I have decided to try my own approach, to resolve the Snagger, and the thief Story. I drove to the Quilcene river today. I had a few thoughts as to what my day was going to end up like. I took precautions to avoid any severe problems. I took with me the rods of choice that were borrowed from a snagging SOB, Who has no clue as to what a father is obligated to provide his children. Morals,Values, and right and wrong...And In this case Respect for a precious resource.
I took my 9mm, I have had a CWP for 7 years and never once even contemplated taking it from my side. I value and respect life and the loss of it. I took my cell,WDFW Regs, and this note was placed on the bank where the rods were borrowed from with the rods and the regs, and my name and home phone number..

Dear Sir,
As you already know these rods were taken from this same spot last week. I have decided to return them to you for one reason and one reason only. I am not acting out of guilt for taking them, nor do I think that you deserve to have these rods and enjoy the sport of fishing for salmon in this state. It is a not a right to enjoy our resources but a privlidge. With that comes a simple rule you must follow you owe it to me,my kids, your kids, and every person in this state.
RESPECT WHAT YOU HAVE.. **** you live on a river choked with fish your a lucky guy why ruin it by going to jail,having your gear taken, and putting yourself in physical danger, and most of all teaching your kids that this is ok to do. It is not. The Quilcene is fish full but what if your kids move away and live on the banks of the HoH,Sol Duc, Kalama,Hoko Physt, Green, Yakima,etc,etc, The point being not every river can afford to be raped by people like you. You would be surprised at what a few snaggers,poachers,in the right place at the right time can do to a resource that is fragile. You may not be aware of fish related issues and that is your choice, however like you were teaching your kids Its my turn to teach you a lesson.
I have secured your name,address,river location, and provided WDFW with pictures of your gear and a statement regarding what I saw you do,What you said, and what actions I took. I have provided you with a copy of the regs in your area,Phone ##, for questions, and a bill for half the gas money i spent driving out to your town to deliver gear you dont deserve to have. If I ever see you out on this river,any river teaching kids to snag fish, poach,rape the resource you dont own I will make it my life long goal to ruin any chance you have of fishing,snagging again in this state. Consider this a promise not a threat.
I will close with an offer to take you or you and your kids on a fishing trip to the coast where you can show your kids how to catch fish the right way, and teach them to respect the resource they are lucky enough to have in this state.
Those are the reasons I borrowed your gear....

NICE

it will be interesting to see if the phone rings

I would love to see that guys expression
or attitude after getting that letter.
The best part is, if he takes the letter even a bit serious he will think twice before snaggin now. He will not know whos watching or what they might do.

Were his kids old enough to read? It would be cool if the snagger's kids found the note before he did.

good job. probably a great lesson for him. did you put the letter in a water proof bag. hopefully it didnt get too wet to read

herm

Not ass good as kicking his ass but I do like it.

LOL@TOM...i love your posts all 3 times on this subject..its to funny!!!

Snapper, that was a class move. If he takes you up on your offer , it should make for one hell of an interesting day....I'd keep that 9mm handy in case he reverts to his old ways!! Chrome

i have never seen some one snagg a fish while I ws fishing tht did not throw it back. But once on my way home the guy in front of me in a covertable caddy throw his big glup out the window. I picked it up and followed him to the next stop sing and parked infront of him. I got out and walked up to his car with the big gulp and handed it back to him " you dropped this try putting it in your own trash" and I walked to my truck and drove home. You can watch and whine or you can do something. Now I would not have done it with my kid in the car for safty reasons, but I would with the wife (shes good with a shatter gun).

That's cool !!Hope he uses them the right way .

Snapper, That is a *****in move on your part! I take my hat off to you and now I hope people will get off your case!
Craig

Good for you!!! That is the right way to teach thouse poachers a lesson!!!

I took my 9mm, I have had a CWP for 7 years and never once even contemplated taking it from my side

Not sure why the need to carry a gun. Seems like a recipe for disaster. Since you left a note with a bill, and an offer, I will look forward to another update. This is better than survivor..

