A little story that supports my theory that Bin Laden is dead, and has been dead for a long while.

link to AP report

Why the rush? How do they know the guy is alive when they haven't been able to find him since Nov/Dec 2001? Which is about the time he was killed during a bombing run in the mountains of Tora Bora. Rather than rush to say anything, if I was in charge of an organization that has appeared to be inept in capturing the worlds most wanted man, I'd be keeping my damm mouth shut.

And of course there is the always pervasive, unnamed anonymous sources...

Related AP article

Even Condi plays stupid and states she doesn't know anything about the current report stating OBL is dead.

But one unnamed official said something that gives some insight as to why the US government would want to hold this secret until the 'right time'.

Something smells.

Here is the original theory. I know its long, but I'm still kinda proud of it. Even if I have alot of unmarked vans hanging around the house since then.


My very own conspiracy theory. Figured 5am was as good a time as any to share it on the web.

I'll start with the theory itself:

OBL was killed during the battle of Tora Bora in Dec of 2001. I'll give a date 12/16/2001.

Now the motives for keeping it secret:

1. GW benefits from the public believing the bogeyman is still out there. If bad folk is still alive then public gives him free reign to 'protect us'.

2. Al Queda benefits by having a leader who has challenged the Great Satan and walked away alive.


Facts supporting conclusion that OBL is Dead.


1. No credible video since end of Nov 2001. Any video that has surfaced either are obvious imposters, or not so obvious. Either way, video has been scarce since Dec 2001. Google up OBL video and you'll find some great webpages doing comparisons between known OBL pics and the latest videos. Even if the last one was a good fake, some of the authenticated tapes are completely obviously NOT OBL. Why would they pass them off as being real?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

2. Audio tapes have been authenticated by "US intelligence officals", but never by anyone willing to give thier name for the record. Google it up. Its always "officials". Someday the truth will come out and Rummy, Dummy, and Cheney will all be able to say "Well I never said he was alive". One of those "authenticated" audio tapes was independently studied by an independant Swiss reserch group, they gave a statement they were 100% sure it was NOT OBL. And never a counterstatement from the White House. Case dropped.

http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/binladen/after-death/support-iraq-tape-feb03/swiss-wont-verify.txt

3. Rummy was specifically asked 2 years ago at a news conference "Is OBL dead or alive?" His answer was a wise ass "Yes". He refused to give anything more then that.

4. Since Dec 2001 Bush has mysteriously lost personal interest in finding OBL.

5. Bush keeps a list of the most wanted terrorists in the top drawer of his desk in the Oval office. He mentioned the list during a 20/20 interview. He said he couldn't show who on it was captured or dead, but did say he marked them off his list as they were 'taken care of'. Now I remember them bragging about every high level capture or kill they have made except for 2, OBL and that Jackas Taliban Mullah Omar.

6. Shortly after Tora Bora a report on NPR was done on how the military has tissue samples from several of OBL's family. Those samples were being kept at the base on the East Coast where they process military remains. Evidently samples from Tora Bora were going to be analyzed against those tissue samples from OBL's family. Why the hell would they be doing that? Never any follow up reports. Believe me I looked, this is the story that got me thinking.

7. Several reports have gone out from different sources over 'power struggles' within Al Queda. Why would thier be a power struggle if OBL was alive?

8. (this is the only non-public/non-verifiable info I am going to give) Early summer I get an email from someone I'd been exchanging correspondence with for a couple years. He is involved with operations in Afghanistan. Thats all you get I dont need him buried in some hole in Turkey. He tells me that morale among troops in afghanistan is falling. They have killed anybody important, and the little guys are dead or humping goats in Pakistan. They get sent around the countryside on pointless missions since December. 90% of the 'company' guys are gone too. Why the sudden change in only 3-4 months?


9. Tora Bora was not some huge screw up. Multiple reports were made that hundreds of American special forces troops had surrounded the area known to be the last hidout of OBL. B 52's were turning the hills into parking lots. He farted and Spec Ops were analyzing what he had for lunch.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/16/wtora16.xml


I can get other links as requested. The truth is out there.


