SH..what you are describing is the
"Crocodile Syndrome"...BIG MOUTH...LITTLE EARS..................chomp chomp!!

OK....200 posts.

Have you guys beat this dead horse enough yet??

your pathetic little car has 200,000 miles on it and you still drive it??? This thread is just trying top prove that political controversy will never be won and will go on and on and on.....Try to find a fishing topic this long???

Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
Dick Morris is on a tirade in Off With Their Heads--and that’s good news. For as an experienced political consultant who has worked with both Democrats and Republicans at the highest levels of government, he knows what he’s talking about. As a result, there is much to learn from this detailed book, regardless of whether one may agree with his conclusions. Morris begins by railing against the established news media for showing blatant liberal bias and for irresponsibly undermining the war on terror as the Bush administration is waging it. With good reason, as he illustrates in many examples, he advises citizens to rely on a wider variety of sources for information and to approach the media in general with far more skepticism. (Presumably this includes his current employer, the Fox News Channel.)


Morris’ hit list is extensive, and he spares nothing in his attacks. There is a particularly fascinating chapter on Bill Clinton in which he declares that "All our terrorist problems were born during the Clinton years." Though he praises the former President’s achievements on many domestic issues, he accuses him of utter negligence in terms of national security and foreign policy. In explaining exactly why, he also offers fascinating insights into Clinton’s character and approach to policy-making that only an insider could supply. He also targets outspoken leftist Hollywood elites and crooked CEOs. Other chapters deal with the realignment of political districts and the power it affords incumbents, governors who failed to use the massive tobacco settlement for the slated purpose of funding anti-smoking campaigns, and the plight of 3.5 million nursing home residents. He saves special venom for his assessment of France.

Morris does not accuse his opponents of treason or even a lack of patriotism, only of being wrong and misguided. He is aggressive without being vicious and he backs up every claim he makes--two things that put him ahead of most other political analysts in the media (in addition to his work on Fox News, he is also a columnist for the New York Post. A well-informed and thoughtfully argued book delivered with force. --Shawn Carkonen
From Publishers Weekly
Morris is mad as hell: liberals, led by the New York Times (which is as biased as Radio Moscow, he says), are trying to prevent the Bush administration from effectively fighting the war on terror. Morris's targets are broad, his charges simplistic: the Times, under the now-departed Howell Raines, slanted coverage, spouting left-wing "propaganda," moaning about civil liberties and the economy in order to distract Americans from the main event. Bill Clinton "just didn't get" the terrorism problem...

I couldn't agree more. Especially when it comes to the GOP (Fox) News Channel.

When one broadens their information base, they will learn things like:

The prior administration gave substantial intelligence information to the Bush cabal that would have identified the Twin Towers as a target. However, because Clinton's name was associated with it, the report was ignored.

The cabal also recieved information about bin Laden on three separate occasions and could have taken him out with unmanned drones, however, intra-administration squabbles over who got credit for the kill prevented the arming of drones with warheads.

There is NO connection between Iraq and al Quadea.

Saddam was NOT responsible or involved in the attacks of 9/11.

There was NO nuclear program in Iraq.

Experts have determined that the two trailers found were used for activities such as manufacturing helium for weather balloons or perhaps refueling rockets, but NOT for chemical or biological warfare.

World opinion shows that America has lost a great deal of its credibility.

The American people were lied to by its leaders. The American media prostituted itself by glorifying those lies for ratings. (Okay, that last senctence is really just my opinion.)

40% of Americans believe we've already found WMD in Iraq. 30% believe that chemicals were used against us in the war. About 50% believe Saddam was responsible for 9/11 attacks.

I find it very scary, and unsettling, that the American people can be so easily conditioned by misinformation to believe erroneous facts. And I find it appalling that a man of self-proclaimed strong Christian faith can deliberately lie, and that lie lead to the death of thousands of people. All politicians lie, I can accept that. But when that lie leads to the death and destruction of late, that I cannot accept. Especially by a man whose platform was to bring morale integrity back to the Whitehouse.

