http://www.drudgereport.com/dncg.htm

Did sKerry fill out Form 7743 before he recieved this Gun?

Shhhhh! People here claim he is a real sportsman. Did you notice how he called the shotgun a rifle when he thanked them.

As it turns out. Kerry is not a resident of WV. It is illegal to transfer a firearm to a non-resident. Both parties to the transfer have broken the law.

First Viet Nam, now this, another hugely important issue.

Way to pay attention to the real important stuff there fellas.

Oh we are the guy lies and you guys dont see it.

Oh no we dont see the truth BUT NEITHER do you And you have said in the past on many places " hes not after your guns no one needs fully autos" But as you see in the artical you were wrong again.

IT DOSENT MATER IF HE KEEPT IT. MY point is
The ban that he’s voted for makes that gun illegal. So why is he claiming that there bad, and we as law abiding citizens cant have one to hunt birds with? But yet would use it, or even hold it for that matter? It just goes to show he’s full of crap and don’t even know what he’s for or against.


HES LYING BY SAYING HES PRO GUN PRO SPORTS MAN.


HES NOT! HIS RECORD SHOWS THAT. He has a 100% approval rating with the Brady inc.


[It is not clear if Kerry completed the required paperwork (Form 4473) before he claimed the gun.]

wake up :p


here go learn about some things http://www.sportsmenforkerryedwards.com/

my my getting a little personal are we?
Its not just about guns its about the fact he can not tell the truth about any thing.
your sounding like your buddy stew now. Can’t face the truth so start insulting me.
Iv got more responsibility than you could ever imagine. I passed several psych exams for the police dep. and many high stress situation exams I also have my concealed weapons permit. So before you get mad, because the facts have hit you in the face.
chill out, grow up, get some facts that are true to prove your point. Or better yet face the truth, save some time.

The issue of gun ownership is a very important issue, especially when sKerry and those of his ilk in Democratic Party want to infringe on your right to own and bear arms in accordance with the Second Admendment of the Constituion of the United State, as once you weaken or take away any one of those Admendments or Articles in the our Constitution or Bill of Rights you can kiss the our way of life goodbye as soon after the rest of our basic rights will and can be taken away. If you don't believe me you need look no farther than Germany and Europe prior to WW III and the Soviet Union after Marxist Revolution. History has taught us that anytime gun ownership is taken out of the hands of the common citizen some sort of Totalitorian Regeime will follow.

Be careful who you throw stones at as most of us whom you are calling Right Wing Zeleots who shouldn't be allowed to carry or own firearms are respected members of society, we are the law enforcement officer, Fire Fighter, or First Responder who will come to your aid in an time of need. Many of us are the ones who are there in a time of Emergency manning the phones, coordinating the efforts at no cost to you or me as an taxpayer. I know this for a fact as I for one serve my community by being certified by my county and state DEM as a communications specialist, EOC Tech, Search & Rescue Personnel, and as citizen respected by the local City and County Law Enforcement and Administrative Agencies as I and others in my community have taken the time and energy to get the trainning to give something back tro our community.

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Who said anything about automatic weapons?

Classifying guns mentioned above as 'automatic' is either a scare tactic or a sign of ignorance about the hunting shotgun Kerry was holding.

BTW--ACT was 'right on target' about how one of the first things the communists and nazis did when they came to power was to take away guns from private owners.

Cherish your 2nd Amendment right!

Once you let a government take away your right to have a gun--it's only a matter of time before your other rights will be taken away as well.

Really care to back up what your accusations are.
Prove your accusations Aunty or apologize.

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Aix Sponsa
quote:

I passed several psych exams for the police dep. and many high stress situation exams I also have my concealed weapons permit.

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Dear Mr. Aix and Mr. Act

Sorry but the bill he voted for would not have banned the above shotgun. Per federal gun laws that shotgun does not have a pistol grip…

This one however does….see the difference


Note: This is why the Drudge report lacks any credibility; they always get the story wrong.

Get your facts straight.

