For those of you that have maintained that President Bush lied . Here is where you can send your apology

George W. Bush: president@whitehouse.gov

"The Yellowcake Con

The Wilson-Plame "scandal" was political pulp fiction.

Wall Street Journal, Thursday, July 15, 2004

So now the British government has published its own inquiry into the intelligence behind the invasion of Iraq, with equally devastating implications for the credibility of the Bush-Blair "lied" crowd. Like last week's 511-page document from the Senate Intelligence Committee, the exhaustive British study found some flawed intelligence but no evidence of "deliberate distortion." Inquiry leader Lord Butler told reporters that Prime Minister Tony Blair had "acted in good faith."

What's more, Lord Butler was not ready to dismiss Saddam Hussein as a threat merely because no large "stockpiles" of weapons of mass destruction have been found. The report concludes that Saddam probably intended to pursue his banned programs, including the nuclear one, if and when U.N. sanctions were lifted; that research, development and procurement continued so WMD capabilities could be sustained; and that he was pursuing the development of WMD delivery systems--missiles--of longer range than the U.N. permitted.

But the part that may prove most salient in the U.S. is that, like the Senate Intelligence findings, the Butler report vindicates President Bush on the allegedly misleading "16 words" regarding uranium from Africa: "We conclude also that the statement in President Bush's State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that 'The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa' was well-founded."

We're awaiting apologies from former Ambassador Joe Wilson, and all those who championed him, after his July 2003 New York Times op-ed alleging that Mr. Bush had "twisted" intelligence "to exaggerate the Iraqi threat." The news is also relevant to the question of whether any crime was committed when a still unknown Administration official told columnist Robert Novak that Mr. Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA employee and that's why he had been recommended for a sensitive mission to Niger. A Justice Department special prosecutor is investigating the case, with especially paralyzing effect on the office of the Vice President. In that New York Times piece, readers will recall, Mr. Wilson outed himself as the person who had been sent to Niger by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate claims that Iraq might have been seeking yellowcake ore for its weapons program. Vice President Dick Cheney had asked for the CIA's opinion on the issue after reading a Defense intelligence report.

Mr. Wilson wrote that "It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place." He claimed he informed the CIA of his findings upon his return, was certain reports of his debrief had circulated through appropriate channels, and that the Administration had chosen to ignore his debunking of the story.

After the Novak column appeared, Mr. Wilson charged that his wife was outed solely as punishment for his daring dissent from White House policy. To that end, he has repeatedly denied that his wife played a role in his selection for the mission. "Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," he wrote in his book "The Politics of Truth." "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip." A huge political uproar ensued.

But very little of what Mr. Wilson has said has turned out to be true. For starters, his wife did recommend him for that trip. The Senate report quotes from a February 12, 2002, memo from Ms. Plame: "my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity."

This matters a lot. There's a big difference both legally and ethically between revealing an agent's identity for the revenge purpose of ruining her career, and citing nepotism (truthfully!) to explain to a puzzled reporter why an undistinguished and obviously partisan former ambassador had been sent to investigate this "crazy report" (his wife's words to the Senate). We'd argue that once her husband broke his own cover to become a partisan actor, Ms. Plame's own motives in recommending her husband deserved to become part of the public debate. She had herself become political.

Mr. Wilson also seems to have dissembled about how he concluded that there was nothing to the Iraq-Niger uranium story, serving for example as the anonymous source for a June 12, 2003, Washington Post story saying "among the Envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because 'the dates were wrong and the names were wrong.' " There were some forged documents related to an Iraq-Niger uranium deal. Trouble was, such documents had not even come to the intelligence community (never mind to Mr. Wilson's attention) by the time of his trip, and obviously hadn't been the basis of the report he'd been sent to investigate. He told the Senate he may have "mispoken"--at some length we guess--on this issue.

The Senate Intelligence Committee found, finally, that far from debunking the Iraq-Niger story, Mr. Wilson's debrief was interpreted as providing "some confirmation of foreign government service reporting" that Iraq had sought uranium in Niger. Why? Because he'd reported that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki had told him of a 1999 visit by the Iraqis to discuss "commercial relations," which the leader of the one-industry country logically interpreted as interest in uranium. Remember that Messrs. Bush and Blair only said that Iraq had "sought" or was "trying to buy" uranium, not that it had succeeded. It now appears that both leaders have been far more scrupulous in discussing this and related issues than much of the media in either of their countries, which would embarrass the journalistic profession, if that were possible.

All of this matters because Mr. Wilson's disinformation became the vanguard of a year-long assault on Mr. Bush's credibility. The political goal was to portray the President as a "liar," regardless of the facts. Now that we know those facts, Americans can decide who the real liars are."

Why didn't we listen to the american intelligence agents that said this was fiction?

He lied knowing full well he had plausible deniability......

What Bush did was worse than lying....he used info that he KNEW was unlikely, suspect at the very least and used it to support going to war. War.................not a blowjob, WAR!!

You righty's totally have your priorities screwed up, don't you? Its ok to be less than honest when it comes war, but blowjobs man, you better be coming correct or we'll frickin impeach you.

Unbelievable!!

George Bush is a skidmark on the underwear of American history. My strong belief is that the Bush presidency is the beginning of the end of America as the pre-emeinent super power in the world.

He's the worst kind of liar. Here is another example of a Bush lie:

He's a uniter, not a divider.

Here's another example:

George Bush served honorably.

Hmmmm, I see. So after American committees do numerous investigations and find nothing to credibly substantiate Bush's claims, the Brits publish one line and that totally exonerates him.

Who'd a thunk?

Golly, remember back when Hillary tried to do her Health Care thing - the GOP thought that Great Britain was full of socialist bast**ds. Now, they are the truth and the light???

George will get my form of an apology on November 2nd. Hopefully a one-way ticket to Crawford.

Gh,

You among many said Bush out right lied and intentionally mislead Americans on the War in Iraq ( Bush lied people died). Now two bipartisan inquiries into the evidence used to justify the war have concluded that their was no deception or intent to decieve only poor or incomplete intelligence. From that all you can counter with is they did not " substantiate Bush's claims" they did subsantiate that he did not lie so did the Brits and the Italians. Even the French now say they knew Sadam was trying to buy massive ammounts of Plut up until we attacked. Typical liberal dodge.

