Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rummy and Limbaugh
In correlating order:
Accidental murderer of over 2,000 Americans and 250,000 Iraqis, worlds biggest thief, master scammer, idiot, and GOP spin KING.

Neo-Cons and Evangelists are just plain stupid for blindly following these wolves in sheep's clothing. The whole GOP are in on the take.

If you only read one religious book you've only read one of many strong self propagating stories.

IT'S ALL ABOUT OIL & MONEY!
9/11 was no excuse to do what the GOP has done.
The present GOP will go down in history as the most corrupt government America ever had.

I concur 100%!

What do you mean Accidental Murder. That **** was premeditated.

Aggravated murder, sure.

good to know that we have a "good one" in ohio...... i cant wait till november to see the republicans get traunced but i am very interested in what the republican sept/oct suprise will be to try and drive people to vote for them......either cheney steps down or rummy steps down or we nuke iran.....

we need a bi-partisan and military general arrest committee to go in and arrest the entire admin and go thru every single piece of paper before they cover more of it up.....

It's going to take a long time to cleen up this mess with the judicial system filling with GOP's boys. The GOP have lots of money - heck they raised the national debt limit twice just to fill their pockets. It was so simple the first time so did it twice. All in the name of 911 is quite insane. Well they also used the homophobe, and baby killer thing to get the stupid voters.

I would like to see FOX channel just once show a soldier that was blown to pieces instead of the irrelavent crap they run.

I say protect our soldiers by bringing them home NOW. This is not war it's GREED. Everyday Dick and Hellburden make $$$$$$$$ and hand us the bill. Oh it's going to be long hard war but the enemy is here.

Topic: GOP Heroes

Dang, I thought this was going to be on one of them "shortest books" or "thinnest books" lists that can be pretty funny.

My latest reading was "The Singularity is Near"
By Ray Rerzweil

I hope he's right in his predictions.

OK ILL VOTE DEMO IF THEY STOP KILLING BABIES ITS THAT SIMPLE...THEY WANT MY VOTE?????? OR MAYBE WE SHOULD KILL OLD PEOPLE. HANDYCAPED PEOPLE , CHRISTIANS ,REP OR PEOPLE WHO GET IN OUR WAY ON THE FREE WAY, BURN BOOKS , KILL THE SICK, FAT,& SKINNY PEOPLE HAY WHY WHY DONT WE KILL ALL OF US

No-Body is for Killing Babies. There are better ways to reduce the nuber of abortions then passing laws. Labeling democrats or Liberals or anyone as "baby killers" is just stupid.
The GOP is retaining power through fear of terrorist, baby killers and homophobics and it works well on the uneducated. Fact is - you either fall in this catagory or you are in on the take.

"OK ILL VOTE DEMO IF THEY STOP KILLING BABIES"

It's been my experience that, people who believe dems are just itchin' to kill babies, somehow justify the death penalty... curious.

I guess it would take quite an education to get a red-blooded American man to side with the movie stars, faags, dopers, illegal aliens, professional welfare abusers, animal rights extremists, and gun grabbers............sorry if I left anyone out !

Probably hard to tell the difference between an innocent unborn child and a serial rapist/murderer without the basic common sense to be conservative in the first place.......

What about Illinois placing a moratorium on all executions after finding that DNA evidence proved soon to be dead inmates had to be exonerated based on DNA evidence? I guess the justice system can't tell a serial rapist either. I think it is a much better punishment to let that person sit in solitary confinement for the remainder of their years. Even if it costs us money, killing them is giving them an out of the true punishment they deserve.

Life is life. Let's not abort the children, so we can let them grow up and kill them in the electric chair later, f****** ludicris.

BTW, your rants ("movie stars, faags, dopers, illegal aliens") are a great indicator that you must be a part of that bottom third that still thinks the neo-cons are a great bunch of guys.

I do not think they are a great bunch of guys, and even though in reality having Kerry in The Office probably wouldn't change a darn thing, I still find a lot of problems with the bunch he seems to attract..............


I agree with you that life in solitary would be the best ultimate punishment that can be delivered by man; I made the above comparison to make a point.................

See, now you're just talking out your ass.

That is the appropriate orfice when discussing politics...

Classy post there, Oregonian.

I believe Bobber Dude has had a personality destroying episode. He is too far into his invention to see the world as it is, rather than what his nightmares portray.
Lupo, the South of the Border, methodology of changing governments has not taken hold here yet. It may. And if it does, I'd bet you wouldn't like it. A grumble would get you shot.
Che' taught that didn't he?

Dan S.
Make up your mind, do you want to discuss things like a smartass, or do you want to talk like big boys...

