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What a crock!

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Wait a minute. I thought all the neocons have been blaming the enviro-nazis for not being able to build more refineries to refine the oil we have. And it's common knowledge that oil wells in Montana have been capped because we don't have enough refining capability.

So what good is drilling in the ANWAR for oil we don't have the capacity to refine? To make Ted Stevens and his constituents richer? Provide more oil for Exxon to sell on the world market to increase their profits?

It doesn't do a damn thing for citizen Joe the gas consumer.

There is zero downside to drilling the rest of the North Slope, we aught to get that oil to market while the gettings good...


One day we'll be living large on Nuclear energy and laughing about those ragheads and their oil reserves........

Well, at least you're not cut-n-pastin', I'll give ya that. But, dude, you and Krusty are like so.... It's just amazing. If Elvis and Krusty had kids, you'd be the pick of the litter.

Please tell me it's all really just satire. Please?

Now that's funny right there... I don't care who ya are!

Can I assume that you good men are somewhat shy about sucking the oil out of the ground and getting some good out of while it's still popular ?

That oil in the ANWR is property of the American People. Its just like a Repugnican to want to hand it over on a silver platter to a bunch of billionaires.

So what would a typical democrat do, hand it over to a bunch of inner-city crackheads ?


Who decided that I am a republican anyway ?

I will admit that I find W more suited to his job than John Kerry, but that's not really a big compliment now is it............

I would vote for Teddy Roosevelt in a light second, hell I'd campaign for him !

oregonian-if you voted for bush...its your fault, you need to work with your party to solve it...... and if you dont. YOUR TO BLAME AND SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.....

we dont need new oil refinery technology-just pull the charters and let the people take control of the refineries......no one even needs to lose their job except the board of directors and ceo's but they are not the ones who know how to run the plants anyway.......
nationalization would benefit the people hugely here but americans are too worried about being calle a "socialist" so they are more willing to see the american economy go bye bye

That $100 rebate reminds me of when the settlers offered the Indians $100 worth of beads, and small Pox blankets, in exchange for what then would have been the equivalent of numerous ANWR's (America), and were forced to take it.

With the added inflation over the centuries, the $100 just want get you what it once did.

It's good for the Billionaire's of the Oil industry (EXON,etc.), or politicians getting the huge kick back, but lethal to the environment and we Indians (middle class) and our offspring. I say we reject these token beads and blankets and conserve the last true wilderness area for our future. To be enjoyed by all, and not destroyed for the benefits of such a few.

The $100 per, would be better spent on alternatives, and making changes to the infrastructure (transportation, housing, work and commute issues,etc) in order that we can be more functional and efficient in our daily lives with our energy needs.

All of us Indians, need better or wiser Chiefs in Washington D.C., representing our interest.

Alright, here's a low blow for you....


Your story probably has more power with the liberals who still walk around wrapped in blankets wearing beads......and smoking pot.

Oregonian,

If you'd vote for Teddy Roosevelt in a light second, how on God's green earth could you vote for Bush?

Roosevelt established the national park system. Bush wants to take it apart and let his wealthy friends sell us each an opportunity to use our land a day at a time.

Roosevelt valued public wildlife. Bush is trying to destroy the land that supports it.

If I recall correctly, I think Roosevelt supported anti-trust legislation to better preserve capitalism. Bush supports concentrating wealth in the hands of his "have-mores" friends.

How about this: maybe Congress should use the anti-trust act to divide these half dozen oil companies that are using the power of oligopoly to create their wealth, into about two dozen separate oil companies that actually would have to compete with one another for the public's business?

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

As far as voting in the last Presidential election is concerned, I don't think many T.R. fans voted for Kerry either !

OK, how about anti-trust?

What does smoking pot have to do with my post comparing the sacrifice of our natural resouces in order to make a quick buck and still be left with the problem within a couple of years. I would neveer sell out my grandkids for a $100, which is the equivalent of a couple of beads and maybe one blanket as a comparison to todays values. BTW, the conservative are doing a pretty good job of keeping you content with the few beads you get, in return for the morgaging of the future for our kids to deal with. My kids future is worth more to me that your crisp $100 (beads). You go ahead and take your rebate (beads) and grin if you must, but please don't expect other to settle so cheap.