I made this point a few months back, you guys hate Bush for reasons other than the issues. Your posts continue to prove this. Slowly and consistantly every lie you have been fed by the left and promoted as truth is being proven to be just that a lie . Yet you push it aside and move forward with your contempt.

BS. If you study his speeches prior to the invasion you should see that they are filled with subtle deception. You're intelligent enough to know what I'm talking about.

BTW, nice of the Italians to try and cover for him now since they started the whole yellow cake mess.

Don't you just hate when everyone starts using Republican tactics?

Oh, and another BTW - knowing what we do now about Iraqi's lack of nuclear capability, what would they want with yellow cake anyway? They had absolutely zero equipment to deal with it.

GH,

No one knows that for sure. Even the inspectors admit that Sadam had a very mobile and fluid WMD set up.


The best of the left Kerry and Edwards have been ducking responsibility for leading us to war on what they claim was insufficient intelligence. Even Hillary admits that given what she knows now going to war was the right thing to do. I imagine that Bill has rubbed off on her a bit but we all know he is a Moderate. Wonder what ol Howie Dean will come up with in the nextfew weeks before his speach now that his "Bush/Blair lied" Joe Wilson siad so has become a huge embarassment to the Far Left? At least he does not have to deal with the I knew it was a lie and voted for it anyhow then changed my mind and refused to fund it mess the Johns will be dealing with until fall.
Maybe they can make a movie about Wilsons lies and call it a documentary like MM does?

Jiffy 'Yellow Cake' Mix would have been much more useful to them.

rotflmfao h20!!!! That is a classic!
He is a uniter BTW...the democratic party has neve been so unified.
I like what his old college classmate Garry Trudeau said about GW's college days.

TK,

It looks to me like you're cherry picking the recent US Intelligence Report. Senatory Rockefeller was quoted on Meet the Press the President exaggerated the Intelligence,

"SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER, (D-WV): I hate to put it in those terms, but I was wrong. And I've said for a long time now that if I know now what I did not know then, I would have voted against it. I think there were two things. I think there was the question that the intelligence was flawed, profoundly flawed on all subjects, not just the weapons of mass destruction but the terrorist threat, the relationship between Saddam Hussein and perhaps 9/11, something which the vice president is still talking about, but also the fact that the highest level of the administration, they were talking so much, so constantly about the threat to the nation, grave and growing, mushroom clouds. This is moving to the homeland, the president said, just about a month before the vote. I mean, in a sense, they were exaggerating intelligence. They were ahead of the intelligence they were getting or they weren't paying attention to the intelligence they were getting and going beyond it to try to convince the American people that war was the way to go."

It seems Goharley and stlhdH20 are only interested in what the French have to say when it's something negative about America or its Commander and Chief.

H2O

"George Bush is a skidmark on the underwear of American history."

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Seeing that the stain stinks and is so visible, I would have to say that George Bush is a sh**mark on the underwear of American History.

Time to send this Dry Drunk back to Crawford.

Personally, I could give a crap what the french say.

Funny how american republicans, you know, the ones that are suppose to be so 'pro miltary' or 'pro-defense', are seemingly the only ones in the entire world that haven't taken to heart the sacrifices of our grandfathers.....the greatest generation.

Europeans seem to get it.

War is supposed to be the last resort.

Here's how I really feel. The war in Iraq is only as justifiable as Pearl Harbor was to the Japanese.

Well lets use your words as an example.

' Misrepresenting and embellishing is the same as....

Lieing.'

If that sthe case take what you just said.

"That was always my viewpoint. When one is sworn in after enlisting, the term DEFEND is used. Not OFFEND. Bush has turned our national defense into a national OFFENSE and that is...."


Your view point would then be a lie because congress and the courts have determined the president used his powers legally.

My point being why would you subject someone else to a much higher standard than the one you hold yourself?

Too bad the american people don't have an email address, there'd be some place for Dumbya to send HIS apologies if he could ever figure out how to run a computer.

Perhaps an email address for all the dead and crippled servicemen would be a good place to send his apologies.

How about one for all the displaced workers in this country who've lost their jobs due to Bush's ridiculously failed and inflationary economic policy?

How about an email address for every child whose life could be improved with stem cell research if Dubya's retarded, yes, I said it, RETARDED 'moral stance' prevents.

I'm sorry America......

Love,

Dumbya

The fact that the Republicans are sheltering the rest of the report .

Right the republicans are sitting on a report from a bipartisan commission. They also control the brits report. two bipartisan investigation conclude there was no attempt to manipulate data or to intentionally mislead the people of any participating country and you genius' still conclude it was all a lie. Yet you have posted no evidence from any bipartisan comissions to support your claim. Just the typical slander, blue collar conspiracy theories of the uninformed. any thoughts on who killed JFK or the Roswell UFo incedent?

Lets deal with the Kerry/Edwards voting for the war then not voting for any support for the war. They looked at the same evidence that Bush did when they cast their votes. So are they liars as well? I think they are even worse than liars. I think they did it for poll points for their campaigns at the time. Kerry for one did not want another protest vote against a war on his record going into the campaign. They wanted to cover all their bases which is refelected by their voting for the war then voting not to fund it. All designed not around a cause or not supporting a cause but for getting elected. Any vote for people like this is shameful at best.

In attempting to re-write history-- AuntyM, goharely, stlhdH20 and the rest of the "enlightened people" all conveniently leave that part out.

Should we be more like the French "Europeans" (who seem to get it) and learn to surrender (like the French) so we don't have to ever "resort" to going to war?


Viva Le Francis! ( as long as nobody makes them "resort" to defending themselves)

Americans are better at war than we are at peace. We have to be we got where we are via war and now on top everyone wants what we have so we are going to have to defend it. Like it or not that truth has no party lines. You will see completely different aqttitudes in the locker room of the Pistons than you will in the Sonics or the Yankees and the Mariners. Winners losers and middle of the roaders all have a different view of things. And there always be winners losers and middle of the road types, always. So this pie in the sky give peace a chance is certainly something to strive for in reality it is very difficult.

So far in the history of man nearly every civilization (up to the current, global civilization) built has experienced a precipitous failure.

I don't doubt for a minute that what we call 'western civilization' will be brought down, like Rome, under the weight of its own imperialism.

Call me crazy but I believe the world will be a better place when we start solving differences with other nations in the way God teaches us.

As I recall the Bible is pretty specific.

Do unto others as you would have them to do unto you....

not 'do it to others before they do it to you.'

