BW,

I can cite source after source for my postion can you?

Tk

I don't think anyone here dosn't think you haven't done some research. A large part of my job is in research. The problem is you also have to correlate it and then draw an intelligente conclusion. You kind of fall down on that part.

You try to paint with too broad of brush, and when someone calls you on it you cannot argue your possition with any success. You have in fact lost in every exchange with Salmo G (I wonder if that will get me a fishing trip,) and AuntyM ( have gone fishing with her a couple of times). What is sad it you have not even realized that you have been out argued. That is what we find so entertaining. Anyway I have some real work to do so have a nice day.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BW:
[qb] Tk

The problem is you also have to correlate it and then draw an intelligente conclusion. You kind of fall down on that part.

You try to paint with too broad of brush, and when someone calls you on it you cannot argue your possition with any success.

Too funny.. way accurate description of the King.... I do enjoy reading his views however.. sort of like watching a car crash in slow motion.

Waaaa.

Men make the choice to abuse. No one, including a female victim need take any responsibility for the abusers actions, regardless of your convoluted and incorrect ASSumptions.

Now this feminist (?) must go iron her husband's (non abuser) shirts and plan his dinner. I'm thinking Chinese stir fry.

Soooooo Aunty, can I come to dinner?

Kind of far to drive, isn't it BW? :p

Desperation, I have to cook for myself for a week. No one should have to eat what I cook.

BW,

The problem is you also have to correlate it and then draw an intelligente conclusion. You kind of fall down on that part.

Prove it ! just saying it does not make it so.

Two great friends are Phd Psychs practicing in Marriage and family therapy forgive me if I take their view over yours. Your view might make sese to the lay person but as you might be aware research and application sometimes are counter intuitive.

BRun,

You talk pretty big for a guy that is not smart enough to make a phone call and then when he screws it up does not take responsibility for it and tries to stick the company for his mistake. But then again 28% is like everyone in your universe

That is just proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. They have the Phd's and I am sure they could speak on the subject with far more expertise than you or I.

By the way you should not take it for granted that there are no PHD's or other wise highly educated people on this board. You would be surprised.

Anyway I'm done with this, as entertaining as this has been I have more importand things to be doing.

Right, the 28% of a states population is a small amount thing... one of your better foot in mouths to date... Classic proof of your analitical skills.

About this current issue you are arguing.. I don't know much of anything about abusers and battered women etc... but do know you threw some rather broad statements out there.. and as data you offer up some freinds who are PHD's or some crap.. as if that means anything to anyone. I am surprized that you have not "completed some sort of 6 year investigation into this very subject " or other B.S and expect that people believe it simply because you say so...

Truth is, you start out with some basic truths and then screw it all up when you go into the data analysis mode.. Get in over your head, then don't know how to pull out of the nose dive.

I am betting that you would be an intresting person to ride in a car with for 2000 miles.. I doubt I would learn anything but it would be good conversation none the less.

BW,

Petty typical of this site. Stick your nose in generalize, slam and then check out when challenged. I kno I know it's everyone else's fault for not following your self imposed rules and mythical guidelines. Salmo does the same thing

BRUN,

All I said was that being a single mom was a choice casued by poor decision making. That has yet to be refuted in any way shape or form. Others tried contend that other factors make single moms mostly laying the resposiblity on men. Then they morphed it into abuse and took it down other rabbit trails to emotionalize an arguement that they could not refute. There was no data presented on either side just opinion. I can back my position up with data and numerous studies. I doubt the others can.

Ok I'm back

You said being a single mother was a choice.

Some brought up spoucel abuse as an example of how that is not always correct.

Your responce was to slam them an call it a small minority, and say they could tell if a male was going to become an abusive husband.

That my be true if they all had that PHD your friends have, (they all don't).

Like is said you paint with too large of brush. and when someone gives an example of how you are not correct you just blow over it.

You know just for fun I had a conservitive friend here at work (who is also very highly educated) read your posts, and all he wanted to say was ....

"GET OFF MY SIDE"

I think Terrell Owens is to blame... Is this not where this all started ??

