The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming
about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming
the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to
anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call
them names like "stupid" , "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange
went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush
and is embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country?
Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic"
leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale
University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an
F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career
in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy
industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with
53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he
became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year
terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998
Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent
of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of
women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern
Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first
Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and
Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone
began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any
other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to
URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)

Vice President Dick Cheney earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966,
both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political
Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice
President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members
of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen
our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on
Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice
President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators
and members of the House of Representatives to work on the
Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he
has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on
the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the
tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell was educated in the New York City public
schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he
earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also
participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second
lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic
achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree
from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of
numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary
Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of
Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal,
the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of
Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and
other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary
degrees from universities and colleges across the country.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: attended Princeton University on
Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval
aviator ; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin
(R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to
the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director
of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to
NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to
the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House
Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge was raised in a working class
family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to
Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year
at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where
he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze
Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned
his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant
District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He
was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the
U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor


Condoleezza


Rice earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and
Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from
the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her
Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the
University of Denver in 1981.


(Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15,
graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum
Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre
Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of
International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in
Political Science.)


She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has
been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the
University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of
Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for
International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the
Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the
Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe
Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with
Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and
the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on
Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed
audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's
Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000
Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the
period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet
Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then
Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National
Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the
Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the
Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the
Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the
Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron
Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and
Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the
International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco
Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the
Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in
East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of
the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her
past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica
Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie
Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the
National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula
Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born
November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned
her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta
Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the
University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate
School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She
is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been
awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in
1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre
Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.
So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their
experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will
defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that
if
they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we
should also have all the facts on their educations and background:

Barbra Streisand : Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting

Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting


Alec Baldwin Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting

Julia Roberts Completed high school
Career: Acting

Sean Penn Completed High school
Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America
in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting

Ed Asner Completed High school
Career: Acting

George Clooney Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting

Michael Moore Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting

Mike Farrell Completed High school
Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we
should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed
daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our
security. They are privy to information gathered around the world
concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of
terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant
communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations,
our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot
simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats
because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as
informed as our leaders.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding
groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our
country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things
Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood
elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts
the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the
Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of
Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He
bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and
not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in
Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from
Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked
on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating
terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold
rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest,
God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the
Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE,
FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government
to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons,
in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we
have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical,
biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no
cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave
him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even
though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used
against us in our own cities.

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that
since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also
determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable
decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing
of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being
a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I
know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy
himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from
war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him
the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a
maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it
the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average
American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him
clout?

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a
shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous
marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper
tantrums,
etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire
nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country
will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a
certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate
ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to
enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever
to
know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of
terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation
remains strong. We must make certain that those who would
destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall
them.

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists
and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is
not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire
continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and
brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is
known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy
did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in
Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of
immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not
end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of
President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.

Hey Voodoo...you are alot smarter then I thouught...in fact, you may just rival my intelligence level!!!

You must have spent all day writing and researching this post...

right on excellent post I'm glad to read this kind of thread

Excellent post.

Nice post, but someone has way to much time on there hands !!!
Must be on electronic home monitering.
Peace Superfly

great post BBVD!!!

its too bad that CNN (the "Clinton News Network") will never admit the facts. its sad when the media will only focus on the negative part of any issue and not the whole story.

Sweet!!!! Nice job!

Excellent post!

I call it a reality check!

Cowlitzfisherman

Great Post!!!
Thanks for that info.

A Men Brother-
They ought to strap those so called actors to patriot missles and send them into the heart of
Baghdad!!!

Don't fall into the "who's smarter" trap, fellas.

