#181468 - 01/15/03 05:02 PM
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River Nutrients
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Hey Dan, Perhaps Micropterus101 could use a night at the local Holiday Inn Express...
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#181469 - 01/15/03 05:12 PM
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Carcass
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Micro -
"that way there can be no organization that can stop the commercial fishing industry."
Fish farms.
You must not fish with barbless hooks very often or you would know that Rockfish is quite correct in how easy they are to remove....
...as I see it this thread is about whether or not drastic measures should be taken to close a fishery that is potentially in trouble not about flyfishers v. every other kind of fisherperson.
If the closures/restrictions posed were enacted it could potentially infringe upon your 'right to fish'... is that what has you unable to focus on the specifics of this thread?
I doubt you'll find many on this board or anywhere else for that matter that would agree with your statement that a steelhead is a salmon....supposing you are wrong on that, would you be willing to reconsider some of the other positions you have taken in this thread and others based on information you were equally sure was correct?
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#181470 - 01/15/03 05:16 PM
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#181471 - 01/15/03 05:17 PM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Steelhead salmon, huh? Or is it rainbow salmon? I guess you can add Golden salmon, cutthroat salmon, Gila salmon, and Apache salmon to your list of "unofficial salmon" if you want. They aren't salmon. Like I said, you're using layman's terms. And I see that somebody at WDFW is going right along with you.
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#181473 - 01/15/03 05:22 PM
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Carcass
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Maybe he is confusing 'salmon' with 'salmonid'?
Don't forget the red-band salmon...
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#181474 - 01/15/03 05:26 PM
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Ya know, I too recall that steelhead being reclassified, something about being more closely related to salmon than to trout.
Seems like most steelheaders are floatin down a river (in Egypt!) when it comes to this re-classification.
Sincerely, Roger
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#181476 - 01/15/03 05:35 PM
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Three Time Spawner
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#181478 - 01/15/03 05:49 PM
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But the research on smolt mortality rates did not go out the window with the reclassification.
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#181480 - 01/15/03 06:02 PM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/14/03
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correct that the smolt mortality rate didn't go out the window with the reclassification.
Micro, Do you now belive that Rainbows and Steelhead are both classified as O. Mykiss (actually they are the same just one stays in freshwater and one goes to the ocean)and therefore the hooking mortality on Rainbows is relivent?
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#181481 - 01/15/03 06:03 PM
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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It's crow pie for you, cowfish.
Taxonomy is done using the following classifications:
Kingdom Phylum Class Order Family Genus Species
Sure, "salmon" and steelhead are classified in the same Genus. So what? They are NOT the same species. And it DOES make a huge difference.
Using the method you guys are, you could also claim a Dachshund is a wolf........they both belong to the Genus Canis. And you'd be MORE right than claiming a steelhead is a salmon since domestic dogs have recently been reclassified as Canis Lupus Familiaris, a sub-species of Canis Lupus (wolves), rather than a separate species (Canis Familiaris).
Clearly a weiner dog isn't a wolf, but it's close. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
If you want to tell me a wolf is a weiner dog is a wolf..........then at least you'll be showing some understanding of the taxonomic classification process.
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#181483 - 01/15/03 06:24 PM
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River Nutrients
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I believe that the main reason for the reclassification was because of the similarity in life history to the pacific "salmon" species more so than mitochondrial DNA similarities. As Dan pointed out, just because an animal shares the same genus DOES NOT mean that they are the same species. (great example by the way Dan)
As h2o pointed out, this thread has DEFINITELY sidetracked from Sparkey's original post. When all is said and done, does it REALLY matter if a steelhead is a salmon or not. The bottom line is, we as sportfishers only have direct control over certain aspects of what may be causing the decline in fish numbers. Obviously nets, pollution, habitat loss, dams etc... contribute more to the decline that barbed hooks or bait. But let me ask you this, don't we owe it to ourselves and to the fish to do whatever we can to ensure that we'll have steelhead around in the short term, and for future generations to enjoy as much as we have?
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#181485 - 01/15/03 06:29 PM
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Spawner
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Originally posted by Dan S.:
Taxonomy is done using the following Clearly a weiner dog isn't a wolf, but it's close. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Rainbow trout and steelhead are close but not the same. close only counts in horshoes and grenades. I couldnt have said it better myself.
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#181486 - 01/15/03 06:31 PM
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