washington Trout and three other conservation groups filed a notice of intent on Wednesday to sue the federal government for failing to set catch limits for Puget Sound salmon at levels allowing for recovery.
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#172225 - 01/27/06 10:07 AM Re: More on Bush Salmon Plan
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So what.. by the time any of this comes to anything Bush will not be the prez anymore. He has been in office 6 years now and not one thing has changed good or bad as far as fish goes. I expect that to stay the same through the next few administrations regardless of who they might be. Someone will make a statement, then another group will sue them, there will be a study, then a follow up study. A judge will make a ruling and somebody will sue him. After that there will be a conference or maybe a "summit" and more ideas and rulings followed by more law suites. A vast sweeping policy will be instated and a huge swarm of law suites will beat it down. BPA will get their power, the tribes will abuse their treaty rights, and you and I will go fishing.

Along the way, I'll push for WSR and anything else that is actually possible to help out the fish. If it was all C&R for everything all the time I would still go fishing.
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#172227 - 01/27/06 10:47 AM Re: More on Bush Salmon Plan
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Carefull.. somebody will sue you for saying that, and you will file a counter suite et al etc.. laugh
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#172229 - 01/27/06 12:57 PM Re: More on Bush Salmon Plan
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Seeing that the majority of the public does not fish but uses hydro electric power any politician is going to have trouble fowarding a plan to tear down the dams. Demand and Supply.

Sportman always seem to forget that the non using public and the fnece sitters control their fate we do not.
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#172231 - 01/27/06 02:35 PM Re: More on Bush Salmon Plan
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#172232 - 01/27/06 04:39 PM Re: More on Bush Salmon Plan
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looks like the citizens of the US have chosen electricty over fish.
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