Einstein dropped out, Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out. Are you ready to question Einstein's intelligence?

voo doo great job on the post. dan , yes great thinkers have dropped out or not gone to collage,but they have also done more with there lives and for man kind then entertain us. thomas edison never made it out of 5th grade but he did much more for the world then play a whore in "Pretty woman". Everyone in the world has talent, for some its to act and sing for others its to run countrys. all the people are the top in their field or where, half these actors are has beens. but beening the top actor in the world is not the same as beening the top politican in the world. the poeple bush has put around him are more talanted the any other group in that office in many years. I am just a old jar head that supports are pres. becouse he is doing the right thing not becouse he speaks well or looks good.
Tom
P.S. screw the dixie chicks

Dan

Just a piece more of history about Einstein!
"An investigation was conducted by the FBI regarding the famous physicist because of his affiliation with the Communist Party. Einstein was a member, sponsor, or affiliated with thirty-four communist fronts between 1937-1954. He also served as honorary chairman for three communist organizations."

Besides the above, wasn't Einstein the father of the most destructive weapon that mankind has ever created? Smart?????? It depends on ones point of view!

Cowlitzfisherman

You're serious?

Never mind..................

where is the part where george goes AWOL for a year and a half while my dad was fighting in nam???????


anti-war is not anti-american... and besides isnt this a fishing site... just a joke for all of you who said this to me and are continuing with the war opinions...

Smart people are not immune from making stupid decisions just as stupid people occaisionally make smart decisions.

But the point is - which group of people would you feel more confident in making major decisions concerning our country? Who do you think has the better access to information? Sure, I don't like most politicians - but a bunch of actors is no comparison. It's like them challenging the methods and decisions of a heart surgeon. Would you give one of them the scalpel? We all have opinions - but too many of us like to spout off without REAL information to back us up (not just emotions or the opinions of your peers).

I think anyone in Hollywood bashing the war and the President should not be allowed to make any profit from the hundreds of war stories that will come from this conflict. You know the writers and producers are already waging a war of their own - how to capitalize and profit from this unfortunate situation. Then the hollywood whores will line up to play the war heroes....

Dan

I couldn't help myself ... but it did bring out old chappy again!

Cowlitzfisherman

WOW! I'm convinced!

Yes sir, them General and Special theories of Relativity, Humbug! Einstein was a damn commie! What the hell did he know? Yep, it wasn't Oppenheimer and his team that developed the first atomic weapons for the U.S. it was that pinko Einstein!

What we need right now is another Joseph McCarthy I tell ya! Them's was the good ol' days!

Hollywood? Don't even get me started! Why I'm gonna have to take up playing bridge again cause I damn well ain't gonna be watchin' no more bleedin' heart Liberal movies or TV! Hell no!

Just tell me what to watch, what to read, what to believe, who to trust, when and where! Save me the trouble of doing it for myself!

Whew! My life's gonna get a whole lot easier now, no more thinkin'!!!

</extreme_sarcasm>

Dangit, cowfish.......you're playin' me like a fiddle.

If that's the truth...

...then the truth really is 'out there'.

All right 4Salt


All right 4Salt

Now you really got me mad! I knew this would draw you out and I have had it with you; I am challenging you to a dull!

1) Since it's my dull, I make the rules!
2) The choice of weapons will be size 2 rubber bands for you
3) Because I am much older then you, I get to use the 7x1/8 size "Big Bands"
4) All rubber bands must be made of pure rubber (no junky rubber allowed)
5) The place will be "on the water" at an undisclosed location.
6) The time will be "when I see you", and not one minute later.
7) You will also be required to be blindfolded
8) I will not be required to be blindfolded because my eyes are not as good as they used to be.
9) Spectators must be members of our board (no exceptions, except maybe CNN)
10) The winner of the dull must publicly admit his defeat on our board.
11) You may bring "chappy" along as your "rubber bearer".
12) My barer may be Mirco or Dan S.

Warning! Before you except my challenge, I must first warn you that I used to be the "best" shooter in my class (5 shoots in dime at 100 yards). I am a retired rubber band champion and hold 2 degrees in fast band shooting. I also was second runner up in the world class "fast shooter" in the 2001 -2002 national rubber band championships. I currently am a holder of a first degree black rubber belt. I also was champion in the "one handed" rubber band national championships in 1999. If you loose, you will be force to donate $1000 dollars to our board. If I loose, I will hand over my black rubber belt and 1000 of my best rubbers to you.

