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#266739 - 05/17/04 07:20 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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2. Fedral govt. exerting control over states rights
Now which party was it that supports the above?
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#266740 - 05/17/04 10:44 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Dan - Good one - the only party that I have seen trying to exert Federal power over the States is the GOP - according to Elvis, they must be Socialists!!

Elvis - Your definition of Socialism is unique to be sure. It appears that you are really describing Federalism. And your gun control arguement is one that I have heard so often. You tell me how your firearms will protect you from a government that has tactical nukes and heavy artillery?? I think you must be growing some seriously good organic shrooms out there.
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#266741 - 05/18/04 09:57 AM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 1796
Loc: Brier, Washington
Ah yes..the good old Robin Hood Syndrome...cornerstone of the "new" Democratic party...

Rob Peter to pay Paul and Paul will always be your friend...

I work very hard and pay lots of taxes....a bunch of my hard earned money is constantly under attack from the Democratic ideals...

Punish me for being successful and reward others who do not chose to try.

The Dems recruit much of their base from the Paul's of the country. Not Socialism but close.
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#266742 - 05/18/04 10:46 AM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
Theking Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 10/10/03
Posts: 4908
Loc: The right side of the line
Dan,

Very true in some respects But the repubs still give more stsates rights.

Eddie,
How could you tell the good guys from the bad to use nukes? If it ever happened it would come down to small arms.
Our Tax system is clearly socialist. The education System, Do what the feds say or lose funding, socialism.
We are headed twards being a social welfare state just like most of Europe. Next socialized medicine. A democrat has been in the lead on every bill heading down that road.
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#266743 - 05/18/04 01:04 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Posts: 3002
Loc: Lynnwood, WA
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Ah yes..the good old Robin Hood Syndrome...cornerstone of the "new" Democratic party...

Rob Peter to pay Paul and Paul will always be your friend...

You need to do a little fact checking there Gramps and quit "toeing the party line" as you are so fond of saying. ;\)


Which party was in power in the 1980's when, at that time, we were seeing record deficits?

Which party held the presidency during the late 90's when we had a BALANCED budget, and some projected surplus?

Which party is in power now when we're AGAIN seeing RECORD deficits?

The new GOP mantra: "Rob the grandkids to pay the mega conglomerates and they will always donate to your campaign." ;\)
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#266744 - 05/18/04 01:23 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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All wars are funded with deficit spending. Where do you think a surplus comes from donations in kind?
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#266745 - 05/18/04 01:28 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Better yet, take a whole bunch of money we don't have and spend it on a war we don't need. That way when america finally wakes up to your corrupt financial morals and votes your ass out of office, the democrats will have to raise taxes to catch up and you can blame them.
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#266746 - 05/18/04 01:34 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Hitting the weed a little early today h20 or has the Alarm clock not gone off and you are posting in your sleep? :-)
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#266748 - 05/18/04 02:02 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Typical response from someone clearly outmaneuvered.

How embarassing for you that a lowly uneducated, vaginized male stoner like myself can tear down your ill-made arguments.

What, are you like twelve?
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#266750 - 05/18/04 02:37 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Loc: Lynnwood, WA
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All wars are funded with deficit spending.
So tell me King, what war were we fighting in say 1986?

Your masochistic tendencies are really starting to show King. The pain doesn't even seem to phase you anymore. You've been factually and intellectually b!tch-slapped so often lately that you're punch drunk! ;\)
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#266751 - 05/18/04 03:24 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Registered: 10/10/03
Posts: 4908
Loc: The right side of the line
H20,

It is not suprise that the further you go from I -90 the worse the schools get and I bet you wehere raised no where near it?

Am,

You are a liar and a coward. And it's real hard for a woman to be a coward.


4skin,

There are many more reasons than war for deficit spending. The deficits of the Reagan term you reference were to stimulate the economy that Jimmy Carter single handedly drove into the tank. If you look at the current deficit (if you can read a budget) you will see the biggest portion of the deficit comes from two areas, Social Security mandatory increases and HUD mandatory spending. This will be true for the next 15 years or until SS dies.
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#266752 - 05/18/04 03:36 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Registered: 07/10/00
Posts: 978
Loc: Snohomish, WA USA
My presumption is that GWB does not want to repeat the "mistake" of his father by not raising taxes. Bush Sr, in my mind, came across to a much higher degree as a straight shooter, even with the "read my lips" statement. This president thinks he is being strait with the people by cutting taxes and funding this war with borrowed money and filling us in, if at all, after the fact.

His father only completed the mission that was chartered by the UN, even though he took flack for not getting Saddam. So, to say that wars are only funded by deficits is off the mark. Bush Sr, did the right thing, and raised taxes to pay for his debt.

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#266753 - 05/18/04 03:46 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Loc: Lynnwood, WA
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4skin
I like it! Took you long enough, but good job! \:D \:D

By the way... that's Mr. 4Skin to you Priscilla! ;\)
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#266754 - 05/18/04 03:53 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Loc: The right side of the line
Skin,

If I was Elvis it would be The Kang if you new anything about the man. The King refers to the largest and most awesome of the Salmon incase you missed the fact that this is a fishing site:-) Like 4 salt means you are about to swim up a river and get hooked or lie rotting in the shallows. Apt very apt:-)
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#266755 - 05/18/04 03:59 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3276
Loc: U.S. Army
Oh wow, I was way off. I mistakenly believed since you were using "The" in your name that it alluded to "one and only."

I thought you were making reference to your title on that little organic commune you have.
;\)
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#266756 - 05/18/04 05:52 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Posts: 4908
Loc: The right side of the line
Harley,

No it's what my friends call me after I landed a 74lb king in Tofino BC in 1989 and limited out on a 7 day trip on Kings,coho and Halibut. After a summer of fishing trips from Idaho to Alsaka that they were severly outfished by none other than myself.
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#266757 - 05/18/04 05:59 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Posts: 4908
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or maybe it was later in the fall after I had taken a 7X7 Bull Elk in Idaho the day after I took a 32" mulie. Maybe it was the 400lb Black Bear just before that trip and the Washington 4x4 Mulie the same year. Well they all blend togeher now it was such a busy year.
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#266759 - 05/18/04 06:54 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 2227
Loc: Portland
so what'd everyone have for lunch?
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#266760 - 05/18/04 07:10 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3276
Loc: U.S. Army
'89... what was I doing?... oh yeah, I was just finishing up my recruiting duty in Los Angeles and preparing for my first of three tours in Korea.

Three years recruiting in LA and didn't get a cent of hazardous duty pay. What's up with that? \:D
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#266761 - 05/18/04 07:18 PM Re: War on terror v. War in Iraq
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Harley,

My cousin is sitting off the coast of NK on some island right now. He is AF and a specialist of some classified technology. He is up on his 20 years next year . Hates it.
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