#175172 - 05/08/06 02:11 AM
Impeachment proceedings
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I've heard and read a few items recently that claim California, Illinois and Vermont are taking action to move forward with impeachment of Georgie boy. Apparently, Congress has re-instated a set of laws laid out by Thomas Jefferson (Jefferson's rule or Jefferson's scarecrow) that allows a state to bring charges of impeachment from their state legislature. There are quite a few Google hits concerning the matter, but they are all very left leaning and hardly unbiased. So, I would like to pose a few questions. Do you support impeachment of Bush if it means that Cheney will inherit the presidency (I know, everyone thinks he's the pres already). California has included Cheney in it's impeachment and if that were to play out, who should then become the president? Do you feel that impeachment is a tool that should definately not be exercised and we should wait till '08 and let the voters decide then??
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#175174 - 05/08/06 07:08 AM
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Three Time Spawner
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Hey ! Maybe Bush-Cheney can just swap seats.............
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#175175 - 05/08/06 10:21 AM
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hell yes. impeach bush.....the job will kill cheney in no time!
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#175177 - 05/08/06 10:41 AM
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I guess I could use a little history lesson here. When Nixson resigned, Agnew was right behind him. Did Agnew have the opportunity to appoint Ford as Vice and then leave office of was Ford appointed by the senate?? I'm pretty sure Ford was then able to appoint Rockefeller, right?
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#175178 - 05/08/06 10:51 AM
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FTP - Agnew had resigned before Nixon, it was something to do with bribe money from New Jersey. So, when Nixon resigned, his sitting VP - Ford - became President.
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#175179 - 05/08/06 10:53 AM
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Thanks, eddie
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#175181 - 05/08/06 02:58 PM
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I don't know if impeachment would serve much purpose, but at the very least bush should be censured. There has to be a precedent set so future presidents know they just can't get away with this kind of crap. Thanks to our current set of congressional leaders, they know they can't have consensual oral sex in the Oval Office. I would think some of the issues today have a higher priority than that, but then I'm not a card-carrying neocon. From what I've heard, the threat of Cheney being president is the only reason bush is still alive.
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#175182 - 05/08/06 03:32 PM
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When the Dems win back the house and hopefully the senate real investigations will be conducted and I think impeachment will be the very least. Personally I believe he should be tried for treason.
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#175184 - 05/08/06 06:23 PM
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Three Time Spawner
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Don't worry about the money AuntyM, it will trickle down just like before..........been prooved.
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#175186 - 05/08/06 06:47 PM
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Three Time Spawner
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Well, I guess we know better than to doubt the experts.......
Exxon will hopefully invest their money in ventures designed to make even more money, which creates jobs, which generates revenue for Uncle Sugar....who doles it out to those who can't or won't work.
More money for Exxon = More money for your socialist programs.
Everybody wins !
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#175188 - 05/08/06 07:36 PM
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Someone needs to brush up on their corporate welfare knowledge before making the statements they have. More revenue for the oil companies = more money for the Government? Only if you mean the Bush family and his cronies. If you are talking about the Government supposedly representing the people then you probably ought to look into how much tax big oil pays vs the handouts it receives.
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#175189 - 05/08/06 08:28 PM
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Three Time Spawner
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If you are saying that todays level of oil consumtion is the maximum we will ever use, then please elaborate...........
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#175190 - 05/08/06 08:43 PM
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Three Time Spawner
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Never mind, my friend GOOGLE showed me........
I think PEAK OIL is a term describing a marketing stradegy, even though I read on the internet that it is an unstopable condition........
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#175192 - 05/08/06 09:08 PM
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Carter claimed that peak oil occured during his administration, I'm not sure that's the case but we did have that nasty oil crisis in the seventies. From what I have read, back then the pumps could only draw so much of the oil from their wells, leaving many gallons in the reserve untouchable. Finally somebody discovered that you could pump water back into these wells and extract more oil out that way, separating the water out once is was it was freed from those pesky wells. Scientists have been able to calculate the amount of oil left in these depleted reserves by the percentage of oil versus water return. All of them agree, we are on short supply. By as sson as 2012, from some sources in the peak oil trade (meaning macro-economics people that study specifically oil as a market) we could be consuming more oil than we are able to produce. This doesn't mean all of the oil will be spent, but at the current rate of consumption, with other markets like India and China ramping up, we do not have the capacity to satisfyh everyone's needs. Hence our excursion in Afghanistan, Iraq, headed to Iran, lookin real mean and giving the ugly eye to Chavez (democratically elected dictator) and are completely embarassed by Brazil and Greenland. Oh, and let's not forget at how pissed we are with China, who brokered a deal behind our backs with Saudis to take 13% more oil from "our" share in trade for arms and technology.
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#175193 - 05/08/06 09:19 PM
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Back to the whole impeachment thing. I realise that impeachment before the dems take control back, unless they fall flat on their face, doesn't seem like much, but I think some people may be afraid that if we wait too long we will have already entered into a war with Iran. This admin is already going through almost the same exact motions that they danced through before we hit Iraq, under the same pretenses and circumstances, batter up, strike two.
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#175194 - 05/08/06 09:19 PM
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I read the definition of Peak Oil, and a nice long article with those details included, I'm saying the whole thing is crap........
They predicted when they would have the oil in the ground all divied up, not when it was running out........
Umbrella salesmen anouncing the sky is falling....except they do have something we want/need.
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#175195 - 05/08/06 09:21 PM
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Oil is finite, your logic is crap.
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#175197 - 05/08/06 09:24 PM
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Again, you need to work on your reading comprehension. I'm guessing English was a more difficult subject for you in school.
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#175199 - 05/08/06 09:31 PM
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Three Time Spawner
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Exxon is the guy who invented the marketing/scare tactic called Peak Oil.........what could be better than making more money and pumping less oil ?
All I have to base the idea of waning supplies on is the word of the guy who makes money when the price goes up, could there be a more suspicious messenger ?
Maybe Walmart will start drilling and bring the price down.
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