This is a Ruger 10/22 with a pistol grip Stock.



This is a Custom Ruger 10/22 with a Thumbhole Stock. This is a high dollar Target Rifle it has a Pistol Grip Stock.



This is also a Ruger 10/22 in a Tactical Stock



While I have no use for the last rifle and do not own one, it is still a Ruger 10/22 and Ruger 10/22's are owned by millions of Law abidding Citizens in this country and arround the world and just because the rifle happens to have a Tactical Stock it is considered to not be "Politically Correct," but if you apply your reasoning then all Ruger 10/22 are then not "Politically Correct" and for that reason as an owner of a Factory Compliant Ruger 10/22 I have to take exception to your reasoning.

No Flames intended. I also have to take exception to your line of reasoning as I also own and hunt with a Customized Springfield 30/06 that was origionally developed as armament for our Troops and was used in both WW I & WWII. The old standbye Winchester Pump Shotgun used by many hunters today has been issued to our servicemen all the way from WW I through today and is still being used by our servicemen today in both Iraq and Afganistan.

According to your line of reasoning these fine examples of American Inginuity would also be "Politically Incorrect," because they are also fall under the catagory of Assult Weapons by your definition.

Act

I agree with you on all but one point. Per Federal Law the first Ruger 10/22 you posted does not meet the definition of a pistol grip stock.

This is my 10/22 with a pistol grip, see the difference.



My point was that the gun Kerry was holding did not have a pistol grip stock as described by Federal Law.

LT,

The point I think ACT was trying to make is that sKerry's loosely worded ban said semi-autos with a thumbhole stock (not pistol grip).

BTW--10/22's are some of the coolest an funnest guns ever made!

They're relatively inexpensive and with a little modification like a bull barrel, light weight trigger pull, Hogue stock and quality ammo--you can drive tacks at 100 yards all day long!

RB

Thanks I see where the confusion was now.

I have a lot of guns but I would have to say that my 10/22 is by far the most fun.

Well maybe, that Mini 14 rocks as well

Really well I was told by you that he has said he was going to kick my As* if he ever met me. Well I’m game. That’s not calling any thing as you put it. All you guys can do is insult. Well I would love to chat face to face that’s all I said, most folks wont say the things they do on this board to a mans face. that’s why I like to meet folks the truth will come out. That’s why I said what I did to Harley I feel he is like me, he would say it to a mans face. But even though it came from another source, I’m to blame again. ok I will take the blame, make you feel better? And I will admit I have called out one guy on this bb Harley.
And I settled it with him. we will have some beer soon. I hope.

As for you aunty and stew you say I am in all this trouble on the other board, I’m heavily moderated, what a joke. Its on you guys, all you do is try to get me ban because you two cry babies cant handle it, when some one with balls calls your bluff. I meen come on you run on every post and tattle tale on me. How much have you offered to have me removed? I would love to see the complaints bob gets.
You say I lie, and I’m full of Bs, well were is your proof mouth, put up your so wise and full of truth an knowleg about me.

You say and I quot
“You've behaved like a white supremicist often enough that you've been "moderated" on another board on several occasions.”


Ya really, prove it and you better. Im holding your integrity here on this one. I am no supremacist, and that’s an awfully harsh statement there. You claim you don’t lie well your integrity is on the line now. Were is your proof. Come on its on you, prove it or apologize.


Bob I apologize for some of the issues being mentioned on your Board from another one, I do not intend any disrespect to you or your members not involved in the mater at hand.
But I cant sit back and be called the things that I have been here. Being told that my thoughts are of a moron is one thing, but racist, or supremacist is another. Aix

lead thrower.


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040907/nytu290_1.html?printer=1


National Shooting Sports Foundation: Kerry Accepts Shotgun He Would Ban as 'Assault Weapon'
Tuesday September 7, 5:00 pm ET


RACINE, W.Va., Sept. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- The following is a press release regarding the Remington model 11-87 shotgun that Sen. John Kerry recently accepted:
At a Labor Day campaign rally yesterday, Sen. John Kerry accepted an ironic gift from a labor union representative. The gift, a Remington model 11-87 shotgun commonly used in hunting and recreational shooting enjoyed by millions of Americans, would be banned as an "assault weapon" under a bill that Kerry is co-sponsoring.

