JG has the right idea here folks. There is much emotion on both sides of the issue. We should all understand this is an incremental process. If we keep winning small battles every year, eventually we win the war. While this decision is a far cry from what many wanted, it represents a monumental step in the right direction.

PEACE

I don't keep wild steelhead on the other hand I don't like people who whine just to pump themselves up as being elite or whatever they think they are when they totally ignore the the facts for no good reason beyond ridiculous selfish ideals. So I never supported this moratorium, the very similar trapping ban with it's whining uneducated supporters or this forum for that matter. But now I support this forum and offer you my love and forgiveness.

Hoglander

Better than a sharp stick in the eye, I guess.

Just another "uneducated" opinion, worth roughly what you paid for it.

After a few hours to cool down......

I still meant what I said!

They spit right in our face.....

From 5 to 1 is no different!!!!

We continue to manage our wild steelhead for harvest. That is what this is all about....

5 to 1 is apples to apples.

I wont sit here and kiss the ars of the great "great one's".

Polotics was played today nothing more. The fish wone nothing and the commission and state saved face and tried to please everyone at the same time trying to keep themselves out of a lawsuit.

No big step was made, nothing was done.

People may think that Im some dumb young guy with alot of emotion but I know more than you think. I have seen alot with my own eyes. The state and tribes work on lies and the publics ignorance.

"If the tribes get to net during the wild runs, then we should be able to fish.
Stop the nets and I will gladly stop fishing during that same time."


This argument has never made sense to me. I agree, the nets are by far the greatest impact and it is likely improvements in runs will not be seen until the nets are gone...but that doesnt mean you cant SLOW the decline...does anyone deny that fewer fish will spawn with a One fish limit and netting than would spawn with a moratorium and netting? I mean its not like they are tossing gillnets over the redds. By the time sporting anglers get a crack at 'em the nets have already taken their toll.

I'm no expert on this issue, and I dont even live in Washington full time anymore (school/military) but I just think its obvious that everyone(nearly) agrees the runs need protection...so why not start with the protection we can get now and work up to whatever else you want? I mean, Forks at least doesnt pretend to be concerned about native steelhead populations. I can admire their tenacity, even if I dont agree with their motives. However, something just seems a little off to me when people complain that netting is devastating the native stocks and should be banned, yet continue to harvest said native stocks on top of the damage already caused.

Not trying to get in a

The moratorium wouldn't require that you stop fishing.
Isn't it a little tough to tell the indians to stop netting wild fish when sport anglers are still allowed to whack 'em? Hard to point a finger while holding a dead nate.

Don't some of you think it is strange that the Hoh tribe threaten legal action (the Hoh-WDFW agreement from June of this year) if the moratorium was not rescinded and sportsman harvest was not reinstituted?

Hey Jerry

I have a question what is the percantage so to say htat hte HOH tribe will get of the Nates or anybody does anybody know

I'm with Jerry on this. It is progress for the fish, but when I saw the decision I had to believe that the tribes were influincing the decision. If sporties were not allowed to harvest any wild fish for conservation reasons and then the tribes net those same fish they will get heat. Maybe I'm wrong but at this point it doesn't matter. Just my opinion.

Hey Rich your RIGHT!! The moritoium getting resinded wont help the fish anymore than the moritorium being upheld would have.The moritorium had nothing,zero, nada, to do with saving fish. It was about giving the right to fish to a very small minority and thats it.And all the pro-moritoium guys know that.

That's crap................and you know it. What was it that was going to stop you from fishing?

Hey Rich G -

Are you sure you're not a postal worker?

I believe that Rich is a police officer that used to work for the Quilluette tribe. He may have some insight that we don't.

That's crap................and you know it. What was it that was going to stop you from fishing? [/QB][/QUOTE]
Dan,
What was going to stop me from fishing??
A little thing called ethic's and morale's

I woke up this morning feeling a little crouchy and onery, then I read this thread and I started feeling much better! It brightened up my day.

Oh, ethics and morals huh?

How's the view from that high horse? Any elitist flyfishermen up there with you?

Cue the PETA line about "torturing" fish you don't intend to eat.

I have a question. How many of you that are for the for moratorium on wild steelhead kill wild salmon, ducks, elk, deer and etc? Salmon on those rivers over there are as threatened as the steelhead. some areas they close down hunting due to low numbers of game but leave open others because there can be a harvest and still keep the herds viable. Why not in Forks.

The fish are under the same environmental pressure as the game is in this state, water and habitat quality, habitat destruction, and harvest pressure. With one exeption the commercial harvest. There is none of game. That's another disscussion all together. I have even seen Bob kill native kings and coho on the Pen. On my home river the moratorium has been in effect for almost 10 yrs now and I see very little progress if any in the returns. This failure is not only to this river but many across this state. My question is may be we are focusing on the wrong managent stragity and that's another disscussion.

I guess my point is "He who is without sin cast the first stone" and if we don't start working together rather in special interest we could lose it all.

my 2 cents and remember what it cost

Maybe RonBob the reason why your Home river hasn't returned suitable numbers of fish is because WDFW instituted WSR to late.

The tribes may not have a "commercial harvest "on game animals BUT they can harvest 3 deer & 2 elk per person in that family per our 1 deer & 1 elk ! on top of that any one in that family can harvest there animals for the other, they can hunt at night, and there has been cases of selling game and fish illegally. A family of 5 can take 15 deer and 10 elk if they chose to . my 02 cents

seaweedsam you make my point exactly