This from the Poker Players Alliance -

While most attention in the debate over online gambling has centered on Capitol Hill, the state of Washington has stepped to the forefront of the Internet gaming issue. Unbeknownst to many Americans, the Evergreen State adopted an outright ban of online poker, stiffening penalties for those who wager on hands over the Internet.

How did this happen without a huge controversy splashed over all the nation’s newspapers? Unfortunately, sponsors of the legislation moved their legislation quickly and quietly with few noticing it until Gov. Christine Gregoire signed it into law.

In January, Washington state Sen. Margarita Prentice introduced legislation “reaffirming and clarifying the prohibition against Internet and certain other interactive electronic or mechanical devises to engage in gambling.” Just a few weeks later, the bill was approved by the state Senate and moved into the Washington House where it was amended to increase the punishment for engaging in online wagering — up from a gross misdemeanor to a Class C felony. Such a level of a crime is punishable with up to 10 years in prison, the same amount of jail time reserved for sex offenders who fail to register with the state.

After gaining approval in the state House, the bill was on the fast track to the governor’s office. The new law will take effect on June 7. Overturning the law is possible — such a move would require “super majorities” of both state bodies — but it’s highly unlikely.

The Poker Players Alliance believes that Washington state politicians should NOT have the last laugh on this issue. Little debate took place on this legislation. The media didn’t publicize it. The public was unaware. As a result, politicians were free to cast their ballots without guidance from the views of their constituents.

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It is a good thing that we will now be able to get these evil no good poker players off the street. With the wide spread evil that playing poker creates, it is amazing that civilization has not crumbled. It will be great to see the Washington State Gestapo kicking down doors, intercepting e-mail, confiscating bank records and who knows what other means they may be able to come up with to enforce this long overdue legislation.

Just think, if some on-line qualifier to the WSOP were to win, what shame would be brought upon Washington.

Say WA!


You can have my chips when you pry my cold dead hand from my mouse

Sounds like we need and Eyman all out effort to put the matter to the voters. It never ceases to amaze me that so many folks have this need to tell everyone how to live.
Why the secrecy? I know, they will say it was all open and above board. BS Where is the medias fudge in the matter? Were they bought off.

There are already more laws on the books than can be enforced...

Does Washington allow poker in the casinos ?


I read something about repealing every law written since around 1920 or so...it would supposedly solve more problems than all those "new" laws every will.

BINGO!

Good thing there is a woman here to figure this out.

I guess I am naive about where the Casinos involvement in banning online poker pays off.
I would think the promotion of almost any kind of gambling would benefit the Casinos. Hell I even go to a Casino or two. Mostly for the food or a gun show. The wife does enjoy the electronic bandits tho.' I just miss the rattle of coins in the bucket. The paper payoff just don't cut it. Makes me a spectator but that's ok.

Sounds like your dislike for the current machines stops you from paying(playing), but your WIFE makes you a spectator...

Just got back from the Big Johnson Casino. Sign on the door says "Liquor Up Front, Poker in the Rear."

Hell prostitution is the oldest profession isn't it. Legal or otherwise someone is always willing to sell a bit of flesh for a buck. Aunty M notice I didn't specify male or female with the someone tag.
I spent 2 years in Japan. They have known how to deal with the flesh for sale syndrome since the 1500s.
I do enjoy a poker game now and then. Real poker that is. 5 card stud or draw. The powers that be have never been able to contain gambling. Mostly a waste of manpower that could be used in more productive endeavors.
Repeal the phony law.

I think if you are going to make prostitution legal, then you aught to leave quality control up to the consumer, there are more important uses for our tax money...

YOU are the one who likes the gov paying peoples bills, I say let people take whatever riskd they want, and let people pull their own weight, including their own medical care.

Ever time you think you shut a topic down, you do it by assuming everything would be the same except the micro topic in your mind...

Example; You say minimum wage is helpfull because people who work real cheap still get welfare....duh !
Welfare needs to be taken away from able bodied people, and if they are stupid enough to work for less than they can survive on, maybe that will be a good lesson for others.
Wages will be as low as the employer can get away with, and as high as the employee can get away with, there is a balance in there somewhere....it used to be called "supply and demand", and it works if Uncle Sugar doesn't mess wit it.

I don't ever not think.

