Reading..........



And reading.........


Still reading...........


Hey CFM, is there a condensed version.

Hmmm, lets see.

We'll draft our own plan. If there's any oppisition to the plan, we can exclude them from from participating because we dont have to negotiate with anyone who doesn't agree with the plan.

Then lets set the trigger levels to an unatainable mark, and make sure there's a plan in place to control the levels so we never have to mitigate that.

And since hatchery fish cost us money, lets figure out a clever way to cut that back @20% each year.

And since it's so obvious what we're doing, lets put out a 175 page report to the public. We can release a realistic version to ourselves.


And lets make customers, residents, and sport fishers pay for all of it while we rake the coin.


one more thing, lets raise rates too. Damm this is fun. Hope those Liberals stay around for a while. Man lets draw up more plans, this is working great.


WARNING!! Before reading the 175 page document, the Sergoen General advises you lube well to avoid ripping and tearing.


Sonamonabiatchy ...........

25) The WDFW shall minimize the number of hatchery adults remaining to
potentially spawn with wild fish through removal of hatchery fish at
sufficiently high harvest and/or trapping rates.


this is about as far as I could get before the lightbulb went off.

AS I posted once before, Billy Frank said to me "If it weren't for the hatcheries there would be no fish at all."

And several years ago, when I asked my high school football coach and fishing mentor why he had quit fishing, his reply.."I don't want to be known as the guy that caught the last salmon."
That statement is starting to make sense to me now.

just more babble, I guess, might be time to go in search of litlcleo

Yep! When Tacoma and gang get done with the Cowlitz and they get to do what is proposed in the FHMP, this will be what you will be using for bait!

ahhh

3/8" x 2 1/2" galvinized?

Maybe brass up the a$$ would fit the bill?

Cowlitz, we've all been screwed so often now I am and surprised were not all wearing depends!

Hey Cowlitz, is that 900,000 pounds of released smolts or returning adults?

That's released smolts/ fry ...the whole works!

4Salt subtract 530,000 from 900,000

It, really 370,000 less pounds of smolts/fry

Cowlitzfisherman

I believe ya Cowlitz! I wasn't questioning your math, I just wasn't sure what the 900,000 / 650,000 / 570,000 etc. represented.

Noble effort cowlitz but have you considered spreading the word beyond this board? Yes, we all need/should do our part but you have the knowledge base and are the best versed on the issue.

What about a well-worded, not-to-lengthy letter to the outdoor writers of The Columbian, Seattle Times, Seattle-PI, Tacoma News Tribune, The Oregonian and The Daily Olympian since most of the cowlitz crowd are from these regions?

I hate to be a pessimists but it sounds like minds have been made up and the damage done. What really haunts me is all those cowlitz regulars will now be heading to the coast........heck,it's already happening.

Very sad. I always enjoyed catching those cowlitz summer-runs.

CFM,

I first want to assert that I don't have any interest in the Cowlitz fishery, other than perhaps its impacts on the rest of the Columbia River and its tributaries recoveries of wild steelhead. I only fish there twice a year, and it's not that big of a deal to me.

I do, however, have an interest in sportfishermen having viable opportunities to fish, catch fish, and harvest hatchery fish. I also know that the Cowlitz fishery is a spot where a lot of people do get those opportunities.

That being said, I'm going to ask you some questions that I don't know the answer to, since I'm not up at all on the situation down there, and I know you very much are up on the situation.

Not taking sides...just asking questions!

Under the old license agreement...

1. What was Tacoma Power required to do?
2. What did they do to satisfy those requirements?
3. How did they do meeting those requirements (or not meeting them)?

Under the new license agreement...

4. What are they required to do?
5. What are they going to do to meet those requirements?
6. How will those actions do at meeting the requirements?

And lastly...

7. Are the new requirements less or more than they were required to do under the first agreement?

8. If the requirements did change, more or less, were the changes required by law, created by negotiation, or based on something else?

Without having to read all the documentation, if you could fill me in on this stuff it would bring me up to speed very quickly, and then I could form some opinions about what's going on.

