Anything goes. Except a critique of anything Islamic.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22515

Are the Dutch bad for kicking her out, or for kicking her out now?

I doubt legal Dutch citizens will get tossed for criticizing Islamic beiefs. If they do, then you'll have something to C-n-P.

No special intent. I thought it an interesting article and if you will an indictment of the Islamic mentality that thinks anyone deserves death if they don't bow down to them and their fanaticism. They do understand killing and I believe many of them deserve a closer look at what reaping the whirlwind means.
Some people would B and moan if they were hung with a golden rope. Dutch just can't find their 'nads in the 21st century.

Sincerely,

US Immigration Policy

Losing 'nads seems very common among elected politicians.

As much as it pains me, I must agree with your last sentence.

dont you think if arnold schwartzenager lied on his application for political assylum, to become a citizen, and it was discovered, that he would be removed from office too??????


what about barahk obama? clinton lied about a bj and ya'all thought that he should be hanged.....why is it that nowadays the republicans want to protect any politician that lies but durring clinton it was the opposite?????

Whose is griping about her being removed from office? It's the death threats and the tits up attitude of the enuchs in the Hague that are the problem in my opinion. Islamonuts complain and the government starts licking sandals.
If you think the issue with billary was just a bj, you are missing something Lupo.

so now you think that it was the dutch that were sending the death threats? maybe you dont rember that there are some wacko muslims out there. remember the cartoon riots, solomon rushdie, sept 11????? or are you saying that because she was critical of islamic culture that she should be held to a different standard when it comes to the law????? have you ever been to holland?

thats the problem with sites like frontpage mag, they have an agenda and cherry pick news to try and support it..... and the gullible lap it up like the devils poodle

I see we have a serious communications problem. I didn't consider the source of the death threats, the Dutch. If you call the Muslim workers in Holland, Dutch. I guess you could explain the problem that way. The threats are from the Islamonuts, Dutch or otherwise. And the Hague is gutless. I hear they are learning to speak Spanish. lol
I wonder, do you read the posts thru the bottom of a Budweiser bottle?

ok ....if its the islamonuts.....why are you blaming the dutch. the fact that she lied on her citizenship forms has nothing to do with her bieng a critic of islam......that is just frontpagemag conflating the two.... where is the connection? should the law be changed for her because she is a critic of islam? of course not, they have nothing to do with each other.......its an article written for the gullible by a source published for the gullible

I think you are trying to find an issue where there is none. If she broke the law she should be treated accordingly, however, it seems the howls of the Islamonuts are the driving force behind her chastizement. The fact that she lied was known and yet the Dutch did nothing until the ******* sons of Abraham started an uproar. You know, the ones that killed Van Gogh last year.
She should get at least the strict hand of justice as administered by the US in illegal immgrant cases. LOL
Gullible, is that the guy that shipwrecked in Lilliput?

give me any evidence of a quid pro quo relationship between her lying on her assylum papers for citizeship..... and her being kicked out for being critical of islam

you guys just make crap up!!!!!!! sard- your about as hard to hook as a black sea bass. if frontpagemag.com is the bait......your biting, no questions asked

Your should recuse your self Lupo. Giving you any kind of evidence is a waste of keyboard time. You just want to make unfounded accusations an sound erudite. If you know what that means, that is. Back to you Bud goggles.
What the hell does " you guys just make crap up!" mean anyway? You sound like a kid, caught by his peers, shoplifting in the candy store. Black Sea Bass? Keericet, here comes the Race Card again. lol

more of the same.....no proof at all so you go on making stuff up.....alot more than just myself, read this thread, give someone some evidence that the two are related...........c'mon spinny......wheres the beef?

I find this tiresome. Have you read the article? I think not based on your posts. Damn near every thing you claim to want is there to be read.
READ THE ARTICLE.

it isnt an article.....its an opinion piece. there are no facts there to prove a quid pro quo relationship between the two......

and here is a line that exposes perfectly the bias im talking about

"Hirsi Ali herself, meanwhile, has announced her intention to come to the United States to work with the American Enterprise Institute."
now we have some insight into the kind of people that write this kind of crap with no facts to back up their claims

no facts whatsoever....if there was it wouldnt be in frontpagemag.com,

show me some facts sard!!!! ........reading the piece does nothing to uncover any facts, there are none that show that she was removed for bieng anti-islamic........your as gullible as it gets

that is not a fact....it is the authors opinion of verdonks actions....hence the word "bespeaks"

"verdonk suddenly decided four years later" again the authors opinion but no facts whatsoever.....

its an opinion piece full of opinions but containing no facts.........but i guess when it comes to conservative opinion pieces-the fact that it is printed is enough for it to be a fact!!!!!! and you think michael moore is biased??????? he does nothing compared to frontpagemag.com why the hypocricy

there is still nothing in the piece to conflate the two. that has been my point all along. there is nothing in the piece strong enough to overcome the huge bias by the publisher. you have to consider the source and this source only publishes far right neo-con perspectives

your iraq anaolgy is very appropriate, they would use a fact here and a fact there and act as if they are related when, in reality; there was nothing but cherry picked facts. then they went on acting like they are connecting the dots of a larger picture that wasnt there.

this is much of the same, nothing to connect the dots but some cherry picked facts that have nothing to do with eachother....