Vince

Vince, I gotta agree on the premise that Osama is dust. I hope so. And I hope his demise was belief shattering. Most humans can edure some pain. The worst pain is finding out your 'cause celebre' is false and a pile of crap.
Human nature being what it is, someone would have sold him for the $25 million long ago. If he was available for sale.
IF your premise or theory is accurate, news of Osama's demise will probably appear near the elections in November. LOL Should be interesting.

For once I agree with Sard, in a way. It seems to me this was intended to be a big press release to swing the Nov. election, but someone let the cat out of the bag.

I'm also of the school of thought that OBL got vaporized at Tora Bora, and the Criminal in Cheif needs himself a boogeyman to justify his actions.

One could say that it has been held back thus far because the Republicans knew that hacked voting machines/ erased voters were enough in a close race. If it gets out of hand, then they may pull this card out.
On a national level it is out of hand.I do not believe enough races are out of the range of standard republican voting tactics to this sort of "outing".
You could be right V but the voting machines and voter roles may still be able to keep at least one majority. If you're right we will have to wait one year and nine months or so.
Well, gotta go build a rod.
cds

I thought that there was a recorded message of OBL talking about alzarqwi's (sp) death, and how the fight will go on, right after his death in June? And I also thought that this message was considered authentic, by several foreign intel agencies, not just ours.
Although I wish/hope he is dead.

Yes, lots of audio recordings authenticated by unnamed intelligences sources. Always unnamed. Nobody in a Cabinet position ever has a comment about it.

A company, The Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence that does development work for voice recognition systems used by international banks, analysed one of those 'authenticated' tapes. They were 100% sure the tape was NOT OBL. This was after 'unnamed US intelligence sources' authenticated the tape. But then when asked to verify a second tape a few months later they refused to do the work at all.

http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/binladen/after-death/support-iraq-tape-feb03/swiss-wont-verify.txt

He ain't dead, he is still out there hating American 'cuz of our Freedoms. All you liberal America haters are just like bin laden, always blame America first, wanting nothing better than to see America turn into some Socialist nanny state, overun by guys named Achmed, collecting welfare.
If you liberals really loved America you'd go to (my) church, hate a whole lot more, and burn Muslims instead of the flag. You all make me sick, pansies, all of you.
If Bush says it, by God that's the damn way it is.

What, Bush says he doesn't think much about bin laden, and that was like 3 years ago?

Huh.........Damn Republicans are pansies too I'd suppose.
:p

I am not so sure he ever was what they claimed him to be, sort of like the 'Blair Witch' of terrorists.

Now Carlos the Jackal, that was a terrorists terrorist, if ya know what I mean.



KK

Gosh, Gee whiz, KK it sounds like you found your third K. LOL

After numerous rounds of "We don't even know if Osama is still alive, "Osama himself decided to send George Bush a letter in his own handwriting
to let him know he was still in the game.

Bush opened the letter and it appeared to contain a single line of Coded message:

"370HSSV 0773H"

Bush was baffled, so he e-mailed it to Condoleeza
Rice.

Condi and her aides had not a clue either, so they
sent it to the FBI. No one could solve it at the FBI so it went to the CIA, then to the NASA.

Eventually they asked Britain's MI-6 for help. Within a minute MI-6 cabled the White House with this reply.

"Tell the President he's holding the message upside down."

Well if his cadaver is in a known spot maybe we'll hear about it this week. lol

If OBL is feeding maggots, then based on the current polls regarding the contested Congressional races around the country right now, I suspect that his body will be mysteriously found and trotted out, just in time for next Tuesday...mebbe on Friday afternoon, so that the news is out there for a few days, but no one will be "in the office" until the day before the election.

FoxNews, however, will be "in the office" all weekend, giving credit for the find to the Republican legislators who are up for career changes on Tuesday.

Fish on...

Todd