..every few months. NO way. How about at least once a week?

I often agree with your ideas about personal freedom and accountability Oregonian, however, the freedom to infect and the resulting tax burden laid on me to care for the infected is unacceptable.

I was a Croupier for many years.

Gamblers have something seriously wrong with thier wiring and they are going to find a way to ruin thier lives with or without online gaming. They are like junkies.

At least by making them play poker in a card room, they are contributing to the local economy and are out of the house and being sociable.

The first thing is to quit paying for the deadbeats with taxpayer money, if you want to fund ablebodied professional couch potatoes with your money fine.

I have not found anything which says everyone must/will/can succeed, only that all are born with equal rights..........somewhere the Liberals have found that everyone must succeed, even at the expense of others...

Actually I've done pretty well in the last few elections....

I am certainly in the minority on THIS site, and have stated before that rather than try to fight or prove anyone wrong, I'd like to understand why you think wrong <grin>, anytime I get to the point of a question(have to type it 40 ways) you take some "greater than thou" stance and quit...

So far I have gained a little insight, but am still mostly awestruck at the Lefts "take from the workers and give to the others" thinking.

How can you vote Democrat when you say you want to continue to Keep and Bear Arms ?


How can you cry about the cost of medical insurance, and still want to legalize singlesex marriage ?


How can you be so proud of our Welfare system when it is keeping thousands of people trapped in poverty by taking away any incentive to get on their own feet ?

Do you sing while sidestepping ?

You are sure a pleasant person to talk to...

Is it really that hard for you to understand that the singlesex marriage thing is about getting benefits from a "spouse" who has employer provided insurance, among other things.......

You do realize that insurance rates are driven by claims, and we can assume some of the behaviors of these homos are high risk at best.....

Is Brady a Republican these days ? Didn't think so...


There are help wanted ads in the paper here everyday, and I think there are plenty of help wanted signs in NOLA too...

Lazy bums and crackheads cashing Uncle Sugar welfare checks everyday too....

Again with the entitlements...........

Why would anyone buy insurance if Uncle Sugar is handing it out for free ?

We need to stop paying the bills for the people without enough pride to pull their own weight, when we stop doing that your arguements are pretty much going to all be in one pile on the floor...............are you sure you're not Liberal ?

Nope, the gun grabbing crap goes WAY back to the 1930's or so, I guess you will want me to go get the exact date and title of the Act.........

National Firearms Act (NFA), cited as the Act of June 26, 1934

Here's your boy FDR....


He was elected President in November 1932, to the first of four terms. By March there were 13,000,000 unemployed, and almost every bank was closed. In his first "hundred days," he proposed, and Congress enacted, a sweeping program to bring recovery to business and agriculture, relief to the unemployed and to those in danger of losing farms and homes, and reform, especially through the establishment of the Tennessee Valley Authority.

By 1935 the Nation had achieved some measure of recovery, but businessmen and bankers were turning more and more against Roosevelt's New Deal program. They feared his experiments, were appalled because he had taken the Nation off the gold standard and allowed deficits in the budget, and disliked the concessions to labor. Roosevelt responded with a new program of reform: Social Security, heavier taxes on the wealthy, new controls over banks and public utilities, and an enormous work relief program for the unemployed.

In 1936 he was re-elected by a top-heavy margin. Feeling he was armed with a popular mandate, he sought legislation to enlarge the Supreme Court, which had been invalidating key New Deal measures. Roosevelt lost the Supreme Court battle, but a revolution in constitutional law took place. Thereafter the Government could legally regulate the economy.

Next...?

Why on Earth do you think an employer owes an employee medical insurance ?

There are two reasons why employers provide insurance (1) Insurance companies have a lot of clout, and they want to sell a lot of insurance. (2) Employers know that if they get the employee on benefits, the employee will be reluctant to move to a better job, I have seen this with my own eyes (call it life experiance ), the insurance companies are part of this with their continous coverage requirements and pre-existing condition crap......

What is wrong with an employee deciding what to do with his/her own money ? A lot of employees in this area will gladly take an extra dollar per hour instead of medical insurance !

People need to plan their life/income, it's not my fault if they are dumb enough to take a job that won't keep them fed....that problem would fix itself and fast, IF the entitlement sh!t (your word) would go away.

I've not had a drop, though having a drink or two is no crime.