sorry but i really dont see holland throwing someone out for having strong opinions......the muslims that move to holland are required to watch a video on guys kissing and people smoking marijuana and topless women and all the kinds of situations that they will be subjected to that will be far from thier customs. they are not bending over to not offend the muslims..... not far away in denmark they even had some cartoons that caused some offense to muslims if you remember......muslims are europes mexican and they pay them about the same as we do mexicans.....it aint right but they are not all about not offending the muslims........they are all about having them clip the hedges and trim the lawn

Hell Lupo, you wouldn't recognize a fact if was nailed to your brow. 'tis all hearsay that you are a biped. Prove it. There is a lot you don't see, master of Dutch political machinations. Lol My 3 year old granddaughter could show you how to connect the dots. And she is apolitical, for the moment.
You know I just can't believe you damn every source that might have a different political base than your own. By your methods no source, if even the possibility exists of the source being to the right of a left wing wacko, is trustworthy. Define paranoia please.

paranoia is reading frontpagemag.com........ can you post the story from any credible sources? is this a faith based article?

before anyone believes anything from this blog, you should go and check it out... frontpagemag.com.... you will se how fair and balanced it is.....just read a couple of articles if you wanna call them that and make up your own mind......or in sards case, lack thereof

You know what's funny?

Us laughing at the political shenanigans of ANY country.

Let's see.......who has more to get clowned about? The Dutch, or us?

Glass houses, pot-kettle-black, yadda yadda...........

Holland has recently strengthened its immigration policies in ways that Muslims claim are “offensive” and “discriminatory.” Would-be immigrants will now have to pay 350 euros ($430) to take a “civic integration examination,” must already speak Dutch, and must indicate a willingness to live in a country in which nude beaches and homosexual marriage are legal.

heres another quote:
Some have called her the Dutch Salman Rushdie. In paid advertisements, more than 100 Dutch writers have offered her support.


the above is right out of the national review........
even the one from ny times is an opinion
piece....
and peaktalk is no more trustworthy than frontpage.....

do you have anythinng from outside of anncoulterville??????? because so far there is nothign to show that it was the dutch kicking her out for being outspoken.... she has created some enemies by speaking the truth about islam and the dutch govt even sent bodyguards to protect her.......

there is nothing in any of the articles to show that she was kicked out for the reasons that sard says......sorry aunty but your not right and neither is sard.......

read the racematters article aunty.....it proves my point exactly
here, you can start with this sentence
Some have called her the Dutch Salman Rushdie. In paid advertisements, more than 100 Dutch writers have offered her support.

how in the hell am i trying to turn this into a partisan arguement? have you lost your mind? there has been absolutely no mention of dems or republicans......get real

there is nothing partisan there except an article trying to make a ploitical wedge out a non-issue....and gullible people like you believing it. have you been to holland? do you have any experience with that culture? or are you another book expert???

in fact i would be willing to bet that this thread is the first that you have heard of aayan!!! soem of us have known who she is for a long time and know enough about her to know that the frontpage article is full of crap...

she is a wonderful woman doing hard work, but saying that the dutch are to blame for her critics horrible threats is crazy....the dutch gave her the right to free speach. they are not keeping her down or forcing her out for her opinions.........its just that squeeky wheels get greased and when it comes to illegal documents when your a politician, they often get greased by their own party.......

I'm not sure I understand what the point being argued is? I read an article that asserted the Dutch may have unfairly treated an Islamic woman... So what? What's that supposed to tell me? So the article I referenced above is an opinion piece... Again, so what? It still doesn't change the fact that neither "side" of this issue being "argued" means anything. Rather than focusing how other countries are struggling to deal with the Islamic world why don't we try to improve our own. I would suggest by stopping the occupation of Iraq... But I'm just looney like that!

I would also say that drawing a conclusion based on that article that the Dutch are licking Islamic sandals is quite a leap. I would hope you are a little more in tune with Dutch politics to make such an assertion. I have my doubts though!

Your Granddaughter may be able to connect the dots faster than Lupo but would it make a picture?

You know what. I agree Aunty M. I have thought that Lupo wasn't responding in his usual fashion. I hope I am not a part of the problem. What Aunty M said.

Slate Update:

http://www.slate.com/id/2142147/?nav=fo

I recant from my original post about this not being relevant. I still believe it is looking at the issue of Islam in Europe through a microscope and making a diagnosis. However, it is an issue every person at some point or another is going to need to grapple with. How do we deal with fundamentalists in religion? We really have turned our backs on the issue over the years including within our own borders.

We have all been witness to the fundamentalist hysteria both Christian and Islamic. As an agnostic I find it concerning. In my mind it only reinforces how imperative it is to keep the separation of Church and State! If that were true the concern then becomes how does the State deal with the radicals without completely disenfranchising them?

It is a complex issue that cannot be dealt with by force nor can it continue to be ignored. I trust when we look through the microscope at other countries successes and failures we consider the bigger picture. I also suggest we do the same with our own politics...

You're right in that there are plenty of religious nuts and cults floating around society in this country. Brings to mind Jim Jones and the Jonesville atrocity. Of course then there is Waco, and the Antelope Valley, Oregon "if it feels good, do it" followers of the Maharishi Urea Mildew or whatever his name is/was. And that's probably only scratching the surface. Wonder when they will want to parole Charles Manson and friends?

Any body ever get a chance to watch that Benny Hinn guy slap his pilgrims around with that silk sport coat of his? Talk about nuts. How can we profess freedom of religion without letting some of these wackos run loose across the christian broadcast network monitors? Can we just add a little clause that says you're free to practice as long as you don't hurt anyone?