Homer - you just gave up my favorite spot on the river.

FCTS- Once I'm up 4 or 5 to zero you can fish your "own" eggs... Not the Ultimate Egg Cure... :p Then I'll still whoop ya 4:1 with that!!

Let's not forget a summer run is a summer run no matter where you go in this world, they all like the same thing.. The only thing that differs is just conditions, but "knowing" is the key to success no matter the river.

Yes I don't venture off the Lewis much, but why should I... I can count on one hand the times the boat has been skunked in the last 3 years. It's planted well and with low water conditions a lot of people are scared of the river, the shallow riffles and 7 foot wide spots that are 2" deep... Then when you have higher water years sure there are lots of people but it's rare to find someone who can read "big" water, so they miss all the fish anyhow...

When I do venture off the lewis into the smaller streams you're odds would get worse as far as I see it. One cast with eggs presented "properly" and it's over. Heck we've had 20-25 fish (summer run) days in water that was 200 cfs and 61 degrees... Good luck with your pink worm there! I could just see it hit the water and all the fish headed out the tailout....

Could I catch fish on a pink worm, Sure... But I like #'s (big #'s) and if I'm going to pay $2.50 a gallon right now I'm going to get the best bang for my buck!
Keith

I'll give it to ya on the 200 CFS thing. If that's the case your egg logic makes sense. You wouldn't see me throwing the wormie in those conditions. That is why I am proposing the "Battle of Blue Creek." If you're not worried about which river system we fish and are 100% confident in your ability to win this "battle" then why not? By June/July the Cow will probably be running somewhere between 2500 - 2900 or so...... That would give us equal odds wouldn't it? Or are you worried that in higher water that your arse will get spanked by four inches of plastic
The pink worm isn't ideal for ALL conditions. However, in a river that is flowing at a decent rate I am sticking to my guns that cuttie's wormie will outfish the eggs..... Gotta be fair here..... Am I worried or breaking down... Absolutely not.... But if you take me to aquarium like water with a flow of 200 CFS I will admit ---- you've got an edge.
May the best bait win!

Hey, Keith!

Why don't you guys run your sled all the way up the Wynoochee? It would be an interesting twist to the competition if you guys had to dodge bullets while casting between all the bumper boats!


Fish on...

Todd

They will get to fish, and I will get to play Bow Gunner.

"Get some! You want some, too? Get some!"



"Get some!"

"Parker, how can you shoot insane old women and flossers?"

"Easy! Don't lead them as much!"



"Get some!"

Cutty,
Are you kidding? Please say you are. 10-15 out of a driftboat? Is that straight boondoggin or anchoring too? If its straight boondoggin I gotta call bullsh** on that one. As an avid cow fisher last summer 10-15 were good numbers out of a sled...even for the guides. (Yeah I know Parker and Keith we're all a bunch of rooks ).
I guess when all the guides read this thread they'll be trading in their sleds for DB's and corkies/eggs for pink worms :rolleyes:

RL

PS When did summer steelheading turn into a bass tournemant?

Parker great quote from an all time favorite, Full Metal Jacket!

Anyhow Cutt, sure the Cow gets lots of fish but with higher water I've seen it many times where you have to wait in line to make a drift and I'll pass on that... Can I catch fish there, sure, no problem... I know there is a lot of water on the Cow to fish but I can't justify driving 1 hour to fish a river that has more pressure and nearly the same amount of fish... The lewis fishes exactly the same just a little lower, the water temps are nearly equal and same with water color... Heck I think you'd have a better advantage fishing the lewis as there will be less spooked fish from all the idiots running over the top of them...

You make the call, I can catch fish anywhere. But there is no reason to leave the lewis when double digits in consistent from June 15th on...
Keith

Keith,

parker's probably the kind of guy who'd break a guy's Loomis and not even have the common decency to give him a reacharound.

And we're just going to refer to Tony as "Private Pyle" from now on. I hear he keeps a jelly donut in his foot locker.

Rock,
That includes anchoring as well but mostly straight boondoggin. Remember, this is between 2 guys as well..... I can HONESTLY say that we averaged 10-15 fish per trip...... Did we land all of those fish? No.... But they were hooked.....
I can remember the best day we had last year was 17 fish between the two of us (10 were mine ). Yes, we fished hard but to be honest, most of the hook ups occured while boondoggin. Why do you think I'm so passionate about the worm's effectiveness? Call BS if you want but thats the honest truth.....
Cutte

OK....This I HAVE to see for myself. Drop me an email or PM in June...you got a seat in my boat. If you put up those kinds of numbers .... Ill bow down to Cutty and the pink worm, no questions asked.

Tight Lines
RL

OK so the Cowlitz is likely loaded with fish.. All this is making me wierd out a bit, to tell you the truth. To have someone so persistent about a WORM!! Will I ever switch no, but when I have crackers aboard it would be nice to just rig them up old stinky pinky and never have to bait them....

It will be a interesting trip, but I'll stick to my odds 6:1.... I don't know how you'd get close to that....
Keith

Hey Dan,

I think I'd REALLY be worryin' if all of a sudden you started hearing "Me so horny... Me love you long time!"

As I know you know, there's a lot to confidence in what you fish with and expirence with your gear. I suspect both you and Cuttie do just fine. But . . . an egg tosser should NOT be calling my pet worms stinky. At least the worms don't turn your rod handle into a mess of pink goo that makes it look like you killed a racoon with it. And, my worms smell downright purty compared to a mess of dead fish guts.

Ok enoughn jibberish I think to make this a fair battle a neutral boat with a neutral skipper would be more realistict therefore I will offer up may services and sled just to put this to rest !!! rods ready ,cast!!!PEACE

Fastwater, one thing I'd love to do is run into a non-guide fisherman that has a sled that I could feel confident with... I mean confident in the actual presentation. Other than casting and putting bait on your hook, it's the captains duties to put you into fish and keep you in them yet not on top of them... I could tell you in 2 drifts whether or not you are one of these people I'm talking about.... I only know one guy that runs a boat good enough for me to feel comfortable off the tiller, but he's a x guide...

Presentation is so important for big # fish days... That's why I have a tough time giving up the tiller.

Keith

Ask anybody that knows me I get my fish plus a few as you just said it is not just your bait!!!

What sort of sled do you run, motor size and how big??
Keith

16ft. superlite with a 90, had five summers to the boat yesterday in the cow not a bad day considering I only saw two others caught all day!!!!PEACE

Hey, FCTS, Stlhdr1 gave you a 6-1 favor and you're still trying to hide at Blue Creek?

The summer flows of the Lewis don't favor one over the other. Not too sure where this "200 CFS" keeps coming up from. Try 1200 CFS. Even at that, the Lewis is plenty big enough for a plastic, let alone a bait.

Show up on the Lewis and let's see what the worm can do. If you get spanked, you can always schedule a re-match.

Heck, at 6-1 odds, all you gotta do is floss a couple of steelies with the pink worm and Stlhdr1 is a hurting unit!

Double Heck - at 6-1 odds, I bet *I* could outfish Stlhdr1!

I like the confidence of Cutts and Sthd1. I'd say pick a somewhat neutral river, because Sthd1 knows every rock on the Lewis and Cutts proabably the same for the Cow, So i say Skykomish! Last week of June, you got prime time kings and summers movin in pods.... Water will be at medium height, snow runoff stil hangin on, transleucent green, kings rolling in back eddies, chrome summers in all the usual slots...
Pink worm would work perfect in those conditions and obviously eggs too.

Everything even, let the best presentation win??????