What kind do you mean? He was building a plant, and it was well on its way until Israel bombed it. And what about the hidden crucial nuke bomb part or parts just recently found? I did hear that on FOX so i guess its just propaganda. I also heard it on CNN so it must be true. Everyones an expert these days zzzzzzzz

Sorry, I should have stated that there wasn't a current nuclear program creating an imminent threat as alluded to by Bush, et al, in numerous public addresses. By the way, that part (buried 12 years ago) was one centrifuge out of a thousand needed to enrich uranium. It was, more than likely, a template to be used should the sanctions ever be lifted and the nuke program reconstituted.

I've never claimed to be an expert (don't even play one on TV), but I do read as many opinions as possible from recognized experts to educate myself on current issues.

You know, I've tried very hard to not post on threads that don't directly address WT-related issues, but I just have to say something here. Please understand and acknowledge that I am not on the clock and am writing representing only myself and my own personal opinion.

Let me get this straight. Some of you that have posted here are the same ones who were ready to practically march on Olympia because you found out that F&W Commissioner Lisa Pelly was at one time a member of Washington Trout, but you think that it's OK for the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to LIE and/or DISTORT FACTS to justify SENDING U.S. FORCES INTO HARM'S WAY, not to mention spend biliions of dollars of the US treasury, sacrifice US credibility and stature abroad, kill thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians and tens of thousands of Iraqi conscripts, and further destabilize an already powderkeg-like situation. Is that about it?

Now THAT'S what I call clear, consistent thinking.

Sheesh.

I have not read all six pages but I just have to ask. Werent the missles being fired over kuwait wmds? I seem to remember on the news that they were not suppose to have those long range weapons, or the bunch of chemical weapons warheads they found that was also reported in the news but now it seems to be all about making bush look bad.

all i can say is bring our boys home now we are loseing to many for that damn country. lets just send bush and company over instead.

Ive got an idea. When all you Bush bashers get some real evidence that he purposely mis-led us, than flail away, ill be right besides all of you. Untill then lets contend it as alledgedly and or arguably, until the FACTS come to light as lying or perhaps WMD are possibly found.

101 just to keep things straight the war heads were supposedly stored and forgotted about. Even our government admitted that with Iraq that is very possable. Says a lot for thier record keeping right . As for the missles they are allowed a max range of 100 miles (I think, can't recall the exact range they are allowed).

The one they had to get rid of the the Al Simud (sp) the shorter range stuff was ok.

Racerdan, I don't think you quite get it. We own that country now. It is time for Pres Bush to prove what he said was true. If he can't then he is the one with the problems. So far all he has been able to show us is body bags.

I begin to fear the day my son may come home in one.

Bw,
The majority of America does get it you are the one of them that does not.

BW

Thank God for kids like yours, who will stand up and fight for America's as well as other nations rights.

Thank God they are willing to put men like Houssein out of business.

Thank you BW, and when your son returns, thank him for me as well.

Curtis

Itlcleo, you want to try that one agian . His popularity is erroding, a lot of people, even congress are starting to ask some pretty hard questions about his reasoning, and motives. In the end if he has not done a much better job of telling us the truth, he will not win in 2004.

I agree, for the most part. Although I know I'm guilty at times when something I've read particularily peeves me, it is much easier to discuss an issue when facts and emotion are kept apart.

With that in mind, here's something that bothers me. It's a known fact that the documentation Bush used concerning Iraq's nuclear program in his "State of the Union" address was forged (and poorly at that). Why then, has he not come out and demanded an investigation into how that information was passed to him? I would think it had to pass through quite a few channels before he would include it into an address to the American people. Or at least he could tell the people he regrets passing along false information. In my opinion, failure to do so makes him look guilty of lieing.

Proving that he lied will be nearly impossible; misled is a more accurate term, I think. But it's not just him. Rumsfield, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Rice are the real culprits here. Bush has done the same thing that Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, and Clinton had done before him. They abused the power of office and the trust of the American people. Nixon and Clinton were impeached for it, and they didn't even send the nation to war which cost the lives of thousands and destruction worth billions of dollars.

Just like Bush I have "gut" feelings, too. And my gut tells me something about Operation Iraq Liberation is terribly wrong.

