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#270727 - 08/23/04 04:25 PM Why vote for Kerry?
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Other than his 4 Months in Vietnam which is a pointless reason to vote for someone why should we vote for Kerry? List his accomplishments that make him presidential material.

No Bush slams make this all about Kerrys qulaifications please.

I have one. Theresa H Kerry said last week that if I vote for her husband " John Kerry will stop global warming". Anyone more powerful than the Sun gets my vote :p
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#270728 - 08/23/04 04:29 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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Whatsamatter? Running out of things to smear/attack so you're looking for more fodder? As enlightened as you claim to be, I'd figure you already know why people are voting for Kerry. You're not actually admitting there's something you don't already know, are you?
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#270729 - 08/23/04 04:33 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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As I thought no reasons just the old ad hominem attack. I would bet there are very few reasons anyone can come up with other tha he is not GW.
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#270730 - 08/23/04 04:42 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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Right on que, Elvis. ;\)

By the way, not surprisingly,

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... no reasons just the old ad hominem attack
doesn't even make sense.
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#270731 - 08/23/04 04:44 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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1. A plan to reduce the deficit in half in 4 years.
2. Provide a fresh start and new leadership that the rest of the world does not associate negitivity with Bush. This should lead to new alliances for the war on terror.
3. A president willing to take on the health care establishment and runaway premiums.
4. Support for Stem Cell Research.
5. A platform that values families, not just stating that they support family values.
6. A plan for energy independence.
7. Pro Environment.

I'd say, that's a good start.

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#270732 - 08/23/04 04:51 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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Jeff, Jeff, Jeff. How many times have you been told, "Don't feed the animals!"

;\)
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#270733 - 08/23/04 04:52 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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very funny GH!

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#270734 - 08/23/04 04:53 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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Jeff'ed,

At least you have a few.


1. A plan to reduce the deficit in half in 4 years.
(Kerry has not outlined how he will do this in a manner that any economist can see it working)


2. Provide a fresh start and new leadership
that the rest of the world does not associate negitivity with Bush. This should lead to new alliances for the war on terror.
( Name the countries that will sign on and has sstated as such)


3. A president willing to take on the health care establishment and runaway premiums.
( Without raising taxes or increasing spending? How will that happen. Remember The other John made 50 million suing Drs. and insurance companies. I cannot imagine the trial lawyers supporting him if he plans to cut out their bread and butter can you?)


4. Support for Stem Cell Research.
How without increasing taxes or spending and cutting the deficiet at the same time?)


5. A platform that values families, not just stating that they support family values.
(Intangible)


6. A plan for energy independence.
One thing he said that I agree on is a .50 cent tax on a gallon of gas. He woul add it to the general fund I would not and would want to see 100% of it go to alternative fuel programs.)

7. Pro Environment.
( How so? his voting record does not reflect such)
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#270736 - 08/23/04 04:57 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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John Kerry will....
1.Restore respect for America from our allies that was squandered by Bush
2.Protect the enviroment
3.Not pander to huge corporations like Halliburton and Enron or groups like the NRA
4.Not be controlled by the so-called "Christian Right"
5.Not drag the US into a bogus war
6.Restore stem-cell research
7.Protect a woman's right to choose
8.Not try to fill the Supreme Court with right wing idealogy
9.Reduce the deficit like Clinton did by making the wealthy pay their share of income without using huge loopholes that the GOP provides
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#270737 - 08/23/04 05:16 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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The debates should help ferret out the pie in the sky from a reasonable plan and I am truly looking forward to them. Yesterday, when asked by Tim Russert will the Bush / Cheney campaign for 2004 commit to 3 debates, the campaign spokesman waffled a bit......

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#270738 - 08/23/04 05:22 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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I would vote for anyone that has a chance at knocking Bush out of office.
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#270739 - 08/23/04 05:22 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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Al Gore counted on the debates also and did not get what he hoped for. I think they will hurt Kerry because he will have to get specific something he has avoided to date.
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#270740 - 08/23/04 05:27 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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Maybe so TK. Last time, when the lights were on Al Gore, he hesitated and didn't seize the moment. Based on what I've seen from Kerry, I don't see that happening again. Plus, Bush is going to have to run on his record this time. Not just attack his opponent.

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#270741 - 08/23/04 05:37 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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(Kerry has not outlined how he will do this in a manner that any economist can see it working)
He'll outline it after January when he's inaugurated.

( Name the countries that will sign on and has sstated as such)
Come on, now. Someone as enlightened as you surely knows that no country will endorse a candidate against an incumbent prior to the election. Not smart geopolitics.