I'll admit that sometimes I come in a little hot, what do you expect from a guy with nothing better to do than get online and speak to the world's troubles ?

Either way is fine with me.

But drop the epithets if you want to talk like a big boy.

And I understand your situation. I haven't fished in weeks and I'm getting all pissy about it.

I'll have to dig out the dictionary, but let me guess..........faags must be a/an epithet ?


I'm stuck in the time when faags could be what they are, but didn't brag about it and demand special consideration.

Hell I grew up in a time when ***gots were sticks of wood you threw in the fireplace. Look it up in the dictionary.
btw the edit was done by the server program that does not have a dictionary. Just unthinking coded instructions.

Why is wanting to be seen for what you are bragging? Why is having the same social considerations as others construed as wanting special considerations?

How has it changed or even impacted your life?

It hasn't!!!!

When they want to change the definition of marriage after 2000+ years of civilization so they can benefit financially, "they" become a burden on the rest of the population............

"They" also impact my life by flaunting their "lifestyle" anywhere they can get some attention, and I am left to explain "them" to my kids.........

Why should "they" be treated the "same" when they go out of their way to be "different" ?

It goes both ways. I have to explain people like you to my daughter.I am happy to explain loving long term relationships to her regardless who is involved.
On another note. Marriage has continually changed over 2000 years. Marriage for loves sake is a relatively new concept. You really don't have history on your side there with regards to marriage being a static institution.
Also, marriage as a legal institution is far different from religious marriage. My personal marriage is not a religious one. Equal rights needs to be given for legal marriages. Churches can do whatever they want. Government should not dictate who you can marry. I thought conservatives favored small government.
9-3 Sox,
cds

The small government I favor would not take the time to hear the first word from anyone wanting to change things as simple as a man marrying a woman, much drama could easily be avoided by ignoring people with nothing better to do than pretend that boys and girls are interchangable....

Small government when you like it, and large intrusive government when you like it? The is kind of Flip Floppy, isn't it?
BTW- Most of the recent marriage amendments that were on the ballots in 2004 were made to just now define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Traditionally, it was not stated in law (hence the lawsuits that have gone to state supreme courts). Social pressure was used to surpress gay marriage more than anything legal.
America is great because of it's constant revolutionary nature. Change and new thought is the norm. God bless America continuing it's movement forward.
Sox win,
cds

Traditionally common sense played a much larger part in society..............

Yeah, like the witch hunts and crusades and blood lettings to let the humors balance to overcome illness, flat world, earth the center of the universe. They had it all figured out didn't they?

No it didn't. It never did.

The difference was, you didn't hear about it in your corner of the world back then. No TV news, no internet, etc.

Common sense has never been very common.

None of that is as far fetched as two men marrying each other.......

uhhh....yeah...drilling a hole in your temple to allow the demons to escape that are causing that migrane is much more reasonable than allowing two men that you've never met live in marriage. Glad you're not our Surgeon General.

There is only one sin that GOD cant forgive.......and that is rejecting Jesus His Son

There is only one sin that GOD cant forgive.......and that is rejecting Jesus His Son

I don't care how any two men live, why are they drawing all this attention to themselves if they just want to be left alone anyway ?

Because they want the same benefits as other married people, like health coverage.

Really ?
I thought they were getting "married" because they are madly in love......

If that's all they want, then they can go to the health coverage store and buy it like I do.

If there employer/insurer doesn't want to include Adam & Adam policies, why should I want to force them ?

How do you explain it to your children?

What is so horrifying and traumatic in having to explain homosexuality to your kids? Get real, such a burden them gays always flaunting their stuff!

does your health care cover your spouse??

Each member of my family can be covered if I choose to pay........nothing too tricky there, more people should try paying their own way in life.

At the same rate as yours, or at a discount as part of a Family package??

I personally believe healthcare should be a part of the commons. It should be a right.

I would like to see ideas on single provider healthcare systems. I've yet to hear or see any serious comprehensive proposals.

Wailuku, I completely agree. I just wish I had an answer as to how to beat that huge pharmeceutical lobby.

Who is going to pay the doctors, nurses, and administrators when medical care becomes a "right" ?

you are, out of your taxes.

That will only take place when we can remove the money and special interests from our government. Don't hold your breath!

As long as the American people fall for the tactics being used then they will only remain ideas. The real issues drown in the morass of American politics.

I see alot of states bringing up the issue of health care for all, and from what I hear, the money our federal government spends in health care bureaucracy would actually cover all non-insured individuals. Just seems heinous. We could take the money out of their incompetent hands and actually provide a single-payer health care system for Americans.

Ah, I see now, those who work and earn money get to pay the bills, but everyone gets to play......okay, so what is the downside of taking the free ride and not working ?

