Bob,

I'm starting to worry about you...everything you disagree with is a "conspiracy theory"...

Have you noticed that when you make sense that the great majority, if not all, of the members here agree with you, and sometimes even commend you for your efforts to help out all of us, the fish, and our fishing opportunities?

You don't don your tin foil hat and listen for clicks on your phone line then...why must you do it when you (Oh! the horror!

Weaken chain of what? Chain of sense? Logical, progressive arguments?

The goon squad is in your head...

I won't speak for anyone else, but I know that I post in a few situations. Here's one...

A topic comes up that I'm interested in...if I have a question, I ask it...if I have a comment, I make it...if someone else has a question I know the answer to, I give it...and I am especially quick to jump in when folks are wrong either factually, or logically, about topics that I do know about.

I'm especially quick to jump in in those cases because we as sportfishers can't have the political power to get anything done without the correct information...and offhand use of wrong information is worse than not saying anything at all.

I'd hate to be the flower delivery guy in your neighborhood , or even worse, the cable or telephone repair guy.

Fish on...

Todd.

Cowlitzfisherman,

With all due respect, IMHO, you my friend are rapidly loosing any and all credibility through your incessant caterwauling, and personal attacks. You seem to thrive on stirring the proverbial "pot". Why? I know that you believe, as most of us do, that UNITY amongst the different factions the sportfishing community is our only hope of ever exacting the kinds of change we constantly b!tch about here on the board. So let me ask you, why do you constantly attack those that disagree with you?

When you are faced with overwhelming scientific evidence, or professional opinion, you resort to name calling as your defense, and use catch-phrases like 'common sense' when you know damn well that you just do not have a leg to stand on.

There's no 'goon squad' here, only concerned anglers that feel that the well-being of the fish should be considered for the FUTURE , not just whether or not the freezer is full today.

Neither Jerry, stlhdh2o, or Todd attacked Micropterus101 personally, they just tried to make him see the logic and reality of the situation. You obviously have a very hard time understanding that.

You've done some good things to benefit fishermen, especially where the Cowlitz river is concerned. Don't let those efforts be undermined by your personal dislike of those who see fishing in a different light than you do.

I'm sure you will type a heated response to me as soon as you read this, and to that I say feel free. All I ask is that before you do, you take just a minute to think about what I've just said.

CF --Some of us work during the day and only get on the net before work [6am for me] breaks [9:50 and 2:30] and lunch [ 12 to 12:30] and after work [4:30 for me] so I can't just sit and wait for posts as you seem to think. No net service at home now.

Does "wimpy" sound better?

If that's your best "art work" you have just told a lot of us about you! I guess there is a "dark side" to everything and everybody; including sport fishermen!

P.S. Sorry about some of my spelling errors; maybe it was becuase I was able to retired when I was 39 old

How old did you say you are now?

Double cheers back!


Cowlitzfisherman

I don't really understand what the chip on your shoulder is all about [ especially your incessant attacks on stlhdh2o] or your ego inflating comments about early retirement [way to go!!] we are not the enemy you are trying to make us out to be.

Ok
4Salt I'll pass on Todd's little game for the moment, and try to answer yours first!

I will attempt to answer your reply in the best possible way that I can. Please do not take any offense to my replies, because it is the way that I think and feel.

You stated: "With all due respect, IMHO, you my friend are rapidly loosing any and all credibility through your incessant caterwauling, and personal attacks."

For one thing 4 Salt, I have no ideal what the hell IMHO means! With that said, I am not too worried about my "credibility" on this board. That has already been established a long time ago. Because I have the "guts" to take on our boards best, that also appears to have made me a "risk factor" to some. That's nothing new for me, but it may be new to some. If you notice, it's always the same guys that come after me (probably not the best use of words…the goon squad). I hate to beat around the bush like so many tend to do, so I will cut right to the chase!

With that being said, you asked me "You seem to thrive on stirring the proverbial Pot". Why? Well, if not me who in the hell is going to make people get off their butts and debate these issues? The first time that a "new" members asks hard sensible questions that may be a little different then some seasons members; they try to chop off his head! That's a bunch of BS, I will continue to tell you guys so! The clan needs to learn that there are lots of opposing and different points of views out there, and just because they are different then the clans may be, it does not mean that they are wrong.

Moving on, you said; "Neither Jerry, stlhdh2o, or Todd attacked Micropterus101 personally, they just tried to make him see the logic and reality of the situation. You obviously have a very hard time understanding that."

If you really expect this board to believe that statement, then why do these same guys keep bringing up this "common sense" bull $hit? That was, and still is in my opinion, simply a personal attack on a thread that I wrote about 2 weeks ago because it apparently went against their grain. Now I told you the truth, so deal with it!

Moving on even more, again you say; "You've done some good things to benefit fishermen, especially where the Cowlitz River is concerned. Don't let those efforts be undermined by your personal dislike of those who see fishing in a different light than you do." I understand what you are saying, but I just will not accept their "catty remarks". When they do that, you can expect that I will come back and let them known my feelings.

Jerry; Your first reply: was fair enough; except for your last comment; [especially your incessant attacks on stlhdh2o]

Jerry, It doesn't take a brain scientist on this board to kwon or realize that stlhdh2o has been playing games!

Your second reply is a little bit different! Is it the "clip" on my should; or is the hair in up you butt... Fair enough?

Todd: That a great one! The "old attorney spin" special!
You say: "I'm starting to worry about you...everything you disagree with is a "conspiracy theory"..."

Isn't that the way attorney work and discredit the "other side"? Put the spin on other guy, and move on!

Readers will always read between the lines. They don't need you or me to tell them what's really going on here. "the conspiracy" thing is what all attorneys do best…right Todd?!

I like this one too Todd; "I'm especially quick to jump in in those cases because we as sportfishers can't have the political power to get anything done without the correct
information...and offhand use of wrong information is worse than not saying anything at all."

You also say; "I'd hate to be the flower delivery guy in your neighborhood, or even worse, the cable or telephone repair guy." Well, Todd, you would probability not be my first, second, or third choice for my attorney either if I had to take something to court!

Finally, 4 Salt, you ended your post with; Neither Jerry, stlhdh2o, or Todd attacked Micropterus101 personally, they just tried to make him see the logic and reality of the situation. You obviously have a very hard time understanding that."

Ok 4 Salt, fair is fair …right? What about Todd's attack on me…I guess that one was "OK" if the clan does it....right?

Cowlitzfisherman

Looks like something needs to go to email fellas ... oh well, so much for going a whole year without locking one