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#271451 - 09/03/04 12:11 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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GOP backs away from Miller's blast
Democrat "speaking for himself,' Bush aide says
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Updated: 10:06 a.m. ET Sept. 3, 2004After gauging the harsh reaction from Democrats and Republicans alike to Sen. Zell Miller's keynote address at the Republican National Convention, the Bush campaign — led by the first lady — backed away Thursday from Miller's savage attack on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, insisting that the estranged Democrat was speaking only for himself.

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Late Thursday, Miller and his wife were removed from the list of dignitaries who would be sitting in the first family's box during the president's acceptance speech later in the evening. Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for the Bush campaign, said Miller was not in the box because the campaign had scheduled him to do too many television interviews.

There was no explanation, however, for why Miller would be giving multiple interviews during Bush's acceptance speech, or what channels would snub the president in favor of Miller. Nor was it made clear why Miller's wife also was not allowed to take her place in the president's box 24 hours after his deeply personal denunciation of his own party's nominee.


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The change was made only a few hours after Laura Bush, asked about Miller's speech, said in an interview with NBC News that “I don't know that we share that point of view.” Aides to President Bush and his campaign said Miller was not speaking for all Republicans.

Miller, who all but abandoned his party after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, returned Wednesday to Madison Square Garden to denounce Kerry as “more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure.”

It was in the same hall 12 years ago that Miller, then the respected conservative Democratic governor of Georgia, enthusiastically supported Bill Clinton and belittled President Bush's father as “a timid man who hears only the voices of caution and the status quo” and a “commander-in-chief [who] talks like Dirty Harry but acts like Barney Fife.”

Wednesday night, Miller delivered a fervent pro-Bush sermon that infuriated Democrats and left even some Republicans unsettled.

“No pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often, than the two senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry,” Miller said. “Together, Kennedy and Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won the Cold War and that is now winning the war on terror.”

“This is the man who wants to be the commander-in-chief of our U.S. armed forces? U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?” he asked in a cold and controlled fury. “... For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure.”

Democrats were furious. Led by Kerry himself, who planned to fire back sharply in a midnight rally Thursday night in Ohio, Democrats accused Miller of lying about Kerry's record and predicted that his address would backfire in the way Patrick Buchanan's “culture war” speech at the 1992 Republican convention damaged the first President Bush.


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The Bush campaign stepped backed from Miller's comments Thursday after it was received with almost immediate criticism, including complaints from prominent Republicans like Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

“Well, Zell Miller is a very experienced politician,” McCain, who spoke earlier at the convention, told NBC News on Wednesday night.

“I'm sure he knew exactly what he was talking about. [But] I just don't agree with the fact that the Democrats are unpatriotic or the assertion that the Democrats are unpatriotic,” he said. “I don't think they are.”

In an interview Thursday, Laura Bush told NBC News' Tom Brokaw: “I don't know that we share that point of view. I mean, I think Zell Miller has a very interesting viewpoint, just like I had the personal viewpoint to talk about the president when I spoke on Tuesday night. ...

“But, I mean, his voice is one with a lot,” the first lady said. “You also heard Senator McCain. You also heard Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Governor [Arnold] Schwarzenegger.”

A senior White House official, speaking to reporters before Bush's address Thursday night, said, “Senator Miller was speaking on behalf of himself and obviously on behalf of himself.”

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#271452 - 09/08/04 12:16 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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"He came off as an angry old man headed for retirement. And he's angry because he misses the old Strom Thurmond Democratic party. He's still stuck in his old separatist ways. Truly sad." that comment right there, shows you the differance between a liberal and one who is a true american, and i can see he wasnt angry, he is fed up and righteously so.. we dont need another clinton in office, we need leaders with backbone, you will not find that in the democrats party at this time.. its not about serving the people, as much as it is " we are gonna take back the white house" thats what its about, to get back the majority and power to the dems.. what a bunch of b.s. and that is not a figure of speach, its been spoken by kerry over and over and other dems..

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#271453 - 09/08/04 12:30 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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Oh, so you're the Chairman of the "Real American" admissions board now?.
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#271454 - 09/08/04 12:33 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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Quote:
Originally posted by BERKLEY BOY75:
that comment right there, shows you the differance between a liberal and one who is a true american


See that folks? That comment right there is the difference between a REALLY TRUE American and a neocon.

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#271455 - 09/08/04 12:46 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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Does anyone else find it interesting that conservatives are proud of their conservative values, beliefs and politics and gladly identify themeselves as conservatives---But most people who have liberal values, beliefs and politics don't want to be associated with the "L" word?
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#271456 - 09/08/04 12:52 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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Considering the behavior of certain conservatives these days, I'm ashamed of them and their some of their so called values.

I'm a moderate. I also have an intense dislike for certain "liberal" ideals too.

Ron Sims sucks. \:D

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#271457 - 09/08/04 01:30 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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Don't you find it interesting how all of the attacks Bush raised against Kerry keep backfiring ?? It's as if everything they lie about concerning Kerry is shown to be true of Bush. It must be disheartening to anyone who is so in love with "Flightsuit Man".


MPR did a break down of his speech and determined it was slanderous to say the least.
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#271458 - 09/08/04 02:22 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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I also consider myself a Moderate. There's quite a wide bandwidth on the conservative side and liberal side that are moderates. I certainly don't consider myself a liberal just because I intend to vote for Kerry.

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#271459 - 09/08/04 02:30 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rory Bellows:
conservatives are proud of their conservative values, beliefs and politics and gladly identify themeselves as conservatives
That's called delusions of grandeur and is common is paranoia (see "fear of loosing gun rights").
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#271460 - 09/08/04 04:03 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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OK, THAT got more than a grin GH!

\:D

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#271461 - 09/09/04 11:30 AM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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"That's called delusions of grandeur and is common is paranoia (see "fear of loosing gun rights"). "


Yellow Belly libs call defending a right Paranoia or fear mongering. Defending gun rights is much like defending this country it requires proactive measures.
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#271462 - 09/09/04 11:46 AM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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So does protecting your first amendment rights, you yellow-bellied conservative. ;\)
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#271463 - 09/09/04 01:17 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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First Amendmanet rights do not apply to this site or any other private business. Nor do they apply to private conversations or opinions. Read up on the constitution.
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#271464 - 09/09/04 01:24 PM Re: Zell slaps the dems
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Second amendment rights apply to this site?

Uhhh......OK.

WTF?
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