Hey dip sh**, do you ever plan on retiring, or are you going to work until the day you die?? Just curious. I hope you remeber all this crap you're spewing when my social security dollars are paying a CPN to wipe your wrinkled ass.

Yeah free ride. I'm just yearning to move to slums and live the good life! When was the last time you saw people wearing poverty or bust shirts?? When was the last time you spent any time around people that are dirt poor?

Poverty or bust t-shirts, that made me laugh out loud.

Single payer system, think of it as medi-care for everyone, think of the billions of dollars that would free up from corporations to pay a better wage. Think of the grandmothers that don't have to choose between food, heat or heart medicine. America ranks pretty low in health care for it's citizens for a first world nation.

I have family members who would definately fit the "dirt poor" label, and extremly bad decisions back, to back, to back, to back... ensure their lazy ass isn't going very far, and I have done plenty in the way of advise and opening doors, etc.......too bad they had kids.

I do not make a huge amount of money either by the way, but I get by without Uncle Sugars help. Nothing that I do is beyond anybody with ambition.

You mean like the ambitious young man who just came back from Iraq with no legs?

:rolleyes:

Or the 17 year old girl who ran away from home to keep from being beaten by her drunken father?

Those people don't exist in O's world, and if they do then, it's their own fault and they should have planned better and had a richer family.

On a fundamental level I want to agree with Oregonian on the idea that everyone should be able to take care of themselves. I could agree IF, all things were equal! If everyone had the same opportunities in life that I had, were faced with the same set of advantages and disadvantages I had. Then I could agree.

The fact of the matter is, that is not the case! I recognize there are times in peoples lives where they need help and they do not have friends and family to turn to. I could say tough luck and turn the other way, but I believe that we will better ourselves and society by helping.

To me the challenge isn't about should we help it is about how do we help? How do we prevent people from perpetuating poverty from one generation to the next? Isn't that where discussions really ought to be focused? Again it is where the Republican party fails on a fundamental level for me. In my mind you cannot hold the bible in such high regard and turn your backs on those that need help! It is hypocracy in it's worst form!

Getting down off soapbox now...

Our health care system is exeptionally inefficient. We pay more per capita than most industrialized nations and get less.
But That isn't O's point, as I see it. O just wants to make sure the government judges gays, and makes sure that the government determines who can get married. I am thankful, that as strongly as I feel about my political beliefs they don't make me hate. They are based on inclusion of the benefits of society not exclusion.
There is NOT a limited amount of happiness in the world; where someone else's happiness detracts from yours. That is what I teach my child. Yankee fans included- that's how strong I feel about that statement.
We're coming for you Jeter,
cds

Help away ! I know I do, but it isn't a job for the government........

Do you think stopping the government from taking money from us to supposedly give to the needy, in any way prevents us from helping the needy on our own ?

You guys are putting words in my mouth to try and find a way to disagree with the simple logic I spoke, I must say that kind of behavior is very telling, and takes a lot away from the discussion.

eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww the Yankees. Almost the only form of hatred perpetuation I believe in them and Arsenal...

That is where we must differ Oregonian. I believe it IS in societies best interest as well as the individual!

you only it see it as benefitting the individual, if they choose to participate...

"Do you think stopping the government from taking money from us to supposedly give to the needy, in any way prevents us from helping the needy on our own ? "

Let's go into a common story in today's America. Say your father gets cancer from working in asbestos trying to provide for you. He has some health care, but cannot afford great health care. You want to alleviate his pain and suffering. He is going to need surgeries and and chemo, he is going to require regular medicines and a nurses care. Because of the type of health care he has, the insurance provider is only willing to pay for 80% of the costs and it caps at 80,000 annualy. The cost of his treatment will cost well over 200,000 to keep him alive. Do you or he have the extra 130,000 cash to cover it or do you say no free rides and let him die?

Universal halth care paid for us is for us. Our present system takes more that most unversal systems and gives less. It's a question of efficiency.
It is related to gay marriage because if the government did not decide who you could marry, more people could be covered through the current employment based health care system. More people being covered is more efficent generally due to access to preventative care. We all win in the end because the hopital doesn't have to pay for emergency care or laywers to recover fees from the uninsured.
Seriously, step out of the coservative frames that you've been fed and look at how these issues interface. The answers become obvious. What was it Robertson boy said judgr not lest.....
A pretty cool dude indeed.
Throwing strikes early and often,
cds

Communist!!!

I say he hawks his home that he paid for with 40 years of breathing asbestos and move in with me if necessary, at the end of that, will do what is necessary.........we all die sometime. I don't know how medical expenses can get so unreasonably high, but that is another topic right there.