Good Lord! What will the wingnuts fret about next? Maybe they will want to fire all the male teachers who have a high pitched voice and "non-masculine" features! :rolleyes:

Did you 'enlightened' guys ever have any male influences in your lives in your formative years other than Phil Donahue?

What a bunch of S.N.A.G.'s )


If you want your children to be taught and influenced by Mr/Mrs (? ) McBeth http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/sex-change-teacher-back/2006/03/01/1141095772975.html and think that will be beneficial to them, then you should support School Vouchers so you can use the tax dollars you already pay to specifically send your kids to a special school chock full of mentally ill teachers who've mutilated themselves by having the addadictomy or chopadicfrom-me surgury.

Let me know how that works out.

Someone is preoccupied with sex changes. Hmmm...

Rory thinks teachers teach with their genitals.

Maybe his teachers did.

Please demonstrate to us Rory how having a teacher like the one in the article is going to harm anyone's child? It will confuse them right? They might question their own anatomy and some day may even wish to follow in said teacher's footsteps right? Didn't you know that the transgenders have started a recruiting drive! Some Liberal Dr's are even offering discounts for sex changes if you recruit enough new members!

Perhaps parents are afraid to have discussions about the realities of life and would rather choose to avoid such "controversial" topics or even better have someone else teach em!

You really are as dumb as everyone thinks you are!

Maybe someday you will be able to stand upright!

"Did you 'enlightened' guys ever have any male influences in your lives in your formative years other than Phil Donahue?"

My Dad is now and always has been one of the most stand up guys I know. As a WW2 Marine, ex-logger, self-employed self-made millionare, he taught us to not be judgmental unless the person proves otherwise. He's been on his own since he was 13 yrs. old and at the age of 83, he's as accepting or more so then he ever was. All 8 of us kids feel very fortunate to have him as a father. Too bad you obviously didn't have a real man with big heart when you were growing up, Rory.
Maybe then you would not be the misguided, judgmental, bitter person that you present yourself to be on this forum.

If you guys want your kids taught by this person http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/sex-change-teacher-back/2006/03/01/1141095772975.html go right ahead--I'm sure that would make you seem very 'enlightened' in some small circles of Fremont and San Francisco--But the reality is that given a choice most people in this country would not choose to send their kids to his/it's(?) class . That's the problem with the current state of public education--there is very little choice for parents in how their tax dollars are spent to educate their children if they're enrolled in public schools.

That was the theme of this thread--just teach--don't indoctrinate!

If you guys are really pro choice, do you support school vouchers so parents have some choice in how their children are taught?

Chuck E, Nice try dude. Most of us have just given up.

We learned a long time ago, Rory's fear and hatred can't be reasoned with.

Oh Krusty's just bitter 'cause he can't have kids of his own and his father-figure is a founding member of NAMBIE or NAMBOO or NAMBLER or whatever he keeps referencing about boys and men doing stuff together.

Civility I cannot ignore Lupo. I suspect that I can discuss the history of Cuba as well as you. I spent 2 years in Japan, 6 mo in Korea and 6 months in Indo-China with side trips to the Philippines, Hong kong as a free port and assorted and sundry other R&R resorts thanks to Uncle. The fact that I have been there does not make me an expert on any of those cultures. Even tho' I have read not a little about Asia.
I also suspect that if you could interrogate the victims of Fidel and Che' you would find that they would have diffuculties in seeing them as other than murderous tyranical Marxists. Fidel had a law education. I can understand his abberations. Che' a medical degree, he and Joseph Mengele would and could have been soul mates

How in the world can you compare someone you have admitted knowing nothing about to anyone let alone Joseph Mengele?

"if you could interrogate the victims of Fidel and Che' you would find that they would have diffuculties in seeing them as other than murderous tyranical Marxists."

I wonder what the innocent victims in Iraq would say if you could interrogate them about their thoughts on Bush. I wonder if they would have difficulties seeing him as a "liberator" or just the dumbass the rest of us know him to be?

Piece of cake Wailuku. I see the libs comparing Bush to Hitler all the time, ala the latest flap in the Colorado school system. Mengele and Che' are at least as good a match as Bush and Schickelgruber, the paper hanger. Che' and company are as good examples of monsters in human guise as you can find. Right up there with Timur the Lame.

"I see the libs comparing Bush to Hitler all the time, ala the latest flap in the Colorado school system"

So all the time in your mind is one professor using his free speach to offer his opinion as a scholar! That qualifies in your mind as "all the time"! Imagine if there were TWO professors that thought that way! oooooooooooooooooooo scary!

"Mengele and Che' are at least as good a match as Bush and Schickelgruber"

Are you trying to tell us you know nothing about Mengele? I mean the only way you can make that comparison admitting you know nothing about Che is to admit you know nothing about Mengele?!

That's some messed up logic?

Is that an example of your circular logic Wailuku? If there only two making that comparision it would be a pleasant surprise. Not a week goes by that some explosive gas threaded screwball doesn't blather that Bush/Hitler routine the the waiting media. By the way, nothing is free, not even the speech of some of our nitwits in academia. Someone has paid the price for their oral irresponsibility. Ours too.
I'm not trying to tell you anything beyond your comprehension. I'm just voicing my opinion. You can put it wherever it pleases you.

There isn't a week that goes by? Whatever, maybe inside your own head!

I wouldn't say my logic is circular. I would say your's words speak for themselves.

I dont get the big argument here. Isnt it the teachers job to give kids the information and skills they need to form ther own opinions? When did schools turn into political recruitment centers? Why are there teachers now giving one sided lectures. Why are there some communist teaching in our universities? Why are the kids failing in our schools compared to other countries? I cant believe how long this thread has gone on.

Last time I checked it is not against the law to be a communist! Why shouldn't there be communist teachers? If kids are never exposed to what communism is then how are they going to be able to form their own opinion?

"Isnt it the teachers job to give kids the information and skills they need to form ther own opinions?"

Very idealistic! Unfortunately today the teachers job is to prepare students to take tests so that none of them need to be left behind!

sard- can you provide some similarities between che and mengele? how bout just 3...... mengele was a fascist and che and fidel fought against fascism.... mengele was an imperialist and che fought against imperialism....... che worked in lepper colonys and mengele worked in concentration camps....your histrory is bent to try and meet your warped perspective on the world......

you better suck up to the environmentalists sardonicus because you neo-cons are quickly becoming an endangered speciese

your right- the teachers of the midwest trying to teach creationism are letting the kids think for themselves.....

what the hell is so evil about communism? there are as many ways to go about it as there are way to go about democracy....if it wasnt for the embargo...cubans would have a much much higher standard than the USA....they allready have better literacy rates and home ownership is 100% and they have access to a health care system that is top notch.......it is also the country that provides its black citizens the highest level of equality in the world

Well, most communist countries down allow freedom of religion and usually discourage ANY religion.

Oh wait... that might be a good thing.

Thats because there is no country that really is a communist state. It always manages to be come some form of dictatorship.

Communisim could be looked at as a lack of government. Like that will ever happen.