GH,

Although I vehemently disagree with Bush on his adventure in Iraq - I would caution you to do some due diligence on this quote. I'm surprised that this has not come out before now and that makes me suspicious as to its authenticity. If it's true, we have a much bigger problem than I thought. Can you post a link?

On another note - I hope everyone has a wonderful and safe 4th of July. It is symbolic of our freedom to be able to have this discussion openly. I love my freedoms and I love my country.

ya right if bush said that it would be all over the news. were did you read that on the internet?

Harley,

Do you hate GOD? Is that why you hate President Bush so much because he says he's a man of GOD?

This has nothing to do with hating God. That is the problem. The Whitehouse has taken great pains to say this war has nothing to do with religion. And just about everytime Pres Bush opens his mouth he seems to contradict that.

And now he is telling the Iraqi people to "Bring em on".

I have to tell you sometimes I really wonder how smart he is. Even our military is a little put out with that remark.

P.S, I really don't think he said God made me do it.

Here's the link to the article. Russian Article It's the second instance I've seen of that quote, but the first I'd seen a complete article reference it. If it was just the Russian paper I'd be very skeptical of it, but referencing the Israeli paper lends more credence, I think. But then, again, who knows in today's world of media spin.

I searched the Isreal paper (Haaretz) and couldn't find anything. So, it could be BS. But it is rather entertaining, none the less.

Here's another link to the same quote. Toronto Star


Maguana, I am so intune with God you wouldn't understand. Besides, my affiliation with a supreme being is not the issue here. Someone possibly letting the little voices in his head dictate policy is the issue. Try to stay focused.

I think we need to see if we can set a BB record here for length of a post..... First off,
Huh!??
Oh, those Israeli's are such honest people. That is why they have disclosed and admitted to having Nukes (had em since the 50's), and that they have "The Sampson Option" as one of their dictates. I think I'll wretch now.
Secondly, I doubt GW would ever say that to a person that would quote it in a paper.... As far as the comment that it is scary a "world leader" would listen to little voices and say "God told me to do it", let's talk about the Pope for one. He has a lot more hold on the world than GW, and he says all the time that God told him to do it, or say it. Why, he even told the Mexican people on his last trip there (You know, the country so over-populated that they cant feed all their own) that God did not want them to use birth control. Now THAT is a scary thing for someone of such power to say. Makes me wonder what kind of common sense God would make a comment like that, when children are starving because their parents have 11 of them.......... Keep it going, this is getting fun....

MC :p

Master Caster, It is clear that you know nothing about the teachings of the Catholic religion.

You are just like the people you are trying to discredit, twisting a statement around so it will fit your point of view.

The POPE nevers says that God told him to do or say anything. I am a CAtholic and more than a bet on a historian and I can tell you that has not happened.

You know in all the time I have been on this board I have yet to attack anyone, till now.

This will be my last post on this, As there seems to be just a few here that don't know their arse from a hole in the ground on this subject.

BW, I apologize since it is apparent I insulted you. That was not the intent. I also was raised Catholic, and I assure all readers that the belief in religeous sects, including the Catholics, Mormons, etc. believe that their leaders do get "divine inspiration" directly from God. This you cannot deny, and it is tantamount to "God told me so". I was trying to make the point that if a religeous leader makes that statement, or infers it, the majority do not think twice. If a layperson or official makes that kind of statement, we automatically assume they must be nuts...... I watched the Pontif's mass speech in Mexico, and he did state that God did not want his followers to use birth control (not a word for word quote) which I thought was irresponsible to say, since poverty reigns supreme in that country due to the family size/income ratio....... Again, I did not mean to offend, it is just what I feel and things I observe......

MC

If you can admit that Al Gore never said "I invented the internet", I will admit the President was misquoted. However, the media will continue to steamroll a story, true or not.

MC; I'm with you on the birth control and Catholicism issue. Doesn't make much sense, much like the current issue of preaching abstinence to the Africans. Yeah, like that'll work.

However, the Pope doesn't command a nuclear-equipped military, so the guidance he begets from prayer is a little more benign.

When I mentioned the Israel paper lending credence to Bush's quote, that was merely in a relative way. Given an Israel paper versus a Palestinian paper or Al-Jazheer, my bet would go with the Israeli paper.

More than likely, Bush was mis-quoted, or it lost its original context through translation. Sadly that doesn't really matter. Those in the Middle East will read it, believe it, and the damage is done.

Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfield all have a problem with speaking before thinking. But I guess Rove can't be everywhere at once.

I'm thinking we can get 8 pages out of this.

Good post Harley, couldn't agree more with you (big deal right.. LOL)
The points you make are very good. The AlJazeera thing really drives my point home. No matter what religeon (some worse than others), people follow so blindly and believe that all their clerics say is straight from God's will...... Why do you think that religeous leaders refer to their believers as "their flock"..... Baa Baaahhhh...

MC

After fishing for over a week and not seeing a newspaper or a news program on tv and not reading anything on the internet I feel quite content. A large group of people got together for a week at Neah Bay and we didn't bring up politics once. Isn't that great! This long , overworked thread only illustrates that political viewpoints are set in stone and one side can only taunt the other side and criticize the other side but never change the minds of the other side. One side gloats over their set of "facts" while the other side presents its own "facts" that prove the opposite is true.

After being away doing what I love most, fishing with friends, and coming back and scanning this thread I can only conclude that it is a stupendous waste of time.

MC I also must apologize. My wife had just gotten burned by some fireworks and I was not in the best of moods. But I stll should not have made the remark I did. I am sorry about that.

I think I better stick to fishing posts.

Accepted, as I hope mine was. That attitude (being able to apologize) is what separates men from idiots....... Grandpa, I agree that this thread has gone on a long time, but when people can talk and agree to disagree, apologize when necessary (such as the gentleman above did), and LISTEN at the very least to all involved, then discussions such as this can be very productive and rewarding. I now feel that although BW and I may not agree on all points, that I would be happy to share a cold one and a day of fishing with him..... And probably be able to call him friend. How can that be a negative thing??

Hats off to you BW.......

MC

When it comes to apologizing, MC better step up, or be an idiot. :p

I recall receiving a PM saying "KISS MY A$$ for disagreeing with MC. :rolleyes:

Aunty

More wood is not always needed on the fire.

I enjoy a thread like this for a number of reasons. Mostly it's because I consider those that contribute to this board my friends because we share a common interest in fishing. When I read posts by others on other topics it gives me an insight to that individual's personality. Therefore I can better understand where they are coming from when making political posts.

What's happened internationally in the last year, and how it affects us locally, is a significant issue. I can't think of better people to discuss it with than friends. A friend can call me an idiot for having certain political ideals and still be welcomed on my boat any day.

For some perverse reason, I clicked on this dumass thread again - I guess to see how the mudslinging was going.

Anyway, I'm glad I did.

So you see grandpa, minds can be changed. You have come around to my way of thinking regarding participating in these BS topics.

It just took a few fish to get you to see the light.

Aw come on, it's no more meaningless than talking about baseball. Ooops, this could start a whole new argument.

Actually, that's a good point, BW.

If I wanted to talk serious baseball, I'd go to a baseball BB.

If I'm looking for a quality political discussion, I don't go to a fishing BB.

Eh?


PS: Can you believe the size of that hog on the "Fishing with THE REALLY BIG ONE" thread?