John Lee Hookum;

Not sure if you read the same thread I did....

I think both parties are acting like complete jackasses with this tax rebate crap, I'd like to see some common sense and responsible financial planning from our government, regargless of which party sits in which chair.

The old story about the mean white guy conquering the nice red guy is really tired with me.....

Oregonian
"Not sure if you read the same thread I did...."

If you had been keeping up, you would realize that the only rebate that is still on the table is the Republican sponsored $100 rebate. Quit trying to pigeon hole me as a Lib, Conservative, Republican or Democrate, because I don't play that stupid game. BTW, you waffle more than the International House of Pan Cakes. Are the Republicans who are now in control of the government, the Jackass's you are referring to, without common sense, or a responsible financial plan? Neither John Kerry nor Teddy Rosevelt is our president now, so let stay in reality and place the blam exactly where it needs to be placed, and that's with a Republican President and Republican Congress. I have my problems with some Democrates as well, but Republicans are in charge now. HELLO!

Since you didn't get the anology about the beads, blanket and $100 rebate, I apologize, as it was obviously way over your head.

At the risk of causing a tsunami I will state my opinion that I hope the sensible ones in Congress manage to keep the developers out of the ANWR and the loggers from destroying the Tongass. I know some here make their living from the forests. And I hope that stays viable. However, there are those that would take down every old growth tree for the dollars. Hurwitz, the corporate raider that owns Pacific Lumber did his damndest to convert every tree under his control to lumber dollars. He is one of the hit and run rapists in the corporate world. In so far as I can tell the man has no conscience. We must never let his kind be responsible for our natural resource and wild places legacy.
AND don't sell public land to private individuals or companies.
I'll gladly pay the price of transportation and energy if we can actually find some viable alternatives to fossil fuels. There are alternatives, pricey right now, but that can be changed. I'd dearly love to be able to tell Chavez, the Saudis, and the rest of the Middle Eastern oil tycoons to take their oil and shove it.

sardo;

Where do you get your news ?


John Lee Hookum;

I got your bead thing at it's full value, and I savvy the $100 rebate too, prolly better rethink comments about stuff going over my head or I might get down on your level...

sard- i totally agree.....

except for including chavez in the list as you know i dont dislike chavez...

Solid stuff from sardo.

I don't know if the rest of you have ever seen the Tongass, or even a map of it, but I have spent quite a bit of time in it, and on private land inholdings there....

I guess it is called multi-use when parts of a large parcel are managed for different purposes...there are tree farms in the Tongass, as well as Wilderness Areas. The areas set aside as Wilderness are not under any threat that I know of, and the resource areas are largely quiet with all the Environmental Extremist legal stunts....

Most of the money being made in the region is on private land held by Native corporations, even if they occasionally trade in some of their clear-cut land for virgin timber stands.....

That's right, you heard me, Liberals like to give the Natives great deals on their "traditional lands", it makes them feel better about the bad white guys conquering the nice red guys back in the day............and it keeps the bad loggers from cutting down the trees, er...oops, no it doesn't, all the Natives do is clear-cut every tree they can get to, far worse at forest management than the USFS ever was !

Oragonian said
"The old story about the mean white guy conquering the nice red guy is really tired with me....."


Oregonian, I'm courious as to the type of cars you prefer driving? And, are you currently serving, or intend to volunteer, for combat and go to the middle East for a tour? To act as the gun slinging cowboy, conquering the olive skin Arabs for their oil, just like in the good ole days of cowboys and Indians, is a foolish rationale, if you ask me. The difference today is that the nice Red Guys that used arrows, those weapons have been replaced with suicide bombers, A-bombs and guns, and the mean white guys (as you put it) uses guns and A-bombs. Same senario, but different weapons. We still have more of the supreme weapon (A-B), but they have that deceptive suicide weapon, which we don't. It's their version of the smart bomb. Unless you are willing to be a suicide bomber for Exon, you don't have the equal commitment to win in the Oil Wars.

If they were over here bombing and shooting my family, I would personally strap on a bomb and blast as many of them as I could. Defense of family and friends is a powerful force.