Would you care to elaborate on the point of making that remark, or do you just want us to continue thinking it is a distraction, and a desperate move of a mean person who isn't making any intelligent points...

You don't remember asking which President started the gun grabbing, specificly automatic weapons ?

I guess you would insert a quip about drugs and short term memory loss, but I don't need to stoop to that level...


Just a coincidence I guess that he also started a lot of the entitlement crap that is crippling this nation...

I don't not think medical insurance should be required to be provided by employers, the employees have the right to choose if and how much insurance they want, unless we make it compulsory like auto insurance...

Why would you complain if your employer just added the amount he/she spends on your insurance to your check, and let you shop for your own coverage ?

It doesn't prove anything, I erased it because I don't think it was a very nice thing for me to say, and does not ad to the conversation, I have not looked back to see if you have erased any of the childish crap that you said, and I don't intend to...


Are you coming back with an intelligent point ?

Do you remember asking which President started the gun grabbing ?

Do you ever recognize another persons point, or just call names when they get one ?

I'm not and never did defend subsidizing huge companies....except for one tongue in cheek remark which could not have been mistaken as serious by anyone, not even a rabid Liberal...

The NFA is very specific about AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, do your research.

People who will work for an outfit like WalMart deserve what they get, there are better jobs in the paper here everyday, they are too lazy and too stupid to find a decent job, not much that can be done about that.

I'm not mocked, even on this site, except by you and maybe Lupo.............I'm not mean and hatefull either, though reading some of your work might give someone the opinion that you are...

That's probably going to be it for me tonight, I think I'll head on down to the local Indian casino, flirt with a waitress or three, drink firewater, and play poker.

Read up on FDR, and the NFA then we can have a proper discussion on entitlement society...

This is the country where people with skills to offer can hang out their own shingle and have a shot at prosperity, if they would rather work alongside Habeeb at WalMart, that says a lot.....

You can make more washing cars than WalMart pays, but you have to tell yourself what time to get up, some folks can't even do that I guess....

Those jobs with crazy low pay, and almost zero responsibility required, are traditionly filled by school kids living with their parents, I guess kids have better things to do these days ?

It never was much of a debate, I ask a question, you come in asking for clarification 7 times in a row, then side-step........BTDT.

And all those revenooers. Treasury agents put out of work by the repeal of prohibition were suddenly about to become unemployed. OH dear! we can't have that. How can we keep them busy and part of the payroll? Write the firearms act of 1934. Kill two birds with one stone. We get to maintain our payroll and we control the access to firearms of all those new black voters. Rebel yell at this point, emitted by Carpetbaggers.

Again, personal attacks on me rather than make an intelligent point...

Where would you propose lumber and paper come from if it's not suitable work for good American family men ?

I was under the impression that everyone new FDR's entitlement experiment didn't work, but is somehow still in place, tell me I was right...

NOBODY "must" work at WalMart, it is a choice and a poor one, same goes for shopping at WalMart........

I never said anything about how stupid you must be, I never called you sh!t, I have posed a few questions you either can't answer, or won't...

I don't care one wit about cutting timber, I will go on to the next thing when I see an opportunity, for now I am living quite comfortably thank you.

I don't know why I continue to answer you silly personal attacks with nice facts, other than because I can....but here's another one for you, when cutting timber stops interesting me, I will continue my career as an air taxi pilot in S.E.Alaska, I guess us pilots are a bunch of stupid heads too.........

What was your great accomplishment that put you on that high horse anyway, I seem to have missed it ?

It was more fun talking to you when you at least tried to make sense, I should have let you win a few, but I am just too honest for that.

Sorry, I forgot how much fun some have pokeing each other with sharp sticks. I've been guilty of it myself now and then. Only with absolutely gargantuan provocation. Besides a epee is disadvantaged against a claymore.

I feel bad for AuntyM, I shouldn't have been discussing politics with a woman, that wasn't fair and I am sorry...

Do you have any good recipes for sturgeon AuntyM, I'm going to catch at least one after work tomorrow......

Voluteering for the sheriff certainly qualifies you to degrade thousands of American men who work at family wage jobs, pay taxes, and raise decent kids, after serving their Country in the military for a few years in many cases...........