PS, take your time when you put your reply together, because the whole board is watching and waiting to hear what it is!


Cowlitzfisherman

Hee hee... 'a dull'

Hee hee

I'm not sure I want to see either Dan S. or Mircro bare.

Awww....c'mon man. I've been lookin' for a reason to get nekked for a while now.

Cowlitzfisheman,

I hereby accept!

I would be honored to engage in a "dull" with you! You are a worthy adversary, even if you are much older than me! :p

The only problem is, my stash of rubbers is nil. (especially the black ones, as I've always preferred clear. )

Perhaps FOX news would be better suited to cover the event as well. (You know, the whole liberal media thing and all...)

Micropterus101 would make an excellent choice for your "corner man." Dan S, I fear might be a little too intelligent and free-thinking to properly execute the task though!

I too used to be a "fast shooter" but fortunately, age and experience have helped greatly!

$1000 dollars??? There goes that operation I was contemplating...

If this board is truly watching and waiting to hear my response (which I highly doubt) then they collectively have less of a life than I do!

And finally CFM, if I were to choose support personell from the board, it would be people like Todd, Salmo g, goharley, Dan S, stlhdh2o and many others too numerous to name. Not because we'd be the fastest, but hopefully, when all was said and done, we'd be the most accurate. (that was a metaphor, just in case you were wondering)

p.s. I have to get some actual work done at some point today, so no more long-winded posts from me. (as a sigh of relief is heard all over the Puget Sound region)

Thank you Aunty!

Cowlitzfisherman

Could I officiate instead? My pay will be a cut of the spoils, such that they are.

I'd also suggest taking shots of Bacardi 151 between rounds, chasing them with Schmidt (this is a fishing board, after all).

We could even parlay it into a little gambling venture...anyone fancy themselves a bookie?

Five to one 4Salt spills the Schmiddy first...seven to four on CFM for the win...unless it goes more than seven rounds, where it's even until round 10, where 4Salt's ten shots of 151 would likely improve his aim, while CFM's ten shots would likely increase his already poor eyesight. Three to one for 4Salt after ten rounds.

Who wants to run the concessions?

Fish on...

Todd.

Oh, yeah...by the way...

I like movies, and I listen to my share of music, but if celebrities starting pushing wild steelhead release mass marking of hatchery fish, I still wouldn't be too impressed.

When it comes to anything other than their chosen profession, they can all take a flying leap as far as I'm concerned.

That might be a little too harsh...perhaps I should say that their opinion doesn't matter any more than anyone else's with their background and education. I guess that means it wouldn' matter much at all...oh, well.

Fish on...

Todd.

When the big "dull" is over you guys can sit around and show off all your data to prove to each other that George Bush stole the election and Al Gore is really the president....You remember him? The inventor of the internet??? Isn't Al against hatcheries too? I think GW invented hatcheries as a plot to screw over the fly fishermen...

Damn! you guys have me in tears over hear.
duel or dull it doesnt matter I am in! I dont think It would be a good idea for me to show up bare though, It would not be fair to either side! I would be happy to be the bearer of such high tech weapons of mass destuction such as rubber bands though. I'll put all my money on cowlitz as 4salts rubber bands will probably break (too much salt).

Inteligence? Hmmm?

The smart people should be able put together the facts and see the big picture. It seems that at least 70% of the people are inteligent. The rest are led by there nose by communist anti-american propaganda.

Americans for America, not Americans for dictators or, France, Germany, Russia. Besides the unstability, weapons, and humanitarian issues in Iraq. there was some really hokie stuff going on in the U.N that would very negativly effect Americas power in world economics. Politics suck but politics exist. Our invasion of Iraq is also heading off the conspiracy against us by certain members of the U.N . There is more to a book than its cover! and yes a large part of it involves oil.
Its something you dont hear to much about in the media yet but if your listening youll see what I am talking about. The politics are being played right now.

Oh yeah? Well, let's hear you say that while yer nekked, micro.