( Without raising taxes or increasing spending? How will that happen. Remember The other John made 50 million suing Drs. and insurance companies. I cannot imagine the trial lawyers supporting him if he plans to cut out their bread and butter can you?)
A nonpartisan study shows that lawsuits contribute very little to the raising healthcare costs. By the way, your example is ad hominem.

How without increasing taxes or spending and cutting the deficiet at the same time?)
By lessening the restrictions.

(Intangible)
Not when looking at the big picture full of color.


One thing he said that I agree on is a .50 cent tax on a gallon of gas. He woul add it to the general fund I would not and would want to see 100% of it go to alternative fuel programs.)
He supports alternative fuel research.

( How so? his voting record does not reflect such)
Yes it does.
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#270743 - 08/23/04 05:54 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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(Kerry has not outlined how he will do this in a manner that any economist can see it working)
He'll outline it after January when he's inaugurated.

Most think it's important to see now unless you plan to vote for someone just because he is not the other guy. But heck you do not even understand the current budget and the effects of policy why would care what will happen in 05.

( Name the countries that will sign on and has sstated as such)
Come on, now. Someone as enlightened as you surely knows that no country will endorse a candidate against an incumbent prior to the election. Not smart geopolitics.)

Wrongo beacuse the only countires that could sign on and offer any effective help are UN security council countries like France, Russia, Germany,China and thier conflict of interest issues and domestic policy issues would stop them committing enough peace keepers to make a difference. Any idiot knows this except a few here. Secondly pandering for thier support now only weakens our national defense in the future. The military is the hammer of our policies if you will not use it it loses effectiveness as Bill Clinton proved for 8 years Re: Iraq, Nk and Iran.


( Without raising taxes or increasing spending? How will that happen. Remember The other John made 50 million suing Drs. and insurance companies. I cannot imagine the trial lawyers supporting him if he plans to cut out their bread and butter can you?)

A nonpartisan study shows that lawsuits contribute very little to the raising healthcare costs. By the way, your example is ad hominem.

It is the number one factor in the rising cost of healthcare to the individual.

It's not ad hominem is a legitimate question
and one yourself have raised numerous times re Dick Cheny and Haliburton.

How without increasing taxes or spending and cutting the deficiet at the same time?)
By lessening the restrictions.
What restrictions? Specifics

(Intangible)
Not when looking at the big picture full of color.


One thing he said that I agree on is a .50 cent tax on a gallon of gas. He woul add it to the general fund I would not and would want to see 100% of it go to alternative fuel programs.)
He supports alternative fuel research.
Everyone does the question is about effectivly funding it without rasising taxes and hurting the economy. Again no specifics from you.


( How so? his voting record does not reflect such)

Yes it does. Specifics?
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#270744 - 08/23/04 06:34 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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very few reasons anyone can come up with other tha he is not GW.
What you and the Bush admin. seem to be confused about is that for many people, that's all the reason they need to vote for Kerry.

No ballot I ever saw had a space where you write in your reasons for voting for a particular candidate.
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#270745 - 08/23/04 06:46 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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DanS

I did not format this thread as a ballot and asked for opinions. So I would not be wrong in expecting them good or bad.

It's called a conversation Dan it's optional you do not have to take part at least the last time I checked the forum rules.

Then again only a fool would vote for someone that he did not clearly understand the issues and where his candidate stood. If that shoe fits people here then so be it.
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#270746 - 08/23/04 06:52 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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Wrongo beacuse the only countires that could sign on and offer any effective help are UN security council countries like France, Russia, Germany,China and thier conflict of interest issues and domestic policy issues would stop them committing enough peace keepers to make a difference. Any idiot knows this except a few here.
Actually, I think it would take an idiot to understand what you just said - you know, birds of a feather, and all. ;\)

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... pandering for thier support now only weakens our national defense in the future. The military is the hammer of our policies if you will not use it it loses effectiveness as Bill Clinton proved for 8 years Re: Iraq, Nk and Iran.
I don't know where you dream this stuff up, but sometimes you should just concede ignorance instead of proving it to the world.

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It is the number one factor in the rising cost of healthcare to the individual.
Reference?

Quote:
It's not ad hominem is a legitimate question
and one yourself have raised numerous times re Dick Cheny and Haliburton.
What?? English, man, english.


Awk!! I told myself to quit feeding the animals and encouraging them. Must ... stop .... reasoning ...
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#270747 - 08/23/04 06:53 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16040
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And I say that only a fool would vote for Bush.

I guess we're even, then.
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#270748 - 08/23/04 06:57 PM Re: Why vote for Kerry?
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GH,

More proof the the option limited choose the military in which to hide.
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