Thanks to all who responded to my post. to answer the few questions that were posted.
My phone has not been ringing with a quilcene number on my caller ID.
#2 I took my firearm with me because I often do when I travel away from my home area to fish. Dont think I was going all that way and not go trekking around for new fshing holes. I also would be dumb to not anticipate a potential problem if I were to run into this guy and a few friends who would be thinking about the movie Deliverence with Burt Reynolds Soooeeeeyyyy Boyyyyy. I said I value life and mine is #1on the list...
#3 The note was put into a waterproof box that was protected.
and obvious.
I will post any news that comes up...

P.S. I retrieved those rods from a youth organazation that takes kids on trips sometimes fishing. In return I donated a check for $100.00 to be used for the kids next trip.....

Good move Gettnsnapper, nice follow up to a nasty situation. Everyone should be so inclined to do something at times like that, anything ( in reason) would be better than some of the "I don't want to get involved" attitude that i have seen. Should we ever cross paths i will give you $10.00 to pay my share of the money that you spent to get back those rods and to show my solidarity in our cause to uphold our values and protect our resourses, Brovo.....Fishy..............

Be carefull, he packs...

A BIG GUN, And he takes the law into his on hand. Gotta watch those guys who pack because they are always right? Wrong!!

Gotta watch who you fish around for it could be your Judge, Jury and Executioner.

Must make you feel like being a Hatchery Fish God or some all mighty Deity.

From a snagger post to a cary a gun post. Give me a flipping break.

Great job Snapper. I also would have been packing, and often do when going into remote/new areas.

The guy could of shown up ready to do bodily harm. Would it be better if Snapper got the shiiiat kicked ut of him? Or have a tool that could be used to whatever extreem deemed neccesary to disolve the situation.

Again, hats of to you Snapper.

How would Snapper know or anticipate whether this guy might jump him, slit his throat and toss him in the river?? You anti-gun guys, the two that posted only not all of you, can't somehow see he was only preparing to defend himself, not take a man's life over some fish. As is his right, he was preparing himself for a potentially dangerous situation. His weapon could have been the only thing to save his life, and everyone elses for that matter. Nobody knows what is the condition of this guys mental state except for him. To say that there needs to be better screening for a CWP only shows you don't have one. Since Snapper does, he probably also is well versed in the laws that apply to concealing a weapon and knows full well how to legally handle a situation. How are you all so certain the guy at the river has a permit to carry a weapon, or gosh, like 90% of people who own a handgun maybe he doesn't have one at all? Maybe he may have shot this guy for bringing back his property.

I think Snapper was only doing this because so many people here jumped on his **** for doing what he felt was right. Now you jump his **** for correcting his actions?? Unbelievable. Mr. Snapper, I for one applaud your efforts to at least do something. Most people would never even have said anything in the first place. The biggest hippocrit is the one that does nothing when faced with the situation he *****es about all the time.

Good for you snapper,Hopefully he will learn from this and his kid's learn a little also.
Good luck,
STRIKE ZONE

He needed a gun! He was dealing with a known law breaker. Oh yeah, I guess he was a known law breaker too. Well he did need to defend himself. After all, he shouldn't have been too surprised if the landowner thought he was coming back to steal something else. The landowner needed a gun to protect himself from a known thief, (If a man will steal your property in broad daylight then retrun to the scene of the crime he must be pretty brazen. I would want a gun when meeting this guy.) The thief needed a gun to protect himself from somone who mihgt take the law into his own hands, like he had.

Looks like everyone needed a gun. Like my lifetime NRA member friend says, "We will be a lot safer when everyone has a gun."

damn...i see the inbreeding rednecks from Warshington are comin outta the wood work now...why dont u just plug the kids too snapperhead while ur at it...then u can have the river all to urself...a man with no unit and a fish is better than a man with no unit...anyone who supports this guy should be shipped to Darrinton. I swear its gotta be the fall-out from Mt St Helens with u guys that has affected ur thinkin.

