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#174747 - 05/16/06 07:53 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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I can't tell you how many towns in the Southeast have become 50% Mexican in the last ten years. Some of them were fairly large towns. Entire strips of road around Atlanta are Mexican-- signs in Spanish, everything becoming bilingual. The carpet mills get cheap labor, eveyone else gets to pay for more schools. One company is being investigated for recruiting illegals form Texas to come work to keep labor down. A possible RICO case may be brought froward. It is a complete mess in some places. The marches recently have pissed a lot of people off. People who have worked in roofing, painting and house framing are being put out of business due to price. Other trades will follow in the next ten years. Just think, in another ten years, Seattle, Puyallup, Renton, etc will be 50% Mexican. Get ready --you can put a Starbucks store in Spanish since you all are nice liberal and welcoming people. Enjoy it ---

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#174748 - 05/16/06 08:33 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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So now it's the liberal's fault that corporations are breaking the law by hiring illegal immigrants for cheap labor?? Most liberals have been branded anti-business and socialists because they want to hold the corporations accountable, which will raise wages in the long run and further stimulate the economy. So now they're damned for wanting to do something about the illegal immigration problem and they're damned for wanting to provide a living wage for their fellow Americans. :rolleyes:

Sounds like the GOP has become the party of whiners and scapegoaters. The party of no-accountability.
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#174749 - 05/16/06 09:26 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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#174750 - 05/17/06 04:29 AM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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Why is it that some people can not see the fact that higher wages for workers equals higher cost of production, and therefore higher priced goods ?

People who are not skilled enough to be worth high pay should not get it, how else will you motivate the skilled people to perform their best if they are held down to similar pay as unskilled people ?

Have you heard of the U.S.S.R. ?

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#174751 - 05/17/06 05:16 AM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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I think paying higher prices in our current "have to have it NOW" society isn't a bad thing at all. I'm tired of the "I want it yesterday" mentality. Let em work hard and save like we did.

Crap is too cheap as it is.

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#174752 - 05/17/06 10:53 AM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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If it fell on a Sunday, Catholic Churches in the southwestern states might have 20-percent fewer parishioners
Well thank goodness for that, I am fed up to my ears with religion lately.
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#174753 - 05/17/06 11:27 AM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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AuntyM,

That's because "crap" is made in China and shipped over here for you.......AND most of it is in a landfill in less than one year !

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#174754 - 05/17/06 01:13 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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Oregonian, I'll forgive you for the slip, but I don't "buy" much chinese stuff. I like one of a kind, hand made "crap" that is made by friends, family, the hubby or myself. ;\)

Yeah, I knit, sew, crochet, cook, make jewlery, do woodworking etc... A real Martha Stewart type. \:D

http://www.mschaefer.homestead.com/Woodworking.html

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#174755 - 05/17/06 01:20 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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Heh, Now go try to buy normal consumable goods made in the USA.......

Oh almost forgot, that looks like some real nice stuff you guys make, but you're still better than Martha.

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#174756 - 05/17/06 01:31 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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Actually, since I shop on base a lot, I have no trouble finding stuff made in USA or anywhere else.

I also catalog shop and many do a good job of listing where things are made.

What I object to most is foreign grown food that isn't labeled as such. I like to hit Tacoma Boys (giant fruit stand) and get fresh stuff grown here and can or freeze it myself. They have the best corn you can get in WA. I think? Incredible corn, secret peas, cadillac peaches... all their own patented varieties grown locally.

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#174757 - 05/17/06 01:34 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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Why is it that some people can not see the fact that higher wages for workers equals higher cost of production, and therefore higher priced goods ?
That's exactly why I think someone running a chainsaw should never get more than minimum wage. Hell, anybody can run a chainsaw, doesn't take any skill. Just think how much cheaper lumber would be. Houses cheaper. Of course Mr. Weyerhauser wouldn't take a payraise just because he paid the loggers less and had more money left over. Noooo, he'd naturally cut the cost of his lumber and plywood.... wouldn't he? :rolleyes:
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#174758 - 05/17/06 01:52 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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Ouch. \:D

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#174759 - 05/17/06 03:35 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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goharley;

The only reason I run a chainsaw is because timberfalling pays me nearly $100/hr and I still have the freedom to set my own hours.......

I can work 50 days in a row and take 20 off if I want, I can work 2 or 3 hours and go home if I want, as a bonus I don't have to work with a bunch of whining pussies because they would have never made it through the first week......but I can get online and discuss current events with them anytime.
\:D

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#174760 - 05/17/06 04:20 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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AND, I can hire other timberfallers for $50-$60/hr when I get too busy, then I make almost as much as you smart/educated people who use all their fingers when they type.
;\)

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#174761 - 05/17/06 06:23 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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as a bonus I don't have to work with a bunch of whining pussies because they would have never made it through the first week......
Tough guy huh? I guess you haven't looked around at all the bad backs, torn up knees etc... being sported by all the "EX" loggers like our Timber who posts here. Fortunately, he never met with a life threatening accident and now supports his wife and kids on an engineers salary.

If you've been doing it any length of time, you're in pain on a regular basis. There are better ways to make a buck without putting your body through that.

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#174762 - 05/17/06 06:45 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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"Better" is subjective.......

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#174763 - 05/17/06 07:37 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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Yeah, but a body wrecked from over use and abuse, isn't.

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#174764 - 05/17/06 08:03 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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Registered: 03/07/06
Posts: 2237
Loc: Bellevue/Whidbey Island
Get rid of them for god's sake

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#174765 - 05/17/06 08:42 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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#174766 - 05/17/06 09:38 PM Re: A Few Facts On Illegals
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First we have:
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People who are not skilled enough to be worth high pay should not get it, how else will you motivate the skilled people to perform their best if they are held down to similar pay as unskilled people ?
And then it goes on to say:
Quote:
The only reason I run a chainsaw is because timberfalling pays me nearly $100/hr
Seems we have a problem, Houston...
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"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt." --McCain to his wife, Cindy, as reported in the book The Real McCain

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