Again, since in you book, the aggressive behavior of taking what you want (or conquering as you put it) is a noble and honorable thing, then I would assume that you will volunteer for duty and allow some respite for the soldier that are currently fighting. From what I hear, a lot of our soldiers don't want to be there. Some actually volunteered, thinking that they we fighting because of WMD, or an imminent threat. They have since learned that their sacrifice was for a lie, and that it's is all for the benefit of Exon and Big Oil.

You seem to think it's kool and sanctioned by God, to go into another mans home, while killing and taking what you want. And when one objects or suggests that it's wrong, you consider them tiring and out dated, a liberal and not to be payed any attention. Sounds to me like you have dranked to much Neocon's, G W's Kool Aid.

My guess is that you are a young chicken hawk with lots of humble pie on the menu in your very near future. When we are young and inexperienced, it's a good time to observe others that are older, wiser and more experienced.

Your attitude towards humanity, will result in the nuking of us all. That's right, I included us, because we are not to only ones with guns or bombs. Talk like that is exactly whats motivating many other countries, into producing their own A-bombs. It's the arrogance of our threats of nuking first, if those sovereign nations don't do exactly as we say, handing over any and everything we want, while inslaving their masses and calling it freedom. It is because of our policy and reputation regarding Iraq, that is without a doubt, telling other nations that we feel, that since we have nukes, we can be aggressive and bully those without. If they want lay down and take it, we will nuke em. They now realize only those countries that have the bomb, can deter us from the premptive killing of innocent civilians, and the looting of natural resources, as well destruction of their infrastructure. If they don't have a bomb, then they'd better keep an eye on the skys, because our bombs will be digging craters and killing their baby's, that is if there is loot that can be looted by this regime.

We need to take the lead with example and deplomacy, in our dealings with WMD's, as well as responsible actions regarding our own WMD's. This is needed to in order to prevent the entire planet, from being rendered un-inhabitable, from the radio-activity of the collective, mutually assured, destroyers of all life, the mega ton's of bombs X 100,000. That would screw up the fishing for all us fisherman for sure.

BTW, DU is killing and maiming everyone in the theater's of Afgan and Iraq as I type. We have already nuked them, as well as our own, and the stuff will keep killing for a millenium. It's a war crime or a crime against humanity to pre-emptively nuke innocent people.

Have a bad day John Lee Hookum ? You have a nice signature line, not sure about the rest of your post........

Ain't it the truth !

Yuk Yuk, Oregonian haven't you noticed that some folks on here have the Neo-socialist syndrome? In other words, they have to have some one or some thing to blame for their problems. It MUST BE SOMEONE'S FAULT. Imagine their dilemma without the Bush Administration, or the Criminal Conservatives to blame. Total meltdown wouldn't begin to cover it. Marx, Trotsky and Lenin had the sinister Capitalists for their scapegoats.

Btw: What is a semi-libertarian? I believe it was Sincerely that used the term.

:p I hate to disappoint. Besides it's true.

sardonicus- how does the cold war fit into your "need to blame" theory....didnt we need the socialists as scapegoats to pump up our need for a military industrial complex? ?

Lupo if you gave any credence to the spheres of influence that were created by the signings of the surrenders at the end of WW2 you would not even be talking about 'need to blame' The rolling of the 'Iron Curtain' around the once sovereign nations of Middle and Eastern Europe had nothing to do with a Military/Industrial Complex. It had everything to do with the expansionist aims of Imperial Russia in the guise of a proletariat democracy, Joke Ha Ha. Actually the aims of the International Communist Party as utilized by Lenin's heir, Stalin. Remember the sequence of events: The partition of Berlin and the North Korean drive into South Korea, The Berlin Blockade, Truman had plenty on his plate to deal with and an MIC or any other semblance of a scapegoat was the least of his worries. And then along comes the War Hero, Ike.
Every body liked Ike. Except Kruschev. He said "we will bury you." He was referring to the vile capitalists in America.
I could go on and bore you to tears. Worry about the MIC is a waste of time in my opinion. There are more than enough scapegoats to blame for anything one might cogitate about.

Welcome aboard WholeHopper. Concise and to the point?????no point. Is that a core dump?

core dump

OK that was funny

holehopper only has two posts and allready he has made it clear that he is a jackass.....dont waste any time on him sard.