I think it would help everyone else to have this information, too.

Thanks, in advance, Bob, for your help and enthusiasm regarding this program. I know I just asked for a lot of information, but I'm sure I could get it from someone as informed as you are more quickly than any other way. With the answers to those questions I'll be able to form some sort of viable opinion as to what is going on down there.

Fish on...

Todd.

Todd

As an attorney, you know what kind of "load" you just dumped onto me. You know what research is needed to answer your questions that you have just given to me. I am not the world's best typist and what you have asked will take me away from preparing my comments on the FHMP, which are due on the Feb. 12th. That may sound like a lot of time, but I am also helping our attorney prepare our comment on the draft BiOp at the same time That I am writing this reply. I know that you know what I am saying!

I will give it my best shot and try to have your answers out by tonight or tomorrow morning. I hope that you will understand my dilemma that I am in right now. Your questions defiantly deserve an answer and I will try to get back to as soon as possible.

Cowlitzfisherman

Eric

It is hard, if not impossible to be a one man battalion!

I have posted this same issue on one other board besides this one. Many of there members fish or guide on the Cowlitz, and many are also members here. Every time anyone tries to get in touch with the papers, Tacoma sends out there goon squad with the big bucks to back them up. Tacoma news Tribune wrote a fairly good article about 4 or 5 months ago warning of what's to come. They talked to Tacoma's goon squad biologist and he painted a real rosy picture of what a great job that these butts have done.

A friend of mind wrote a big reply back, but as far as I know, the Tacoma News Tribune did not or would not print it. Most of my personal efforts are to inform the fishermen that he is getting screwed! I don't ask for much funding, so my group (CPR-Fish) has very limited funds to make the public aware of what is happening to the Cowlitz. I try to do the best that I can for the everyday fishermen, but I can only do so much and I run out time, money, and hope! And it's just about in that order that it occurs! I can tell you that Tacoma is holding a public meeting on Feb. 5. Tacoma Power is planning an open house-style drop-in public briefing on Thursday, February 5, 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. at the Elks Lodge, 2501 N.E. Kresky Ave. in Chehalis.

If you guys want to keep the crowds from swamping your favorite spots, it would behoove you to come to this meeting and tell Tacoma how screwed up the new Cowlitz FHMP realty is. That is something that we all can do, with little cost to us. We will carry the "sword" when it comes to knowing "the facts", but we do need a small army of soldiers to let them know that we mean what we say.

Will you and others join our army? Even if you don't like to fish the Cowlitz for what ever reason you can think, do want the herds of these fishermen falling upon your special honey hole?

Come to the meeting on Feb 5 and stand behind our sword!

They will have to listen to us, if they like it or not. NUMBERS DO COUNT!!!!


Cowlitzfisherman

Thanks, Bob, I appreciate your effort...

It doesn't have to be super-detailed, just a sketch of the answers to give me somewhere to start when I do my own research.

Good luck with your efforts down there...like you said, even if I don't fish the Cowlitz, I don't mind that 500 other people are on the days I'm somewhere else!

Fish on...

Todd.

CFM, Todd & others who care about the fish i love & the sport I'm passionate about........ a BIG thanks for all you do.

CFM, where is the meeting to be held?

Todd, what about the Feb 5th meeting in Oregon City for the Springer Allocation on the CR? What do you know about that & is their public testimony allowed.

I had planned to be available on that day so I would like to know where my time will be best spent.

Thanks.
Jim

Bob,

Thanks so much for your time in getting this posted...I also thank you for sending me the settlement agreement via e-mail.

I'm heading out of town in about five minutes, so I haven't been able to read any of it yet, but I will on Sunday or Monday.

Thanks, again!

Fish on...

Todd.

Your welcome Todd!

I hope this information will get a few others attention too.

Cowlitzfisherman

CFM,
What's the latest on this?

Thanks in advance for your hardwork deciphering the text in the FHMP.

Thanks CFM...I'll be there! Screw them sons a biactches!!!