There are a lot of military folks who think it's like a skate(see how far they can ride it), so don't get too hoity-toity about being related to military men, (I expect your men are outstanding, I just want you to admit that a military job doesn't automaticly make someone a saint).

No I don't dishonor those who serve, I stated a fact, and any good serviceman would tell you the same thing, it's like a Union on steroids...

That doesn't take a thing away from the good guys in the service...at least not in the context which I mean it, surly you can twist it all around for your Liberal buddies.


Do you still think raising the minimum wage would make WalMart a good company to work for ?

Why not require employers to pay auto and homeowners insurance for employees if they are required to pay medical insurance ?

Do you still think Republicans are the gun grabbers ?

Actually, I found out for myself what it was really like, didn't impress me a bit, I got out asap...

If you want to go back and try to figure out what your stradegy was about, I'm all ears...


P.S.
When I signed up, they still asked the room if anyone was gay, and recommended gays go someplace else, ah the good old days.

It's not us, it's you, and I didn't say it before because you were asking in a childish manner which made not confirming nor denying all the sweeter, I did refer to your assumptions more than once, a person with such self described wisdom would have caught on.......

Oh well, thanks for the recipy. <grin>


Have a good night, hopefully we can speak on more pleasant terms tomorrow.

Your favorite logger,
Oregonian

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you're just now telling us this and expect us to believe it?
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Again, you have confused yourself....I refered to your comment, you act like you are speaking for a group, but it's just you.

Now I see how a simple thing like a ballot could be trouble for the Democrats...

Now I see, you were right all along...about everything.

good job with the hijacking of the thread oregonian..... would have hated to see a good thread stay good, how bout just starting your own thread on the dozens of topics that you crammed into this one???? then if people want to hear absolute bull**** opinions about liberals and welfare tht have no truth to them, they can just go to your thread........

now back to gambling- i think aunty is right about the tribal money funding this legislature, i have heard that alot of their money was behind the anti-smoking ban too to drive smokers into the casinos to do their gambling there instead of card rooms where smoking is now banned

lupo, check out this quote...

"Does Washington allow poker in the casinos ?"

That quote comes from the third post on this thread, which you may know as the second reply to the original post...

I also made a comment referencing the similarity of AuntyM's post to the above quote, but I guess sometimes birds of a feather stick together...

I really hate to post such snide comments, but in your case I just don't think anything else really registers anyway. AuntyM has decided to slam anything I say out of hand, so I don't really think there will be much discussion between her and myself in the near future, I don't know why someone with her background would be so intimidated by a simpleton like me......

Are you still mad about not having a penis ?

Can't say as I blame you !

Read a good book a few years ago. About a group of women climbers that set out to climb Annapurna. One of the high ones. Good story, Name of the book, "A Woman's Place is on Top." One of the gals died on the climb, HAPE was the cause.
ps: this is not non-sequitor. Aunty M brought up the positional topic. Or perhaps a better title would be 'labor of love.'

OH, I don't know about the 'being a man'. I don't mind it so much. What's troubling is the abundance of posers that have a problem proving to themselves what it is to be a man. Most of them deserve their headaches or whatever.
I'm just jealous of the patriarchs. The had damn near as many wives as they had ewes. LOL

"Actually, I found out for myself what it was really like, didn't impress me a bit, I got out asap...
When I signed up, they still asked the room if anyone was gay, and recommended gays go someplace else,"

Did anyoone else get the same laugh out of that as I did??

Oh well...Aunty, arguing with Org will only show you that Org has exactly no clue what the real world is like, again, his arguments are as follows:
Women are dumb

Indians can't log

Stupid people should not exist and nothing but hard work can make a stupid person smarter, and because they are stupid, they don't deserve a decent standard of living.

Take welfare away from poor needy people, give it all to oil and insurance companies, tell the churches to make up for the difference.

Just keep repeating whenever someone lays the blatant truth on you.

Oh yeah, and Org, here's a question for you, I'll check back for an answer sometime this week. If FDR screwed everything up so bad with his "experiment", why was he voted back in so many times?? In this country the majority speaks, (at least it used to) and history tells us that the majority must have liked what he did.

Sard, are you a climber?? Usually the only sorts that read something like that have an affinity for low oxygen levels. A good friend of mine from Colo is out leading a team right now on Gasher Brum 4. I can't wait to see the slides.