LtlCleo-- I can't say the majority of Anericans don't get it, but a large number don't. Earlier I posted, "40% of Americans believe we've already found WMD in Iraq. 30% believe that chemicals were used against us in the war. About 50% believe Saddam was responsible for 9/11 attacks," which I'd gathered from various news sources. That shows there are a lot of Americans that "just don't get it."

Curtis (BBVD)-- I sincerely appreciate your patriotic fervor, and I feel your sentiments are well placed. And that is precisely why this issue is so important. If it turns out that the US and UK (the two most powerful and influential governments in the world) misled its own people, and the rest of the world, to invade another nation it will be much harder to gather support when a genuine threat really MAY exist.

Trusting those that have the power to send us to battle is the reason we don't need a draft or conscript service.

Spoken like a true Gentleman SilverHilton!

We need more people like you on this board. Although I have disagreed with some of what you have said in the past, I truly love a good debate and never hold a personal grudge against any one just because we disagree. When it becomes personal, that is a different matter. Debate is healthy as long as people remember that eventually we need to agree to disagree.......

Regards,

MC

So then Harley, why do folks like you (and on the GOP side too) not just admit all around that ALL TOP LEADERS ARE THE SAME????!!!
You made the comment that we could have bombed Hussein because we had info on his where abouts from the Clinton admin...... Hello? Why then didn't Mr. Bill get it done? Or the one about the fact that the Mr. Bill Hill people gave warning that the twin towers were a target....Again, Hello???? They were first hit while Mr. Bill was in office, so NS they were a target. As far as excusing intellegence in the whitehouse, I wont go there. But there was no way to really prepare for what happened on 9/11. It could have just as easily been a train that they commandeered with tanks of anhydrous ammonia and then ran them into the heart of a city, crashed them, and then many, many would die. Also, the left is now whining about "loss of freedom" in this country, but criticize the white house for not doing more to prevent the terror attack.....

We need to quit going head to head due only to party affiliation, and instead start hanging the guilty leaders for wrong doing...WHOEVER AND WHATEVER THEY ARE!! But, alas, I am only dreaming I am sure.
I am an independent, but what I do like about the Fox network is that they will most always have both views presented and then I can decide based on that, unlike most media that will portray one view and I am left to wonder..... Just my $1.49 worth....

MC

Originally, what I'd said was:

In reference to the Towers' attack, the evidence pointed to an imminent attack. It may have been hard to prevent the attack, but from reports I've read there was enough evidence that we should have known something big was about to happen. The blame doesn't necessarily point to the Bush regime, it falls mostly on the CIA and FBI not being able to play together. Their bureaucratic inability to share information with one other needs to be addressed.

The reference to bombing with drones was about bin Laden, not Hussein. The intel was presented in 2000, and in 2001 the drones still had not been outfitted with warheads. Again, this is not necessarily a Bush SNAFU as much as inter-agency squabbling, this time between the CIA and the Pentagon.


I openly admit that I don't completely trust any politician. I firmly believe they will tell you whatever you need to hear to further their own agenda. I listen to every one of them with a bit of skepticism.

I agree whole-heartedly with you on not attacking one another over party lines. I, too, believe we should punish whom ever is responsible for wrong-doing regardless of their political affiliation. And in this case I strongly believe the Bush adminstration has committed some serious wrongs that should be investigated, and subsequently punished if my suspicions are correct.

I just learned the actual reason why Bush decided to invade Iraq, and it has nothing to do with oil or WMDs. This is an excerpt from an Israel newspaper (via a Russian newspaper) reporting on the meeting between Bush, Abbas (Palestinian Prime Minister) and the head of the Hamas concerning the "Roadmap to Peace."
Cool, eh? Evidently, though, the Pope didn't get the memo. If I remember correctly, the Pope was opposed to the war. Seems to me the leader of the Catholic Church would be pretty close to God and would get, at least, a courtesy copy of any instructions He gave to Bush. Pretty amazing, IMHO, that Bush would have a closer relationship with God than the majority of clerics in the entire free world.

Sure hope he can end all that bloodshed in the Middle East soon; I'd hate to see it interfere with his re-election effort, and all. :rolleyes:

Funny thing, too, about some of the other guys in history that have used the "God told me to" excuse, most of them were eventually incarcerated... or institutionalized.