I'm not getting bare anywhere near a couple dudes with rubber bands. I can just see where THAT would lead.....yow!

Yas need to research Einstein... Books not the net, the net is full of misinterpretations and lies.

My question: Did he make the nuke?

I've seen a few ignorant answers so far.

But for all of you anti-war people, I still have NOT heard a single good excuse as to why we shouldnt be there.

1) They attacked us, by funding the conspirators of 9/11. Is that really hard for you to understand?

2) Oil? HA! You might want to see the exact date the sanctions were put on... But I'll put a ballpark estimate at 12 years.

3) They dont want us there? Well, youre right! Houssein doesnt! But what about his people? The people who now see an eminent freedom approaching, running out and killing Iraqi soldiers. They DONT want to be freed huh?

Come on guys I'm in the mood. Send some more arguments.

BBVD - All right, I'll bite. I am against this war, don't know if I have any excuses, but I do have some reasons. Before I give them out however, one thing needs to be said - Whether or not I post something on Piscatorial Pursuits, whether I take to the streets protesting or waving flags in a Support the Troops rally, it really does not matter and it certainly will not influence the course of this war. Events have been set in motion and will continue to their logical end. My crystal ball is foggy on what that logical end is, I do believe a US military victory will be part of the picture. I wish that this was the cakewalk that was presented to us at the beginning. But one thing that I should have remembered. If you kick the door down on your neighbors house and go in without invitation, bad things may happen. Enough of that, here are my reasons:

1. There are greater threats to the US Security than Iraq. In my belief and in the order that I prioritize them is:

Al Queda or other terrorist groups that I have not heard of yet.
North Korea
Iran
Pakistan
The state of our economy and the incredibly high deficits we are beginning to run up.
Hatchery fish (just kidding)
Iraq

I believe that the United States is like any other entity be it business or government. We need to prioritize and deploy limited resources. I believe we have the wrong priority and the fact that we are deploying resources to Iraq, leaves us less secure.

2. I am very concerned the way we started this war. If we can step into the shoes of the Iraqi citizens (I don't know if I've got nearly the knowledge to do this!), one thing becomes clear. We have in fact pulled a Pearl Harbor on them. I was not alive then, but in talking with my folks and reading history, the attack on Pearl Harbor inspired significant resolve and drive in the American people. If only 10% of the Iraqi people feel this way, we are in for a long and difficult war and/or peace. This supports point #1 - I don't think we have prioritized properly.

I've got to get some breakfast and go to work. Yes, I'm against this war, yes, I love to fish, yes, I work. BBVD, I'm fairly certain that no one who disagrees with me will change their minds based on what I've written. All I can hope for is maybe some reasoned thought and reflection.

#1. Actually, there is no solid evidence that Iraq was involved with the 9/11 debacle in any way. However, there is absolute proof that some of our "allies" (Qatar) have harbored and facilitated the escape of known al Queda lieutenants.

#2. I'm admittingly too ignorant to have a real opinion on the oil issue. But I do find it interesting that Halliburton was awarded the contract for extinguishing the oil well fires by the Army without soliciting bids by any other companies. I'm sure the fact that Cheney was once CEO had nothing to do with it.

#3. According to several news releases yesterday, the Iraqi people shouted anti-American chants and slogans all-the-while taking food from the humanitarian relief trucks we delivered. Additionally, the main opposition in Iraq has stated that it's nice what we're doing, but don't hesitate to leave once Saddam is dead (paraphrased for brevity). They don't want us sticking around. Geez, at least mercenaries are paid; where does that put us?


I'm not necessarily anti-war, but I'm surely pro-peace.

Removing Saddam Heussein from power is like having rotten teeth extracted. You are not going to negotiate them out, or sanction them out. You have to call on a professional to come in and forcibly remove them with the tools designed to get the job done efficiently. The dentist isn't going to smash me in the mouth with a hammer and remove all my teeth, just the bad ones. Then he's going to pull his hands out of my mouth and let me heal. That's what it sounds like we're doing over there. I don't like going to the dentist as much as the next guy. I don't like war either, but sometimes you don't have much of a choice. Pull 'em out before they infect the ones around them.