This elvis is the core hypocrisy to the arab disdain, distrust and fear of the west.

Unfounded?

Abu Ghraib.

H2o very myopic. Not to turn this into a biblical debate but your interpretation of the bible is extremely off base. Again you take one phrase of the bible and use it to your own end.

You might read Wild at Heart by John Eldredge
It discusses very well the roll of the male warrior in Christain life and how to raise boys into this roll. It will cite verses for you and help to understand the conflicting message borught about by lack of understanding.

But given your anger at God I doubt you would read it or anything that would point to the truth as you have your opinion in spite of reality.

That's the part that SCOWAK (the chicken-hawk) and other Bush apologists with their heads buried in the sand conveniently leave out.

Now it " Misinformation" and not a lie. It's funny that the majority saw the same evidence and voted for the war and to fund the war. Several incluing Hillary Clinton have said since. Knowing today what they did not know then it was the right thing to do. But she was not a presidential candidate heading into the primaries when questions about the war where at their peak from the wilson lies and backdoor accusations from the liberal poster child at the time H. Dean.

Even the noited liberal rag El Tiempo De Los Angeles AKA LA TIMES has it right.


EDITORIAL Kerry-Edwards Stonewall

If not murder, John F. Kerry and John Edwards have accused President Bush of something close to criminally negligent homicide in Iraq. 'They were wrong and soldiers died because they were wrong,' Kerry said of the Bush administration over the weekend."

"The trouble is, both Sens. Kerry and Edwards voted yes on the resolution authorizing the war in Iraq. And now they refuse to say whether they would have supported the resolution if they had known what they know today. Both say they can't be bothered with 'hypothetical questions.'

But whether it is a hypothetical question depends on how you phrase it. Do they regret these votes? Were their votes a mistake? These are not hypothetical questions. And they are questions the Democratic candidates for president and vice president cannot duck if they wish to attack Bush on Iraq in such morally charged language."

"When Kerry says 'they were wrong,' he is referring to the administration's basic case for going to war. Kerry supported that decision. So did Edwards. Were they wrong? If they won't answer that question, they have no moral standing to criticize Bush."

"Reluctance to answer the question is understandable. If they say they stand by their pro-war votes, this makes nonsense of their criticisms of Bush. If they say they were misled or duped by the administration, they look dopey and weak. Many of their Democratic Senate colleagues were skeptical of the administration's evidence even at the time. If Kerry and Edwards tell the probable truth ? that they were deeply dubious about the war but afraid to vote no in the post-9/11 atmosphere and be tarred as lily-livered liberals ? they would win raves from editorial writers for their frankness and courage. And they could stop dreaming of oval offices."

"In the past, Kerry has dodged the question of his pro-war vote by saying that he intended to give Bush negotiating leverage and to encourage multilateral action, not to endorse a unilateral American invasion of Iraq. Unfortunately, what he may have intended is not what he voted for. Furthermore, a vote in favor of the war resolution was unavoidably a statement that the various complaints against Hussein did justify going to war against him, if all else failed, whatever caveats and escape hatches were in any individual senator's head."

"And even if it had no practical relevance to our future Iraq policy, hearing how Kerry and Edwards explain their votes to authorize a war they now regard as disastrous would be helpful in assessing their character and judgment.

Their continued refusal to explain would be even more helpful, unfortunately."

Look honey....its 'Mount Molehill'......where?.....right next to that big pile of red herring at the end of non-sequitur avenue.

Keep going until you see all republican types with their asses in the air...............

....its an appropriate position given their heads are buried so deeply in the sand.

H20,

A little short of facts and points today as usual today I see. Maybe if you spent less time sucking on the bong you might have some subsantance to your post instead of the usual vapid comments?

Smatter....being outhunk by a stoner gotcha down?

Go have a beer and take solace in the fact that you are better than 'the druggies', you hypocrite.

:p

H20,

Out thunk by a stoner, now thats a pipedream. Your so high you forot to post anything but GW slams. No Points to ponder nothing of substance from Ol H20. I don't drink and gave up the weed after college so no hypocrisy here.

Newsflash:

Viagra is also a drug.

I feel sorry for your livestock, You all alone in the middle of no where expierimenting with viagra!. And to think I poo poo'd all the talk of weed being a gateway drug :p

How did we go from addressing whether Bush "lied or deceived" to the Senate authorization for enacting War with Iraq to Kerry and Edwards vote on this? It was the executive branch that brought that bill before congress and it was Bush and company that championed it. Becuase our executive branch made the case right after being attacked on 9-11 for going into Iraq, there was an almost unanimous vote to approve it. To me, Kerry and Edwards votes just shows me that they are not the cowardy liberals that the Republicans make them out to be. Bush is going to have to stand up and face the music!!!

Yes you're right about the spelling. If he is not baked most of the time then he needs to be based on his comments

Jeff'ed


It was about who really lied. Two biapartisan groups have said Bush Balir did not. The conclusion of the US committee while clearing Bush of misinformation,lies, half truths, inuendo etc. was that the biggest liar was Joe Wilson. Who was championed by Kerry, Edwards and Dean as holding info that proved Bush Lied. So while Kerry and Edwards voted for the war they built thier campaigns on Wilsons information to then appose the war. When in reality they voted for the war, they voted for unlimited authority, and then started rhetoric about conditions that should be placed on the war. With this Kerry /Edwards have established himself as a men of no conviction, who only talk about war and wont actually make it. Who would back down like Kadhaffi with a waffle like those two laid out on this action? These actions are not compatible with a CIC and a VP. Further more
they made assinine to assertion that a US president, having been authorized by the US Congress to go to war , needed to get the permission and acceptance from the UN. Anyone that thinks that they need to get the permission of anyone outside the US to act on a vote from the US congress is clarly unfit for the office of the President.

And you O' rings Championed the same evidence and used the same rethoric as Kerry, Edwards,Dean, Gore etc and plan to vote for such people. Most still stick to this twisted fable , it's Beyond comprehension.

And just like Kerry several here have posted they would vote for MCain for president. He fully backs the war and would probably be in Iran as well if he were pres. he used less evidence that Bush used to draw his conclusions to go to war. Now if Bush is a liar, a deciver why the heck would you support someone that made a decision off of less evidence? Oh I forgot Bush is openly Christian so hating him is Ok for that in the two least active Church attending states in the US that also swing liberal. But hey it's OK to discriminate against Christian up here.

Sorry, Bush isn't going to weasil out of this one saying, claiming his intelligence was wrong.... The buck stops with him.

Thats OK Jeff'ed no sense using facts when emotion will do.

23 senators voted not to appove the war But Kerry did.

Authorization for Preemptive War Against Iraq On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114) 10/11/2002 Senate Roll Call No. 237 107th Congress, 2nd Session

Passed: 77-23 (see complete tally) Reflecting an intention to limit debate on the critical issue of war against Iraq, the U.S. Senate first voted to limit all debate to 30 hours. The passage of the resolution was evident when Senate Majority (Democratic) Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota took the floor to announce that the resolution was acceptable to him. "I believe it is important for America to speak with one voice," extolled Daschle.

By 77 yeas to 23 nays (Vote No. 237), Senate passed H.J. Res. 114, to authorize the preemptive and unilateral war against Iraq.


More than 100 House members did not vote for this war, but John Kerry did.


President Bush gave the following reasons (among others) for going to war with Iraq

1 We believe Iraq has WMD.

2. Iraq has denied inspections since 1998.

3. The risk to the US if Iraq gets WMD is too great.

4. Iraq is a threat to the region.

6. Iraq persistantly violates UN Resolutions.

7. Iraq is in material and unnacceptable breach of peace treaty obligations.

8. Iraq brutally represses its own citizens.

9. Iraq has fired on US troops, on thousands of occasions.

10. Iraq tried to assassinate a US President.

11. Iraq supports and harbors terorists.

12. Iraq has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people.

13. Regime change is the official policy of the US toward Iraq.

Only the one of these reasons is under any question.


Congress gave these reasons for going to war in Iraq:

1 We believe Iraq has WMD.

2. Iraq has denied inspections since 1998.

3. The risk to the US if Iraq gets WMD is too great.

4. Iraq is a threat to the region.

6. Iraq persistantly violates UN Resolutions.

7. Iraq is in material and unnacceptable breach of peace treaty obligations.

8. Iraq brutally represses its own citizens.

9. Iraq has fired on US troops, on thousands of occasions.

10. Iraq tried to assassinate a US President.

11. Iraq supports and harbors terorists.

12. Iraq has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people.

13. Regime change is the official policy of the US toward Iraq.

Only the first of these is under any question. Twelve perfectly good reasons even if intelligence data were faulty.

John Kerry voted for the War based on one reason only:

" I believe Iraq has WMD. "

If this reason is in question and condemns Bush in any capacity, then it also condemns Kerry . Even more so because Kerry did not have 11 valid reasons to vote go to war he chose one and one only.

I have to give you credit TK for finding the actual post on the War Resolution. You can call it inconsistent if you want, but I hold the President to a higher standard than Congress. The Congress backed the President in a very sensitive time in our history in an attempt to show solidarity.

Thats not giving them much credit is it? I would think that they would vote the will of their communities otherwise pay the price come the elections?. What you saw was a vote that reflected the will of the American people at the time. That being to protect themsleves from a maniac. Politics, Lies and agendas have shaken that will a bit in the dyas since. One by one the lies are being overturned and the politics are being shown for waht they are. The turth of the matter is apparent that no other candidate has what it takes to lead us through these senative times. Kerry has been proven to be un trust worthy over this matter. Bush has never waivered from his objective and promise. Even Bill Clinton himself has said Bush does what he promises and Clinton would have done much if not all the same in similar circumstances. So where is the issue?

What has proven Kerry to be untrustworthy?

Did you read my posts above? Kerry could have voted against the war. He did not. Kerry could have voiced his objection, for the record, to the war at the time if he had them. He did not. He could have pointed to the lack of data to substantiate a yes vote , he did not. He picked WMD as the reason he would single out and vote yes for the war. Which everyone in the world thought Sadam had at the time. He then changed his mind after it became politically oportunistic and convieniently opposed the handling of the war and voted not to fund it. Essentially saying he made a mistake. Then he said what congress and the president did should be subject to UN approval. Since when is congress and the president accountable to the UN? if you do not see the clear and present danger here it's hopeless.
This guy has gone back and forth several times on the issue, suggested the seccession of presdential and congressional authority to an outside entity and you would vote for him? Take all your feelings for GW and put them aside for a minute and clearly think about the actions Kerry has taken since he started running for president and show me how you think they are the actions that represent the best interest of the US.

Changing ones position as circumstances change does not make you untrustworthy. Kerry has made it clear that before he would have sent us to war, he would have at the very least, attempted to get a more collaberative approach with the rest of the world. Whether he would have been successful or not remains to be seen, but Bush's inability to be a diplomat is a huge liability to the US. If Kerry had been president, there wouldn't have been this rush to war with Iraq.

Bush has damaged US credibility, is not a good communicator and is unable to repair that damage and we need to go in a new direction.

The fact that the man doesn't have a single bone of political conviction in his entire body.

The fact that he flip flops for political advantage on virtually every issue depending on what crowd he's addressing and which way the political wind is blowing at that particular moment.

The fact that he said publicly he believed Saddam had WMD's and posed a serious threat--voted to give the President the authority to send troops into harms way to remove Saddam and his regime.

Then when those troops were in harms way he flipped flopped and he let partisan politics come before the safety of those troops by not voting to give them the equipment they needed.

The fact that he'll take every opportunity to slam President Bush and our involvement in Iraq, then flip flop and turn around and say that the world is safer with Saddam out of power.

The fact that he won't go on record and say we should have never invaded Iraq.

For those of you who believe we should have never invaded Iraq--Ralph Nader is the only candidate running who is on record saying we should have never gone in --and now that we are there we must cut and run.

The fact that he thinks we need to bow at the alter of the U.N. and get France's permission to protect America's interests.

The fact that he tells a crowd that he believes life starts at conception--then flip flops and votes to allow Partial Birth Abortions on healthy women in the ninth month pregnancy when the baby wasn't conceived by rape or incest, her life isn't in danger and the baby is fully developed and capable of living outside of it's mother.

The fact that when he addresses Vietnam veterans to their faces he calls them "brothers in arms". But when he addresses a Senate committee he flip flops and refers to them as rapists and baby killers.

The fact that one day he tells a group of fishing and hunting enthusists that he'd do better job at protecting their fishing and hunting rights than Bush--then flip flops and tells a group of animal rights extremists that he's proud to have his name on every piece of animal rights legislation to ever pass in the house.

The fact that he tells a crowd at an annual Earth Day gathering that we need to conserve energy to save mother earth-- then jumps into his private jet and wisks off to one of his 8 suv's awaiting to drive him to one of his 7 air conditioned homes.

The fact that John Kerry thought Jimmy Carter and later Walter Mondale would do a better job handling the U.S. economy and fighting the cold war than Ronald Reagan would have. 'nuf said?

Chicken-hawk, you are a broken record of misinformation, paranoid emotion, and ill conceived rhetoric spewing opinion.

Jeff'ed,

"Bush has damaged US credibility, is not a good communicator and is unable to repair that damage and we need to go in a new direction."

lets examine this a bit. I assume you are saying because we did not have a broader coalition going into Iraq that we have somehow damaged relaionships that are beneficial. The UN security council countries that did not join the colilition are France, Germany, Russia and China.

France- Documents found since the invasion essentaillly show that Sadam had been paying off the French with illegal contracts under the Un resolution. Why would France want to damage these profitable relationships by ousting Sadam.

Germany- Same thing to a lesser extent.

Russia- Same thing but with the added twist of selling arms and the Russian army training saddam troops. A bit of a conflict of interest.

China- They could care less about the Middle East and could care even less about what happens to the US. its in their best interest for us to fail.

It was clear to the simpleset of minds that thses players would not play long before the invasion. So who would Kerry build a coalition with? It all sounds good if you did not know the above which most Americans do not.

How do you repair that damage? you let time go buy and you let those players know that inspite of the games they played we will still work with them but from now on it needs to be above board. Secondly the war on terror is global. Captitlating to the enemy hurts everyone.

The truth of the matter is that GW asked the rest of the world to back up it's threats via the UN to deal with the dangers of Iraq. They blinked and he did not. The terrorist know that they will blink again they know GW and the US will not. Do you think Kerry will blink. I think you can bet on it.


AM ,GH
2 slams in a row with out one fact or rebuttal of the evidence posted. Just like Kerry emotion with out substance reason or accountability. I know it's tough being cornered in an indefensable positon but at least post more of your conspiracies and lies it was at least entertaining.

No way gh.

WE are the wackos.

The ones who said there were no WMD.

The ones who insisted fronm the beginning there was no al qaeda connection between 9/11 and Iraq.

The ones who suggested we fight the ACTUAL people who attcked us.

You righties still refuse to believe any of it.

Its amazing that seemingly smart people can be so flat out stupid....ignorant even.

Anyone send THEIR apologies to a family of a dead soldier...or do you only support the living troops?

TK,

You actually think that an isolationist approach is preferred? There's a lot of munutia involved with every country, but that doesn't mean that America needs to pick up the full tab for every conflict where there may be benefit to the free world.

The problem with Bush is that he does not have presidential communication skills and his depth of understanding of critical issues is shaky. Atleast with Kerry, you know where he's coming from and he'll tell you his position. He isn't affraid to have multidementional thoughts. Some people can't handle complex nuances. I guess if you fall into that boat, then Kerry isn't your man.

Bush on the other hand, provides such trite justifications for his actions, whether its tax cuts or going to war, it leads people to question whether he really knows what the hell he is doing and is a capable president.

There is no use trying to explain to the right why the middle hates Bush, in spite of how obvious it is.

I'll betcha when McCain runs in 2008 the party will have gotten it.

Til then I'm confident Kerry will be a better president than Dumbya. Hell, an autistic crack monkey with a brain tumor could do a better job, although admittedly it would have to rely on his appointees almost as much as Dumbya has his for the intellectual stuff....I'll bet that monkey might even support stem cell research given his lack of religious predilection.......

Oh...sorry Elvis.

PREDILICTION

BTW....

Apologies? Dead soldiers?

I'm waiting..........

TK,

I think your last post was a good one and I understand where you're coming from, but we differ on who the better man is to take the country forward from where we are today.

Jeff'ed,

" Presidential communication skills". That is DNC propaganda and a sterotype perpetrated by the media. Don't Tell me you are going to fall for that? . I and many undersatnd him just fine. BTW Harvard does not give out MBA and Yale does nto give out undergratuate degrees unless you earn them. Is he as swuave as Clinton? no but he does just fine.
If I have found one truth in my life it is to judge someone on thier actions not thier words as the two rarely line up. Bush has a much better record than Kerry.

H20,

I understand why you are angry with God and President Bush . Why do think people have to give you thier apologies for the dead soldiers. Dillusional this AM ?

I wouldn't figure or your sorry sack of **** president would have the balls to look a family in the eye and say "my decision caused the death of your son. The nation is grateful and I am sorry"

Didn't think so.

Nothing is more cowardly than refusing to accept responsibility for your decisions.

When the regrouped and resurging Al Qaeda attacks america again will you explain to the families whyb their sons died fighting in Iraq and not fighting terrorism?

Or will you still continue to make excuses for the worst president in american history?

Excuses is my bet.

...and ignorant political rhetoric that completely ignores the question.

H20...and ignorant emotion that completely ignores the question and the facts that answer the question.

You feet are stuck in the mud of your hate thats plain and simple to see. If you had a postion based on facts or logic we could debate it but it's impossible to debate hate.

Emotion... yeah, right. Typical rightie dodge.

Most people, even those of the simplist minds, will note there isn't an ounce of emotion in my last post. It is pure and simple fact. No hyperbole, no sarcasm, no emotion. If I have to explain that, you wouldn't understand.

Now on to this:

I hadn't realized that the Democrats were the ones that labeled Reagan as the "Great Communicator." I wonder why the GOP doesn't renounce that stereotype...

Same reason your stupid constitutional amendment banning gay marriage never even had a breath of life in the congress.

For the record, I don't hate God. I just don't believe in God the same way do. I suppose this makes me as destined for your Hell as anyone who doesn't share your religious beliefs......

What I do hate is religious hypocrisy, which God has nothing to do with. It doesn't take a whole lot of study to see where the Dilhole administration poops all over its own 'religious convictions'.

Anyone else find it ironic that God told Dumbya to kill? You know, they used to put people in the looney bin for saying that stuff out loud. God told Hinckley that if he killed Reagan he'd get some Jodie Foster action.......

That God.....he really does have a sense of humor after all! Ya think he knew she was gay the whole time?

Scowak, go now and join the military. I'm sure you will enjoy every minute of your favorite war. And you would be so proud of your work. You can come back and boast about it here, in the Life after fishing section and we will be all ears. You can change your name to SUPER AMERCAN PATRIOT 1. You would be helping GW to smoke out each and every hater of America where ever they may nest and the Governments that shelters them. GW has created plenty of work for you by helping with their recruiting, improving and strenthening of his " Axis Of Evil," (North Korea, Iran, France Germany, Canada, China, Syria, Libia, Russia and the Soviet Republic, U.N. and any one else that we can pin the terror label on)..... Not to forget those leftwing liberals here at home. while you and GW sit at each side of your God in Heaven, having freed the world of terror and after Mars, the whole Universe. It's a big job and you are needed now at your local selective service office.

Ever notice how members of this board that we care for and were the first to serve in this war are more reseved in there opinons about the war and are not thumping their chest in ape like fashion. Don't see um waving banner's for Chicken hawks either. They are the hero's (that are in our prayers) because they were obligated to serve there country, take the risk and did so admirably, while those like you Scowak, so eager for war, sit and type, while being a repulsive Chicken Hawk, as GW is (Viet Nam), for all to see. Even though some have finish there active duty and are back to fishing and enjoying their families, they still need our prayers for good health and continued successs, after exposure to the hazards of war. Tell GW to give them the support (medical, Financial) and resouces they need in civilian life while you type out those long diatribes of yours.

H20,

I don't remeber voting for a gay marriage ban in the constitution. I don't even remember supporting it. Heck as a strict constituionalist I think that it's none of the states business and it certainly has nothing to do with 99% of the relions as they are mostly civil cerimonies.

JLH,

That stuff is old and tired 3rd grade palyground antics. There is no requirement to serve for anyone in this country. It would be like me saying hey JLH if you want to vote for gay rights you have to be gay or if you want to vote for abortion you have to be a woman.
Are you Gay or a woman if not then shut your mouth about those issue's. Does that work for you or are you proposing separate standards like most libs here?

GH,

well lets break it down then.


Chicken-hawk = fact or emotion?

broken record = Fact or emotion?

misinformation= fact or emotion?

ill conceived rhetoric spewing = Fact or emotion?


Well I see no facts related to this or similar topics and all emotion.

The King

"There is no requirement to serve for anyone in this country."

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Makes it easy for Chicken Hawks to sit behind a keyboard typing while others are dying for no good reason.

Iraq was not involved in 911. Floating that big fat Gay Rights Red herring, doesn't work with me. I see that as childish, immature and desperate on your part. Since it's not a requirement to serve and most of our soldiers are exhausted, having to do double duty and the military being stretched so thin, I figure guys llike you and Scowak would be glad to put it all on the line. Go volunteer and enlist. George Bush needs Guys with your conviction and support fighting his war on terror. Still a lot more of those guilty (911)dangerous (WMD) Iraqi's to get rid of. Don't want them (Iraqi's) flying more planes into our buildings, do we?

You wouldn't want a Gay to take that slot that you could fill much more effectivly, would you? So no, you don't have to serve, but brave cyber Hawks as you and Scowak, are sure to be assets on the front line of Bush's war on terror. Be sure to anounce to us your departure date, so we can wish you a good farwell. You will still be able to vote for Bush while serving in Iraq, but please check for hanging Chad's. I do want your vote and every vote to count, so that we don't have to appoint another president. It's been a long 4 years with this regime and we all need relief. Pass me a ballot please!

JLH,

Great I know what I am but what are you come back. Got any real sticks and stones stuff you are saving?


Lets assume for a minute that you are right about WMD we cannot use 9-11 involvement becasue it was never given as a reason for the invasion by the president or congress.

1 We believe Iraq has WMD.

2. Iraq has denied inspections since 1998.

3. The risk to the US if Iraq gets WMD is too great.

4. Iraq is a threat to the region.

6. Iraq persistantly violates UN Resolutions.

7. Iraq is in material and unnacceptable breach of peace treaty obligations.

8. Iraq brutally represses its own citizens.

9. Iraq has fired on US troops, on thousands of occasions.

10. Iraq tried to assassinate a US President.

11. Iraq supports and harbors terorists.

12. Iraq has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people.

13. Regime change is the official policy of the US toward Iraq.

Only the #1 of these is under any question. Twelve perfectly good reasons even if intelligence data on WMD were faulty.

Congress gave those very same reasons (among others) for going to war in Iraq.

The WMD issue is still not resolved as even France, germany, Russia and the rest of the world admitted that Iraq possesed them. Where they are and what happened to them is a better question than did they exist.

And to top it all off did you have a premontion about the WMD or did you gain that position from the rear view mirror after the invasion? How would you have ever developed that opinion if we did not invade. Some see it as being enlightend to support or be passive on something until it is seen as somewhat popular to oppose it bassed on the rearview mirror. But I find it shameful. You knew nothing and you still know nothing as shown by your partyline words.

To John Lee Hookum and goharley,

It's one thing to attack a persons politics--it's quite another to personally attack a person because of their politics.

This time every summer the kings come into Elliott Bay and during the week when the Bay is closed to boats I enjoy jig fishing for them off Seacrest pier in West Seattle just up from the Don Armeni boat launch in the morning before work.

I am formally "volunteering" to meet you there tomorrow before 8:30 AM to give you an opportunity to attempt to personally attack me to my face.

Then you you can find out for yourself exactly how afraid I am to fight to protect my country, my family or indeed my own honor.

Just ask for Scott--everybody knows me.

Its because I am so small and wimpy.

I punch like Donahue on estrogen.

Only fight I've ever been in is with my hairdresser....straighten or bunch?

I throw like Lamar Latrell.

Anyone else just want to die laughing that everyone's favorite god fearing "christian" is asking someone to step outside?

bwa haaaaa!!!

SCOWAK

"I am formally "volunteering" to meet you there tomorrow before 8:30 AM to give you an opportunity to attempt to personally attack me to my face.

Then you you can find out for yourself exactly how afraid I am to fight to protect my country, my family or indeed my own honor.

Just ask for Scott--everybody knows me."

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I go out fishing and come back with this childish crap? Dude you are so silly. If you saw me I am 100% sure you would not get in my face with this stupid crap. First of all I am absolutly sure that I am much taller, stronger and larger than you. When I fish that Pier, I am usually a half foot or more taller than anybody on that dock. So, look for the biggest guy on the Pier and that would probably be me. Be sure to introduce yourself and ask If JLH is my name. I have an athletic background and no fear of Midgets and there midget sized brain.

And You SCOWAK, are a midget with an itchy trigger finger. Save your trigger finger, you will need it to help GW smoke um out. Can't smoke um out with a trigger finger that's sore from shooting other fisherman in the back.

Now go find the address for the Axis of Evil and kick some terror bu**, and please stay out of jail in the process

Kinda neat to see that my "Dumbya" remark to "Scowacko" from a previous post has found further use. Keep up the good fight . Fishy.......

Like Uncle Elmer Fudd said: "There's sum thin vewy vewy skwooey goin on awound here... You Quayzee Wabbit......

Pass the Lithium, Bugs.....

c'mon man, that donahue stuff was worth at least a chuckle.

you spell worse than elvis

...looks like the chicken hawks flew the coop.

Its really interesting to see certain people talk about fighting for the country and have never been in the military, and have never had to take up arms to defend her. Because if they had, they would not be so fast to send others into that type of a situation.
It is amazing to see what some people will do in the name of religion...................Fishy...

I get a kick out of how everyone on the internet is 6'4 250 with 25" guns and a 3rd degree blackbelt hints or outright assertions.

The guy told you where to look him up just take him up on it no sense jawing about it here if you are interested in a dance look him up.

AM,

Women need to keep their pie hole closed when men are talking about a trip to Fist City. Nothing worse than a mouthy hen in that situation.

Internet tough guys are a dime a dozen.


.....and pathetic.

If he was not there and his name was not Scott then I would agree. I have a feeling he will be there and his name is Scott and anyone that wants to contiune to challange someones manhood with the "sign up or shut up line" is even more childish and even more of a coward if they don't go down and say it to his face. Because in reality you are calling the guy out by posting that horsehocky and there is no way out of it. Then sitting back and calling him an internet tough guy . So either put up or shut up. On top of it all there is a hen cackling from the back row.

I left stlhdH20 out because I actually like stlhdH20. Despite the fact that we don't agree on many political issues--I actually have come to enjoy the way he makes his political points with caustic wit and a sense of humor.

You'll note that I said there was a difference between attacking a persons politics and personally attacking someone because of their politics.

It was JLH's hateful and threatening post towards my honor and religious convictions that lit my fuse!

As for your other questions, I've never hit a women in anger and I love my dog dearly.

BTW--No 6'10" 300 lbs. 5th degree Black Belt showed up this morning to teach me a lesson on bravery, honor, fishing or anything else--high tide was at 7:21 and there were seven kings caught before 8:30 AM

bs...its the donahue/estrogen thing and you know it.

besides...I'm 9'12" tall with hands the size of hams. heck, my left teste is bigger than elvis' brain cavity.....

H20,

Impossible it's a well known fact that smoking dope shrinks your nads. I bet you have the nads of a guppy by now!

And besides you have admitted you cannot roll a Db over by yourself so how tough could you be :p

SCOWAK

BTW--No 6'10" 300 lbs. 5th degree Black Belt showed up this morning to teach me a lesson on bravery, honor, fishing or anything else--high tide was at 7:21 and there were seven kings caught before 8:30 AM
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SCOWAK, you have the mine of a child and you are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Why would anyone invite trouble to their favorite fishing hole. I fish to be far away from fools like you. I'm sure you have every kind of automatic weapon ever made in the trunk of your car. I often fish that Pier, and like I said when you see a guy about 6'8" fishing and minding his business that could be me. Just ask each guy out there that's around that height ( only seen one other guy almost my size there, most are 5 footish of less)) and there is a very good chance that it would be yours truly. Identify yourself please and I will know who you are. You see, I never packed heat to the fishing hole. So I will check you out first SCOTT. Maybe have the police take a look at your car and tackle bag after showing them the threat thread to justify their search. I'm sure once the police see me and my size and look at your threat in this tread they are sure that you would have to be insane, packing or suicidal.

You are so incredibily stupid. Why in the World would you think that I would get out of bed for someone as crazy and out of control as yourself. You have absolutely no meaning in my life and I don't associate with low lifes as yourself. I could care less about you getting up and being there at 8:30 AM this morning. What does that prove? Only show's how stupid you really are. Why don't you get up tomorrow morning (8:30) and take your Chicken Hawk bu** down to the selective service office and put that negative energy of your's to work in THE WAR ON TERROR? What I did this morning around that time was, go to my YOGA class, had a Sauna and Jacuzzi and then had a wonderful day with healthy, intellegent people.

When the fishing is hot at Seacrest I will definitely be there the try my hand a catching a Hog.

By the way Scott you are a loser and you need therapy. You should not be allow to have a weapon, because you are mentally ill and not reponsible. A crime wave waiting to happen! Were those your budddy's that ganged up on the Gay guy on Capital Hill recently, that's in the News? Lots of Neo-Psycho's like yourself out there! Just a bunch of Chicken Hawks, running in packs, angry because your stupidity hurt's so bad and the pain make it difficult to be in your own skin. Must be absolutly miserable!

the king

The guy told you where to look him up just take him up on it no sense jawing about it here if you are interested in a dance look him up

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Refer to the above. How old are you man? You come off like you have the mentality of a Juvenile. If that's the case, you are not old enough for selective service in the first place.

You and Scowak are so ignorant and such poor debaters that you deserve to be sent to the penalty box for showing what morons you are. Any normal person would feel ashame of representing themselves as poorly as the two of you do.

I say you and Scowak should put your bu** where your mouth is and give the boy's a hand in the War on terror. If you are 18, you are qualified and can now go register. If not, and you will turn 18 soon, be sure to put that date on the calendar and get there fast.

Now go get em Tiger!

I can too roll a db myself.


oh....driftboat.

well....i woulda tried a few years ago....just needed a spotter is all.

Ahen,

Who cares only a classless woman would insert herself in men's affairs such as this. Only a real classless loser sticks their nose in others business and then calls the cops.

JLH,

No the real child is someone calling out someone like you have then playing the name calling game when he calls your bluff. Someone with debating skills would never issue a zero sum challenge like you did that is a thin veiled attack on a mans character. Specifically when there is no requirement for such action in the US to have an opinion. The fact that you have not been down for a visit speaks louder than your posts here.

Ahen,

Big bonus up to $20K Wow really I could make a house payment! Lets have a 10k race and the losers join! you up for that?

Ahen,

I'll think about you when I clean out the horse stalls today :p The results are the same but at least i can fertilize the garden with what the horses leave behind :p

the king

Specifically when there is no requirement for such action in the US to have an opinion

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Makes it easy to play Chicken Hawk when it's somebody else and not you making the sacrifice. You seem so over joyed about the fact that, in the US, it is not a requirement that we put our arse where our mouth is.

You and Scowaky can take your gun's and have an old fashion shoot out with the terrorist as soon as the both of you enlist and are in uniform. We all can see how brave, how tough and patriotic you are here in the cyber world, and we can't wait to see you in real action, in real time, on the Fox News channel with Ollie North (live from Bagdad), giving your pal's a big hello, down at The Seacrest Fishing Pier. Be sure to check in here (PP), to give us a heads up on the air time (dates etc.,) so all of America can stands in salute to your bravery.

You guy's will be right up there with Paul Revere, a true patriot, with your give me liberty (Iraq) or give me dealth determination for this War. Who know's, one of these day's your picture's could be on a pieces of Iraq's currency.

I'll be waiting for a Fox alert and do plan on being one of the guy's waving back to the two of you from the Seacrest Pier. Just look for the tallest guy of the bunch and it will more than likely be me, holding up a nice slab (chrome King) with Lice.

Hurry now, you must enlist fast, the terrorist are multiplying as we speak.

Enough of the huff and puff behavior, I'm one of the few people that has to read all this stuff so let's raise this communication up a couple of notches and pretend to be adults.

JLH,

I have yet to see you post anything but that same drivel. It's childish and meaningless. In your low rent world it most likely subsitutes for a point or an opinion.

the king

In your low rent world it most likely subsitutes for a point or an opinion.
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Dude, you are one silly sick puppy! What kind of drivel is that? Is that the best you can do? Why do you avoid the core issue? Why are you resisting your calling so much? Can't you hear the UNCLE SAM wants you slogan screeming at you or are you ingnoring it in your typical CHICKEN HAWK fashion? Just like your last post indicates. Your words look to me like giant ear plugs and blind folds that keep you from hearing and seeing what you really represent. YEP! You're right to avoid the truth, because it shows everyone including yourself, tne Big Fat & Stuffy CHICKEN you really are and it's hurts.

Anyone know where to buy gluvit in Port Angeles?

No prob....

Chicken-hawk? yes; fervently supports war without participating = fact

Broken record? yes; continuously posts same rhetoric about waging war, religious right, "my belief is the only belief" = fact

Misinformation? yes; posts have contained erroneous information and twisted facts = fact

Ill conceived rhetoric spewing? yes; see all the above = fact

Furthermore:

As DanS would say, "Pot, meet the kettle."

I'd take you up on that invitation, but I'm a little busy getting some guys ready to try and fix the mess your fuehrer started.

JLH,

Lets flip that around. Will you move your family to DC, NYC ,Chicago or LA or any other high probability target of terrorists and fly commercial airliners? Are you willing to put your family where your mouth is? Or did you just parrot a line that sounded good? It's easy talk lets see some action! I hear there is lot's of work in those cities for a guy that can say" would you like fries with that" as well as you can :p

Geez, like Seattle isn't a major target. If you wanted to make a statement in the Northwest, what local icon would you target? That's right boys and girls - the one and only Space Needle. Now consider the ease of slipping some nasty weapon into the Port of Tacoma or Port of Seattle and we got us a party.

comon thinking among the pros from what I have read is that Seattle is not a major target .There is nothing symbolic about the space needle. It would not crash the stock markets or stop people from traveling. It might stop people for going up in Space needles. They would not hit a military inst. Unless it was symbolic like the pentagon. They want to target something that will damage the economy it is the way to have the most bang for the buck. Shutting down a metro area like NYC, Chicago Or Dc would have that impact.

Part of the reason to bomb certain targets is to demoralize the enemy. The space needle would be the most visible target here in the northwest, Demoralize, then defeat.
the Art of War, long read but still holds very true to this day..........Fishy.........

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What's this non sense? Man you are reallly confused. You can't think of anything rational or intellegent in your reply, so you continue to make a fool of yourself. Anything to take the attention away from the bill of goods you have been trying to sell in this forum. There is no flip side that involves me when it comes to your stupidity.

I have a comfortable home here in the NW overlooking Elliott Bay and want be moving anytime soon. As for work, I am very comfortable as I did real well with my investments during the Ragan and Clinton Years. I enjoy the lifestyle of a sucessful entrepreneur which give me plenty of time to expand my mind and grow spiritualy. I'm a sponge for knowlege and constantlly look for the real truth that's out there.

Think I will leave the burger flipping to teenagers as yourself and continue to spend lots of time fishing. Maybe when you get back from Iraq, you and I can drown a worm at the Seacrest Pier.

... and that's when they get ya.

JLH,

Yes it is nonsense, it's the same challenge you use just flipped around. Now go flip that burger.

the king

Yes it is nonsense, it's the same challenge you use just flipped around. Now go flip that burger.

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Man you are a real gem? :rolleyes: OK, here's what I'll do, I will flip burger's if and when you have folllowed though and enlisted. Then you must prove to me that you have replaced a tired and spent serviceman now serving in Iraq. Once Fox give us an update and you give us a smile standing next to Ollie North, at that point I will get UPI and the AP to film me flipping burgers to show the world that you and I both are men of our word.

I'll even send a dozen burgers to you in Iraq for xmas, your birthday or both. I know how much you kids love your burger's, so I will be sure to put lot's of cheese on it with all the trimming's. You've got to promise me one thing though? You must share a few with others that are serving with ya.

Now go hurry down and enlist. I will try to see Matha Stewart before she is locked away and get some of her recipes (the one with Viagra as an ingredient) for burgers to suit the like's of you. I will get her to dig in her truck of treasures to find that seldom used Chicken Hawk recipe. I hear it help's to get a down and out Chicken Hawk thats losing feathers up, and ready to continues, to work his mouse in no time. Once you are again able to handle your mouse, then it want be long before you can hold a pen, and with your signature you off to Iraq.

So now lets get the ball rolling. I've got to have you over there so that I can finish my end of your deal. I'm glad you came up with this idea. You have a lot of potential. I still say you should look into Higher education. There could be a genious underneath the few feathers you are grasping to hold on to. Maybe a real genious?

I found the gluvit at R & R Marine Supply.