"The semi-automatic shotgun that Kerry accepted is one that he'd like to ban under his bill known as 'The Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003 (S. 1431).' Kerry tells union workers that he's a hunter, but the truth is he would ban their shotguns," said Lawrence G. Keane, senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF).

Keane said several sportsmen's groups have pointed out that Kerry's effort to cast himself as an avid hunter do not square with his anti-gun votes as a U.S. senator. In various photos Kerry appears unaware of proper firearms handling. The Hunting and Shooting Sports Heritage Fund is advertising in national sportsmen magazines and on the Web site, http://www.voteyoursport.com, to illustrate these points.

Kerry was given the shotgun by Cecil Roberts of the United Mine Workers of America. The union represents workers at a Remington factory in Ilion, New York. Last year the union urged Kerry to support a bill to end frivolous lawsuits against firearms makers (S. 659). The suits threaten manufacturing jobs. However, Kerry voted against the bill.

Remington President Tommy Milner said, "Rest assured, Remington was neither aware of this presentation in advance nor in any way supportive of its intent to support Senator Kerry's candidacy. In fact, the company remains amused by ongoing photos of Senator Kerry shooting without either ear or eye protection while discharging a firearm."

The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the trade association for the companies and businesses that make and sell firearms, ammunition and other products for the 40 million Americans who responsibly hunt and enjoy recreational shooting. Learn more at http://www.nssf.org.

An article on the Drudge Report Web site, http://www.drudgereport.com/dncg.htm, points out the irony of Kerry accepting the shotgun gift given the legislation that he supported.


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Source: The National Shooting Sports Foundation


http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/2004-09-07-gun-lieoppose_x.htm
Let the gun lie die


By Wayne LaPierre
In 1994, Bill Clinton assured lawmakers that they'd be popular if they voted to ban semiautomatic firearms with certain cosmetic features. It backfired.
Gun owners went to the polls in the next election and, for the first time in 134 years, unseated the speaker of the House. President Clinton even admitted that "the fight for the 'assault weapons ban' cost 20 members their seats in Congress." For making a lie into law, they paid the price.

In 2000, Al Gore campaigned in favor of the gun ban, losing West Virginia, Arkansas and his home state of Tennessee. For supporting a lie, Gore paid the price, too.

But the lie lives on today, cloaked in confusion perpetuated by most news media, including USA TODAY, which let people believe the 1994 ban outlawed what has been described as high-powered guns that spray bullets like machine guns and are weapons of war, such as Uzis and AK-47s, flooding the streets. None of that is true.

The semiautomatics banned by the 1994 law function no differently from semiautomatics not banned by the law; they simply lost an ad hoc beauty contest. Although all semiautomatics function the same, those with certain cosmetic features became illegal, while guns without them did not. That's gun prohibition based on appearance alone.

The embarrassing dirty secret is that no government agency dares claim that the ban has produced any reduction in crime. More embarrassingly, no agency predicts benefits from renewing the ban.

That's because the banned guns are neither the choice of criminals nor more powerful than common deer rifles. They're functionally identical to guns owned by millions of hunters and shooters across America.

Yet most media, including USA TODAY, willingly abandon a professional duty to edify and clarify such a simple issue. Too many propagate the fraud, even to the point of retaining the likes of Michael Moore.

So when politicians and the media play dumb to deceive people who don't know better, gun owners register their resentment at the polls en masse. Gun owners have seen through this lie for a decade. More and more, so do members of Congress, who will represent their home districts rather than the editors of USA TODAY.

Lawmakers who care about truth will let this lie, mercifully, die.

Wayne LaPierre is executive vice president of the National Rifle Association

Do you people know how irritating it is to read some of this personal crap at 5:30 am?