Enough is enough!!


Now I am really mad!

While all you guys were arguing about Einstein, and worrying about "bearing" yourself, some no good tree hugging peace loving war protester broke into my bunker of RBOMD (Rubber Bans of Mass Destruction). Every single one had been frayed! After calling in the inspectors, traces of Salt were discovered! I wonder who would want to do something so evil.

The inspectors are currently analyzing the text that was written on the bunker doors. Someone left an unidentifiable message which was sprayed out in large red lettering saying "metaphor".

The inspectors believe it to be some form of secret code that encourages the terrorist who have not yet come out of there closet, to now revolt against us "hardcore" rubber band fighters! Little do they know that we had been preparing for such a terrorist attack, and that we have already taken this into our dulling strategies plan.

Because of the collateral damage concerns of the many, we are now adjusting as we go. Our plan is flexible and we had planned adjustments into my dull challenge from the very beginning. The new changes are; both Dan and Mirco will be allowed to ware shorts. In all fairness, 4Salt and his team can also where shorts. But if we allow 4Salt and his team to ware shorts, another change will have to be triggered!

All spectators now must ware dark sunglasses because of the blinding glare from 4Salts team's legs. If we don't do this, the spectators will surely think that 4Salt and his "bright minded team" are all waving "white flags". Our team is very concern about some of 4Salts "bearers".

Intelligence has it that one of 4Salts proposed bearers (Salmo G) has been seen using a small rubber raft on many of the streams (possible mining). This could give 4Salt a very unfair advantage! Measures have now been taken to commandeer Salmo's rubber duck raft and use it for backup rubber bands supplies.

Rumor has it that 4Salt has set rolls of rubber bands on fire at several different dulling locations (boat ramps). Tactic like this are against all rubber band dulling ethics and if proven to be true, they'll be prosecuted to the fullest by the world Rubber Band Council (RBC).

The dull is coming closer and to an end. Fresh supplies of new bands are on the way, and it looks like 4Salt tactics have failed...make no mistake, we will prevail!!

4Salt has already started a massive propaganda campaign, but he and his bearers will not succeed.

I will keep everyone updated as new information or intelligence arrives.


Cowlitzfisherman

Cowfisherman-

It is starting to sound like you are "stretching" the truth a little here. 4Salt and his "band" of dull fighters are incapable of such acts.

Someone broke into my armory too Cowlitz! Hmmmm, An insidious conspiracy perhaps? Why, if I didn't know better, I'd think it was probably the work of the evil WDFW. After all they are your sworn enemy, and the instigator of all that is wrong in your life. (besides me that is)

I'm thinkin' of changin' my moniker to 4Pepper. Very few seem to get the hidden "4Salt" meaning.

Truth be told, it's actually an ancient Babylonian sandscrit term meaning: "persecutor of outspoken retired fishing guides on internet bulletin boards."


How did this turn into another war thread by the way? I thought it's main purpose was to discredit and ridicule the opinion of anyone who wasn't a high-ranking member of the Bush administration? Especially those in the public spotlight?


BBVD - Ignorance concerning Einstein? You are all of about what, 14 years of age? Please elighten us about the famous physicist. Perhaps you could explain, in layman's terms so us ignorants can understand, the Special theory of Relativity. Without copy/pasting the information from another source like the article you tried to pass off as your own in your initial post. This one

Cowlitz my friend, I thought we smoked the peace pipe a week or so ago? If you were just kidding with the Einstein thing, then I fell for the bait big-time. Remember your blood pressure. There are FAR MORE IMPORTANT battles to be fought than these petty squabbles with me here. Once again, PEACE.

4Salt

My intelligence source is top secret! But I can tell you this; they did come from the same source of intelligence that gave me the information concerning the bunkers, inspectors, and the scoop about Einstein.

Dan got it, and now I hope you got it!!

Maybe there is a spy among us! Maybe it is WDFW, NMFS, or yes, even Tacoma Power!!