In summery... Monday night football causes single mothers who can't breast feed in public so they marry a guy that beats them up. ( Not really but pretty darn close if you read the past posts)


Sound silly ??? Your right !!! it is but thats where its at.. who or how it got there is anyones guess.

BW, I wouldn't pay too much mind to TK. He likes to pretend a lot. Although he only logs on during weedays between regular and specific hours, he wants us to believe he is independently wealthy and now just hangs around his "complex" shoveling horse poo or posting here. His explanation is that when his wife and kids are home, he wants to spend all his time with them. Funny, huh? Hiding his 0730 to 1730 ish schedule. It can only mean one of two things.

1) He is at work at some menial job or
2) He is at home while his wife is working to support the family and she doesn't "LIKE" him being on the computer when she gets home.



Anyway...

It wouldn't matter how much data anyone posts, TK wouldn't acknowledge being wrong EVER.

Domestic Violence is a Serious, Widespread Social Problem in America: The Facts

The Causes of Domestic Violence

Almost all Medical/health professionals agree, breast feeding is the best for the mother and the baby. It still has a stigma attached to it and that simply needs to change.

AuntyM... My wife would pound me stupid if I were to disagree with you on that !!!! She gets pretty wound up about those types of things. I asked her on the phone today if she thought that women who choose men that batter them knew in advance that it would turn out that way.... She said.. " I don't think they know it at the time because they are blinded by love but people around them can see it from the very start if they pay attention ".. Thats not a Phd talking thats just another woman who has seen a lot in her life.

So, she brings up the example of a guy I used to work with. He was a strange dude... total control freak. One day he did not show up for work. Our boss called his house and his wife said he ran off with all their money and would not be comming back. Long story short, they found him in the crawl space under their house two weeks later. She shot him six times while he was asleep. She said that it was because he had threatend to kill her " again".. All the other people at work were shocked... but I was not really surprized.. little things about him screamed wife beater ( always berating women behind their backs, always talking down to them ).. In the end, she is out at the Pen because she could have left at any time. She got 25 - life and I believe that he really did what she said. She did some interviews talking about the experiance. She said it was worth it being in prison and him being dead. She stated that know one knows how much fear a man can put in your head while he is pulling your hair with a gun in your ear while stuffing your head into the kitchen floor.. pretty graphic stuff. His family wanted her to get the death penalty.. There has been some speculation about her getting out sooner.

BW,

"Your responce was to slam them an call it a small minority, and say they could tell if a male was going to become an abusive husband."

Care to point out what I said? If thats a slam then so be it. I said there are very predicitive test that point to behavior types based on regressive analysis models. They can be admisistered by non professionals and results given and interpreted. Marriage and family counselors that are not PHd's use them so do many business and the military. Personality profiles have been widely used for 40 years.
Anyone getting married without one or several and a years worth of counseling is foolish IMHO.


Like is said you paint with too large of brush. and when someone gives an example of how you are not correct you just blow over it.

Blow it up is more like it.

":You know just for fun I had a conservitive friend here at work (who is also very highly educated) read your posts, and all he wanted to say was ....

"GET OFF MY SIDE" "

For some reason you and a few others here think that their is safety in numbers and that if more than 2 people here agree with you it makes you right and your point valid. Your point or lack of one stands on it's own merits or lack of . Have your highly intelligent conservative pal join the discussion if he wants to make a point.

My point stands that being a single mom is as preventable as aids. Refute it or walk.

B-Run, sounds like you got a keeper. I know BW does. His wife can cast like a bass pro!

As to the woman who shot her husband, lots of women eventually do that. Some are convicted, and some are not. I can't say which is right or wrong. I think you'd have to sit on the jury and hear all the facts. I sure don't have a problem with a jury convicting the woman, but the degree of the charge would be in question with me.

Scott Peterson is a perfect example. He had both families fooled in the beginning. I doubt there really is any way to predict when someone like Peterson will murder.

Crime in general is on the decline, but domestic violence is increasing, along with the rate of woman commiting crimes. (a side note, false accusations against men is also on the rise) I guess we are getting closer to equality at least in some respects.

That woman who starved her children and sat there in the apartment, drunk, should get no less than a life sentence for the two children who died.

Again, using absolutes condemns his case. You'd think he'd learn.

:rolleyes: