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#269284 - 08/03/04 08:39 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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GH,

Again zero facts all emotion. I think you are A Hens alter ego and do not really exist beacuse you never see one without the other.
As we can see, TK is totally unable to debate without name calling. :rolleyes:

If that isn't a display of emotion (exhibiting a lack of emotional IQ) I don't know what is.

Not unlike a child who has yet to develop a social conscience.
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#269285 - 08/03/04 08:42 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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#269286 - 08/03/04 08:51 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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You resorted to name calling TK, and you do it everytime you lose an argument. It's your "emotional" way of dealing with defeat. It's what little kids do.

You need to grow up.
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#269287 - 08/03/04 09:05 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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Hen,

Quit cackling and let the people I name called answer for themselves. If and when I address you its real clear. Busy body!
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#269288 - 08/03/04 09:13 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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Actually, you don't DESERVE any answers from the good folks posting here. THEY and I deserve an apology.

But I am sure, since you're obviously a child, you aren't "MAN ENOUGH"
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#269289 - 08/03/04 09:13 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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This is better than the WB...

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#269290 - 08/03/04 01:18 PM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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GH,

Again zero facts all emotion.

Very astute, Elvis - there was no fact in that statement. But it is full of emotion. An emotion of hilarity and comical wonderment at your thought processes. If nothing else, you are entertaining. I even share some of your thoughts and posts with my fellow employees. They get quite a laugh out of your "wisdom," too, but don't let all that go to your head.

Ever consider taking your act on the road? ;\)
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#269291 - 08/03/04 01:32 PM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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"I even share some of your thoughts and posts with my fellow employees."

It's quite common for someone who has little confidence in his thoughts or opinions to enlist the help of others to support his position for comfort. Rather than stand up an defend his position. But we know with you GH that only happpens every 20 posts or so. All the blather inbetween is just a stall tactic so you can do a goggle search for your next " Bush lied and people died" type tag line.
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#269292 - 08/03/04 01:37 PM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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It's quite common for someone who has little confidence in his thoughts or opinions to enlist the help of others to support his position for comfort
You mean like posting Zell Miller's opinion?

Sorry.......but that one was just HANGING over the plate. ;\)
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#269293 - 08/03/04 09:04 PM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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Trust me Scowak makes this stuff up as he goes along. I repeat on more time for those( that one person that is a little s-l-o-w).Kerry said he would increase the military by 40,000, but would send no more troops to Iraq.Listen to the speech, buy a clue, but stop taking guesses about these thing and posting them like we are the type of tripe that would not know enough to have our own opinon. You know, clarity to see, analysize and interpret before running off at the mouth.
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#269294 - 08/04/04 08:45 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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SSF

"Kerry said he would increase the military by 40,000, but would send no more troops to Iraq" He said that at the convention. But before the convention and for the last 6 months he has manitained troop strength was too low and would send more troops into Iraq. I think he was playing up to MCCain at the time. The problem with Kerry is he moves his poistion from day to day.
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#269295 - 08/04/04 09:14 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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TK,

Again, I say prove it. My search of the internet does NOT produce any results saying

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before the convention and for the last 6 months he has manitained troop strength was too low and would send more troops into Iraq.
Kerry has made the 40,000 troop increase issue throughout his campaign and has stated repeatedly, he would not use them to increase troops in Iraq. He said there could possibly be an overlapping but that would only be due to logistics and not wanting to have some depart BEFORE replacements arrived.

He did not say he planned to increase troops in Iraq.

However, he is absolutely right that we need to expand troop strength ASAP. Anyone who has endured the rigors of war up close and personal understands WHY you can't expect troops to do double and triple their service in combat situations. It's what we keep hearing from the "expert" retired generals also.
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#269296 - 08/04/04 09:24 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=71000001&refer=us&sid=apQHTegvEtDo

Kerry Calls for More Troops to Bolster U.S. Military (Update1)
May 28 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry called for increasing the U.S. military by 40,000 troops, probably for a decade, in order ``to match its new missions'' in the war on terror and homeland security.
The added troops would help ``relieve over-extended'' National Guard and reservists in Iraq and Afghanistan, Kerry spokesman David Wade said. Half of the additional 40,000 troops would be used as military police and for civil affairs, tasks now mainly carried out by reservists; the other 20,000 would be combat troops. The U.S. now has about 138,000 troops in Iraq.
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#269297 - 08/04/04 09:29 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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Either

a) you can't read or
b) you are trying to cover your error

That article does not state Kerry intends to increase troop numbers in Iraq.
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#269298 - 08/04/04 09:54 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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I suppose you could see it both ways depending on the slant of sources. But at the time the contention was that Kerry was calling for adding troops in Iraq. It was at the same time Mccain was saying it. If you read the later articles it appears that the number would stay the same because of rotations. It hard to decipher because Kerry maintained months earlier that he would reduce US troops in Iraq and out lined several plans to do so.


KUCINICH CATCHES KERRY IN TROOP TRAP

Kerry Denies Calling For 40,000 More Troops. KUCINICH: “You said you want to send 40,000 more troops [to Iraq].” KERRY: “I have never said that.” KUCINICH: “You never said you wanted to bring 40,000 more troops ever?” KERRY: “No …” (CNN/Los Angeles Times, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Los Angeles, CA, 2/26/04)

But Kerry Did Call For 40,000 More Troops To Meet Commitments In Iraq And Around World. “Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Tuesday he would expand the U.S. military within his first 100 days as president, contending 40,000 more troops are needed to meet America's responsibilities around the world. Kerry told supporters at Drake University that the occupation of Iraq as well as the global war against terrorism require more troops.” (Mike Wilson, “Kerry Would Expand Military As President,” The Associated Press, 12/17/03)
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#269299 - 08/04/04 10:04 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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TK,

If the press misrepresented what Kerry's plan was, I don't think you can tag Kerry with a flip-flop. The press release is only ambigous to you.

Kerry has a clear vision of what he wants to accomplish. That involves takiing pressure OFF the troops and reservists already serving. I would say that is called "supporting the troops" and taking care of their needs.

What do you think "stay the course" really means to a reservist facing the prospect of a third tour in Iraq? What do you think a soldier or reservist thinks when GW refuses to increase Veterens funding for health care etc?
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#269300 - 08/04/04 10:05 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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Originally posted by Theking:

The problem with Kerry is he moves his position from day to day. [/QB]
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That's the great thing about John "Pierre" Kerry--if you don't like his position on a particular issue, just wait a few days and if it becomes politically advantageous he'll change it.
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#269301 - 08/04/04 10:10 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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"If the press misrepresented what Kerry's plan was, I don't think you can tag Kerry with a flip-flop. The press release is only ambigous to you.

Kerry has a clear vision of what he wants to accomplish. That involves takiing pressure OFF the troops and reservists already serving. I would say that is called "supporting the troops" and taking care of their needs."


AM,

I do not think the press or anyone including any of the Dems or repubs misrepresented what Kerry said. Kerry said it and only clarified his position over time to the point where it is today. He has yet to show how he will pay for it .
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#269302 - 08/04/04 10:23 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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Don't you get tired of being wrong TK?

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INDEPENDENCE, Mo., June 3 -- In his most extensive remarks on the future of the American military, Sen. John F. Kerry said here Thursday that he would expand the active-duty Army by 40,000 soldiers, including a doubling of U.S. Special Forces; speed development of new technologies and equipment to meet threats posed by terrorist networks; and better integrate the National Guard into the nation's homeland security strategy.




The Democratic presidential candidate said that, to cover part of the cost of his proposals, he would cut back current funding for a national missile defense system, which he characterized as "the wrong priority" at a time when the nature of the threats has changed.

Kerry repeated his charge that the Bush administration has instituted a "backdoor draft" to deal with a military stretched thin by deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, and pledged as president to expand and transform the armed services to handle more effectively the unconventional threats of the 21st century.

Kerry seized on Wednesday's Pentagon announcement that it will extend tours of duty for thousands of troops whose units may be heading to Iraq and Afghanistan, part of the administration's effort to deal with a much higher level of violence than it had anticipated.

"From Day One, this administration has been obsessed with threats from other states, instead of opening their eyes to the perils of the new century: terrorist organizations with or without ties to rogue nations and failed states, entities that can become their sanctuaries," Kerry said in a speech at the Harry S. Truman Presidential Museum and Library. "These are the enemies our military is facing, and this is where we must train, arm and equip our military to win."

It was the Massachusetts senator's third major address on foreign policy in a week. He combined strong rhetoric designed to reassure voters that he would be a capable commander in chief with criticism of President Bush's policies aimed at casting himself as a more forward-looking military leader.

As part of Thursday's program, Kerry advisers announced a military advisory panel for the campaign that includes two former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, retired Army Gen. John M. Shalikashvili and retired Navy Adm. William J. Crowe Jr.; a former director of central intelligence, retired Navy Adm. Stansfield Turner; and retired Army Gen. Wesley K. Clark, who challenged Kerry in the primaries.

Bush campaign spokesmen challenged Kerry's diagnosis and his commitment to a strong military, with Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) describing Kerry's reference to a "backdoor draft" as "absurd." The Bush officials pointed to Kerry's past positions in opposition to some major weapons programs and upbraided him for campaigning in Florida on Wednesday rather than returning to the Senate to vote for a $25 billion appropriation for troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, which passed 95 to 0.

Asserting that U.S. forces "are stretched too thin," Kerry said in his speech that the administration has mismanaged the war in Iraq and that those U.S. forces and their families are paying the price.

"The administration's answer has been to put a Band-Aid on the problem," he said. "They have effectively used a 'stop-loss' policy as a backdoor draft. They have extended tours of duty, delayed retirements and prevented enlisted personnel from leaving the service."

Kerry said the Pentagon announcement marks just one more mistake by an administration that he said has failed to adapt to new threats posed since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"We went into Iraq with too few troops to prevent looting and crime, to maintain security, fundamental order, to secure nearly a million tons of conventional weapons now being used against our troops," he said. "We failed to build alliances and squandered the opportunity to generate wider support inside Iraq, in the Arab world and among major powers so critical to every effort we have made through the last century. These mistakes have complicated our mission: a stable Iraq with a representative government secure in its borders."

Kerry likened the challenges facing the next president to those that confronted Truman at the end of World War II when the world was challenged by a nuclear threat from the Soviet Union and the task of rebuilding a shattered Europe. "Today, in the post-9/11 world, we stand at another historic crossroad," he said. "We must change if we are to meet and defeat the danger." He added that the threats of the 21st century cannot be defeated "with a military from the last one."

Kerry earlier had proposed expanding the active-duty Army by 40,000 troops, but went further Thursday in detailing that and other recommendations. He said the 40,000 additional troops eventually could help relieve the burden on current active-duty, reserve and National Guard forces.

Kerry also said he would reshape U.S. forces by expanding the kinds of units required in post-conflict environments such as that in Iraq, saying he would add civil affairs, military police, combat support and psychological operations units.

Kerry said current forces -- and their families -- are so exhausted and burdened that "we are in danger of creating another hollow Army," a reference to the reduction in capability and morale that followed the Vietnam War.

He criticized the administration for not providing the forces in Iraq with all the equipment they need. "As president, I will see to it that we don't have to have bake sales and bargain-basement sell-offs, yard sales by parents and buy on the Internet to supply the troops of the United States of America."

The Democratic candidate offered few details to explain how he intends to speed the development and use of advanced technology, from communications gear to precision weapons.

A Kerry adviser estimated that the expanded force levels would cost $5 billion to $8 billion a year, but said Kerry intends to make his transformation budget neutral. The candidate singled out missile defense, a priority of the Bush administration, as a major target for cuts. "We must build missile defense," he said, "but not at the cost of other pressing priorities."

Focusing on the National Guard, Kerry said Bush's decision to send Guard forces to Iraq has undermined homeland security. "Sending thousands of National Guard members to Iraq has actually weakened our ability to defend our own country," he said.

I think Kerry understands far more than Bush does. We can't do this on our own and we need help in Iraq. The rest of the world will not give that help until we elect a better leader.

All we get from Bush is "STAY the COURSE" which only equates to deaths of our troops and innocent Iraqi's.

Kerry has been VERY clear to me. He has a plan, Bush has no plan.
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#269303 - 08/04/04 10:39 AM Re: Your hero is a zero!
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Am,

You need to check that because he has since changed his mind again. As late as Monday when asked he no specific plan to pay for the proposal or his health care proposal etc. He will be challenged more an more on it in the next 90 days.

Making campaign promises is easy when you have to be elected to be held accountable for them. Flippers record is very clear he has provided no ground breaking or even exciting changes to the senate or to the American people as a senator.

Women and Democrats who tend towards emotion like his kind of talk. But then again they do not want to be held accountable so why should they hold Kerry accountable?
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