There are some simple tests one can take that are predictors of abuse in relationships. It's easier to blame it on someone else or give it a medical name than to accept responsibilty for the reasons we make choices in life and deal with it proactively. Your companies insurance policy is more likely to pay a larger ammount for any treatment if the condition is given a name other than choice. You are then free to repeat the behavior as society and then industry have accepted financial responsibility for your choices. The majority of abuse cases involve susbstance abuse again if you subscribe to the ADA it's a disease and not a choice so the resposibility is not yours. The whole system is geared around avoiding responsibility. Don't get me started on ADD, ADHD and similar

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Vic,

I'd bet you a G Loomis rod that those two women you know who have been in more than one abusive relationships both grew up in a household with either a non-existant father/positive male role model or had a dysfunctional relationship with the one who was there.

TK, What the ADA and other organizations are saying is Some people are more susceptible to become dependant of certain things than others. It is NOT always by choice.

Not to be criticle but there is a difference between reading a lot of books and being well read.

BW,

I know full well what the intent of the ADA is and the majority of it is BS. The majority of it is treating the symptom rather than the cause. To put things in a box to make it easy to justify certain actions given our societies structure.Take substance abuse as an example as it applies to this topic. The ADA does not require or set a side diagnosis and treatment of all underlying causes to the susbstance abuse as a requirement of diagnosis and treatment of the symptom. Meaning you meet the criteria by simple diagnosis and most corporate insurance programs will pay for treatment of the "disease" never treating the whole person just the "disease" which is really just a symptom of other causes. The number one cause of recidivism is not treating underlying causation of the abuse. Happy ,fullfilled ,content whole individuals do not make the choice to abuse substances. They are many socitites on earth that allow of blind studies to thses behaviors.

Sorry RB. I am not willing to part with any of my sticks.

It is driving me crazy... what is your moniker's name?

Nothing but excuses from the called "enlightened" one who doesn't seem to have enough "common sense" to realize only the person doing the abusing is the one who should be blamed.

Following his idiotic logic, when children are abused, it's their faults. When a person is a victim of a drive by shooting, it's their own fault. If someone busts your car window and steals stuff, it was their own fault. :rolleyes:

No accountability or responsibility from TK, that's for sure. That's how he justifies his own bad attitude. It's not HIS fault. It's someone else's fault.

Your blue collar, Readers digest conclusions on this issue are well demonstrated by your last post "when children are abused, it's their faults. When a person is a victim of a drive by shooting, it's their own fault. If someone busts your car window and steals stuff, it was their own fault"

In no instance is the other party consenting to enter into a relationship in your examples.

Consenting to a relationship is not granting permission to be abused, no matter HOW you try to paint your idiotic assumptions.

Responsible and mature men would not make excuses for that kind of criminal behavior.

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The avatar is 'Triumph the Insult Comic'

The moniker name itself (Rory Bellows) is an obscure charactor reference from the TV classic 'The Simpsons'

To his credit, Goharley was the first one who was enlightened enough to figure it out.

The issue being discussed was never about permission our fault it was about choice. Specifically being a single mom for any other reason than the death or debilitating injury of their spouse.

Rory: I thought I heard the name Rory bellows on a recent Simpsons rerun. I ws so dumb I though it was a coincidence. I was planning on telling you about it. Doh . . now I get it! Yes, I watch the Simpson and am proud of it!

Yes, men DO have a choice NOT to abuse TK. You BLAMED the woman. Violence is the abusers choice, and in his/her control, not the abused.

Almost sounds like someone is trying to justify his own personal behavior to me. Based on your previous posts of violence towards me, I conclude you must be an abuser.

Does hurting a woman make you feel superior TK?

BW,

Loved your Achem's razor analogy with TK as the example. I couldn't possibly have said it better myself. Thanks for stating it so clearly.

It's getting hilarious. At this point in this thread, we have TK urging the identification and treatment of a root cause instead of symptoms. Yet in earlier threads regarding terrorism, he was all about treating the symptom - killing terrorists - and dismissing identifying and treating the root cause of what causes people to become and commit terrorist acts against the U.S. It looks like our own forum genius, TK, is a practitioner of, if not believer in, situational logic.

TK,

Earlier in this thread you stated that, "single motherhood is as preventable as AIDS." You allowed for no exceptions, indicating that every woman can know with absolute certainty whether she is entering into a relationship with a potential jerk or abuser. Even then, you weren't allowing death or dibilitating disease as exceptions. Your use of absolutes - were certainty does not and cannot exist - discredits the potential value you might add. Hence, that's why when you claimed you're an interesting person, I disagreed and suggested you're really just an entertaining pompous a$$. But it's just the choices you make . . .

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

Advantage; Salmo g

Aunty my money's on you for kicking TK's a$$

But only in self defense Grandpa.

Salmo,

It's interesting how you read things with your supoerior scientific pomposity.

"he was all about treating the symptom - killing terrorists - and dismissing identifying and treating the root cause of what causes people to become and commit terrorist acts against the U.S. It looks like our own forum genius, TK, is a practitioner of, if not believer in, situational logic."

I asked you 6 months ago to pontificate on the root cause of radical Islam. All you could do was talk about how anxious you where over the discussion. Pleasse feel free to start another thread to discuss the root causee and how to treat it and I will join in and bonk you like the Brat you are. I nthe words of your favorite president " bring it on!"

Back to the topic.


"Earlier in this thread you stated that, "single motherhood is as preventable as AIDS." You allowed for no exceptions,"

How is this an absolute? Aids is not 100% preventable because you can get it from other than choice. Contracting aids can be from Sexual contact ,IV drug use etc. are all choices. Just like entering into a poor relationship is a choice. Both have many tests that can eliminate most of the risk. Yet our society puts little value on stable relationships and resposibility and more on personal freedom. That being given kids rasied by single parents and the issues that revolve around it are acceptable byproducts. So I would guess that your problem is that you do not think through the problem before you start pontificating. Maybe being anxious is the root cause more than ego or intelligence.

"Yes, men DO have a choice NOT to abuse TK. You BLAMED the woman.

Please show me where I blamed abused women 1 time ?

I will address you no longer until you can or apologize.

You know what is scary? He thinks he is making scence.