Which ones your making accusations hear put up or shut up. You have yet to prove any thing. Except the fact you’re a cry baby old lady that has nothing better to do than start sh*t and run when she gets called on it.

NO I proved a point. and if the some of the so-called men on this bb had any decency, they would stick up for a woman to.
He claimed to be a cowboy from old school values. And well I am, and I showed him what they really were. And if I ever see a man hitting a woman, I will DO the jail to protect her, which is what a real man is supposed to do. See I wasn’t raised in this new aged yuppie liberal BS. Were your told you can’t protect your self. That’s not extreme that’s what our fore fathers taught there children. And I was fortunate enough that it didn’t leave my family along the way.


Do you even know what a white supremacist is ( and its spelled with an A not an I)
One entry found for white supremacist.


Main Entry: white supremacist
Function: noun
: an advocate of or believer in white supremacy
so you better prove this I am not and you owe me an apology. Its your integrity on the line.

Ya they do restrict posts, and I’m not on it so why you implying it?
As for the thread your replying to is still there. I just had to reword SOME ONE ELSES OPIONION it was not my words and I never said I agreed to them. So get your facts strait.
And the one hear I had them remove it I reported my own post about My response to harly, so don’t even go there.


That’s bull and you know it. I have talked about it with people who know. You have tried to have be restricted, and removed. But I don’t care. And when have I ever threatened you.
You ARE NOTHING just another pond in the mast majority. You have insulted me on almost every post I have done. You and stew are like pees in a pod. You cant refute what I have said so you go to the insulting or the he’s a bad guy thing. Its old. I have insulted you. I remember on recently where, and I will quote “ I said I couldn’t believe you were that ignorant”. And what did you do
THRETEND TO REPORT ME IF I DIDN’T APPOLOGISE. Hummm……who needs to grow up. Your integrity is still needing help here so why don’t you admit you were wrong and apologize

AIX,

"He claimed to be a cowboy from old school values"

I never saw your post what did you say?

You said you were a cowboy from old school ways.
but yet had threatened Aunty, I do believe. I said something along the lines that old school cowboys don’t whoop women and if you were to threaten her I would call you out. Because, I am a cowboy from the old ways, and I will not sit back and have some guy threatening a woman and not say something.
IF you said it that was dumb don’t threaten women. It makes you a puss, and if you do you need to be cowboyed up. If you didn’t fine but.

Old school cowboys don’t Hit women and don’t go threatening them with violence ether.
AIX.

Aix,

Just for the record I never threatened her and never would any woman regardless of how low their actions. That was her assertion by twisting my words. I did call her every name I could think of however. In my expirience with cowboys( My grandpa did rodeo's in the 1940's and had a ranch and I worked on a cattle ranch a bit and have friends that had small to large ranches in Wa Ore and Idaho. I rasie steers now for friends and family) is that there are 3 types and the gentleman cowboy is the rarest. Most are drunken womanizers or wannabe PRCA types.

.Well I can believe that A common trait of Aunty I do believe that’s why she was asked to leave or possibly ban from a different bb. I don’t know the facts on that but I do know she ain’t there no more.
And If you didn’t call her out My apologies. Aix

No worries Aix

I don't care for politics, but had to chime in on this one since I know Aix a bit better then the rest. First, he hasn't acted like, nor is, a white supremicist. Just because he loves guns, doesn't automatically put him into this category. I have similar feelings as well, does this make me one too?

But will say, please don't be bringing up what happens on another board HERE! The facts are wrong, I know first hand. Unless you actually are in the mods circle (not TALKING to one) don't be bringing things up! You see one side, and it's incorrect from the "overall" scenerio going on. That's all I have to say about it. I've met both, and get along with both Aix and Stew. I see Aix being mislabeled. But if one would sit down and get to know him in the realworld, you'd find that out really fast. Why I don't like politics, puts labels on people that are unbefitting. You met him in a bar and he'd be your best friend.

Aix, does that mean you'll be paying the bar tab?