You guys are really a bunch of suckers!!!

You're taking his bait again, and he just keeps feeding you guys more and more line!

Cowlitzfisherman

CFM

"u" is a letter not a f@#$king word. And the teachers want more money?

How about suggesting that Mr. Snapper go to the authorities and admit his crime or wrong (theft) and have them return items to the victims. This is not about being anti gun or any of that crap, it's about thinking rationally, especially if one has a CWP. Not asking to much of people that choose to bring Gun's into the fishing arena.

I am sure the authorities in charge of issuing CWP's, would have grave concerns, if presented this senario. They don't expect the carrier to creat situations in which they gets to kill people that they ***** about on a fishing board. I would choose to find another hole before killing over an Ol Hatchery Boot.

Personally, I only pack if their is a chance that a Grizzly will have me for dinner, not to play God or Law Enforcement officer. Snapper created the danger in the first place by commiting a crime against this guy. How do we teach our children responsibility if the Snagger's or Snapper's want act responsibly? Poor kids!

Again, I submit that the best course of action after the theft, would be to go to the authorities and have them help in righting this wrong. There would be no reason for a CWP or Weapon. Why? Because you would have a Police escort or they would return it themselves, with an explanation or apology provided by you.

I am, by no means an Anti Gun person. I just choose to respect and try having a greater understanding of the reponsibilities carrying a Gun entails, as well as the impact on ones life. I Still think, there should be better screening and education regarding CWP's, as indicated in the above senario.

Who knows, this tread could save someone life out on the water or else where. Sometimes, we need to check our Ego's in at the door, in order to learn and grow as responsible adults.

I honestly believe that anger and guns are a bad mixture. I am not anti-gun but cannot accept the need for a concealed hand gun in this scenario. I think education and accountability need to come into play here. If there was a fear factor I would say it had its roots in guilt. Guilt caused by realizing that punshing a lawbreaker by breaking the law was a poor choice. If I honestly feared for my life I would take my 7 shot Winchester pump with OO buckshot. Nothing concealed. I wouldn't do it because I understand that I would be the one in jail and the dirtbag would sue me and win. And before you start to flame understand that I have walked the walk and talked the talk in a past life. I prefer negotiation to confrontation nowadays. (except for poilitics).

Grandpa2 : I know you don't much care what I think, but I think that post was right on target. Good on ya!

Surecatch...don't assume...it makes and A$$ out of U and Me. We don't agree on some things but all is not lost. You never know we might even get along if we kneww each other. Some of by best friends are hopeless liberals.

gettnsnapper, something smells a little fishey here. 9-15-2003 topic what quil are you talking about and 10-15-2003 topic look daddy i can snag like you. kinda strange that both threads you put up talk about halibut -sturgeon rods 40lb test and fathers that are teaching kids to snag by the way its not a good idea to talk about cwp permits if indeed you have one. c does stand for concealed doesnt it?

Wooooo!

It smells a little fishy in here...

And I ain't scared

Hmmmmm wasn't the river a bit high and fast on the 19th to wade across to the same exact spot from which those rods were taken?

Grandpa2: That old tired saw about "assume" drives me nuts. We all have to assume things every day of our life. It's a cute saying but totally nonsensical. Were the word spelled diffrently no one would make cute remarks about assuming. I assume the sun will rise, the river will flow downhill, that we need to drive on the right, that conservatives will defend Bush and liberals will defend Clinton. Sure, some assumption turn out to be wrong, but we have to have a starting point.

Now that I have that rant off my chest, I will say it's possible we could get along. My best friend is as conservative as one can get. He is a lifetime member of the NRA, gave generously to shrub’s campaign and thinks Rush is a prophet. We get along only because we each recognize that someone can disagree with us without automatically assuming they are and idiot, and we both recognize that liberals and conservatives have flaws and often make mistakes. We also find that life is better if we do not discuss politics.