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#250290 - 07/27/04 04:03 PM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
Kramer Offline
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Registered: 08/24/00
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What is the biggest issue here that divides sport fishermen? Is it because the tribal netting will continue? Is it because there are healthy runs in some river systems and blindly closing isn't the answer to solving the problem?

I'm asking because I've seen the head-butting going on for quite some time and just want to better understand. Both sides I've mentioned above have valid points, I'm just not sure what the right answer is. I surely don't think it's right to continue to net, nor do I agree with blindly setting restrictions.

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#250291 - 07/27/04 04:32 PM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
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Every system that is in trouble right now was"healthy" once.
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#250292 - 07/27/04 05:13 PM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
ROCK Offline
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Registered: 08/14/03
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Loc: Between 2 Mountains
Quote:
Originally posted by Jerry Garcia:
Every system that is in trouble right now was"healthy" once.
But does that deserve a blanket ban on the rivers that are healthy."NO"
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#250293 - 07/27/04 05:17 PM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
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Props to Gutz for saying, maybe just a touch more gently, my exact unposted thoughts.

...and another thing, purely semantic.

Why on earth isn't 'the' capitalized?

Perhaps its just me this is bugging?
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#250294 - 07/27/04 05:26 PM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
Theking Offline
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Registered: 10/10/03
Posts: 4756
Loc: The right side of the line
"What is the biggest issue here that divides sport fishermen?"


The real issue is that we are fighting over scraps of what is left because of years of poor management, devlopment , commercial fishing unfavorable legal rulings for the fish . The tragedy is that we can only make one right choice to counter the above historical impacts and that choice is conservation yet some still want their share of almost nothing. That share will ultimately lead to nothing for everyone.
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#250295 - 07/27/04 05:41 PM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
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As steelhead have a wandering factor that can be 15-20%" healthy" systems can help seed the systems that are in trouble.
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#250296 - 07/27/04 06:46 PM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
4Salt Offline
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Registered: 03/07/00
Posts: 2955
Loc: Lynnwood, WA
We're not really gonna hash through ALL this again are we?

Kramer - Click here for just about every opinion and viewpoint you could possibly imagine!
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#250297 - 07/27/04 08:14 PM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
Smalma Offline
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Registered: 11/25/01
Posts: 2834
Loc: Marysville
Jerry -
A couple of times now you have referred to this 15 to 20% wandering factor. Find that interesting and was wondering about the source of the figure?

It is common for steelhead, especially summer steelhead show up in rivers other than their home river however they also often backtrack and end back at "home" to spawn. I'm wondering if the info is the % of a given wild population that spawns in water other than its home? Wonder how that info was determined?

Tight lines
S malma

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#250298 - 07/28/04 01:14 AM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
Double Haul Offline
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Registered: 03/07/99
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Ahhhh.....Plunker if it is dogma ye seek, none have to look much futher than MSY/MSH. :rolleyes:

Ok, couldn't help myself \:D
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#250299 - 07/28/04 04:00 AM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
Plunker Offline
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Registered: 04/01/00
Posts: 511
Loc: Skagit Valley
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Originally posted by Double Haul:
Ahhhh.....Plunker if it is dogma ye seek, none have to look much futher than MSY/MSH. :rolleyes:

Ok, couldn't help myself \:D
`

Rich,

The MSY/MSH objective model of salmonid management is mandated by "Federal Law" and has been upheld by the "US Supreme Court".

Of course you have repeatedly asserted that you and your cronies are more qualified than either the WDFW biologists or the US Legal system so...

Sorry - I can't help you either. :p
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#250300 - 07/28/04 11:19 AM Re: RESCIND the WILD STEELHEAD MORATORIUM
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Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 2449
Loc: Portland
What's the root word of 'conservative' again?
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