4Salt, we did smoke the peace pipe. All this was meant to do was to break up the tension of the war threads between our members. What is wrong with trying to do that? You really need to get a little moor humor.

Nothing wrong at all! Ya know, that's what my wife tells me too! Just when I thought I WAS being funny...

Maybe my problem IS that I don't have enough "moor" humor. The whole time I've been trying the Algerian stuff... j/k

You makin' biscuits and gravy in the morning, AM? If so, you'd be wise to take her up on that offer, cowfish.

Who? Little ol' me? I've seen you in action Aunty, you hold your own pretty well.

If you think I'm dangerous here, you should see me drive in rush hour traffic!

p.s. I thought you were married? What's hubby gonna say! <img border="0" alt="[wall]" title="" src="graemlins/wall.gif" />

you asked for one excuse as to why we should not go in. well i never thought my feelings would be summed up so perfectly by president bush but here is your reason

...to go along with the speech just given:
"We should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us, and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero . . . assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability."

--from "A World Transformed," a 1998 book
by the first President Bush.

now where are all the iraqi's that will great the soldiers with flowers? this was a giant mistake and will cost many more american lives than the soldiers you see on tv..

ps add bill gates to your list... he dropped out of college as well.

you asked for one excuse as to why we should not go in. well i never thought my feelings would be summed up so perfectly by president bush but here is your reason

...to go along with the speech just given:
"We should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us, and make a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero . . . assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerrilla war. It could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability."

--from "A World Transformed," a 1998 book
by the first President Bush.

now where are all the iraqi's that will great the soldiers with flowers? this was a giant mistake and will cost many more american lives than the soldiers you see on tv..

ps add bill gates to your list... he dropped out of college as well.

sorry about the double message. damn bill gates computers

Chappy

This is a double edged rubber sword...and is not permitted in this rubber band dull!

Anuty, I have polled my group! They have all agreed to let you be at the table and share our intelligence data. My mother told me many years ago; behind every strong man, is a stronger woman, and you know that a mother's instinct is never wrong (just look at the powers of Mother Nature!).

Choosing experts that only agree with me is a good thing. I have been known to shoot other fishermen who are in my boat that disagree with my way of thinking right in the head with my rubbers. They have all now conceded (more power to the rubbers).

You are right about 4Salt; he has already said that he may become a 4pepper! What may be next...4play? He is definitely not to be trusted. My mother also told me to never trust a switch hitter and that everything is either black or white...there is no gray! I have taken your comments seriously, and I have arranged to a have a nest of bald faced hornets at our dull. Even if he (4Salt) gets lucky with his rubbers, he will definitely feel the sting! Do not fear.

When we win, and we will win, you will be asked to prepare the feast of biscuits and gravy. I must now return to my spell check because 4Salt is still trying to get me one "moor" time! Obviously 4Salt is very skilled in street fighting. Apparently he is unaware of the power of "rural warfare", and is attempting to burn more rubber to cover up his moves. That will not help him or his gang of "smarties" from achieving our goals in the end!

The end is near, and we will prevail!


Cowlitzfisherman

I wanna be in a dull too !!! why do guys get to always be dull !!! I wanna play with a rubber band !!! W

I wanna be in a dull too !!! why do YOU guys get to always be dull !!! I wanna play with a rubber band !!! We have been dulling each other to death at work for the last week solid. This post was a nice break.

I was discharged from the rubber band force for shooting myself in the eye during a dull at work. I had to go to the hospital and everything. (sadly, a true story...try explaining that one to your boss!) I was once a great sharpshooter, able to pick off the enemy at impossible ranges. This took a good eye, really close behind the band.... until one went snap, right in the peeper. My wife still reminds me of that whenever I get too cocky. I suppose that incident will keep me from getting picked by either team... come on guys, I could wear glasses!

I never took credit for it. Just as Einstein never took credit for the nuke.

You have to bring my age into this? To minimize me, you have to use your AGE?! Thats petty.