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#275709 - 12/27/04 02:31 AM Tribal Money
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Tribal Money Linked to GOP Fundraising

Sun Dec 26,12:00 AM ET Top Stories - washingtonpost.com


By Susan Schmidt and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum, Washington Post Staff Writers

For most politicians, fundraising is a dreaded chore. But until recently, Rep. John T. Doolittle (news, bio, voting record) of California and other members of the House Republican leadership had adopted a painless solution: fundraising events in luxury sports boxes leased largely with the money of Indian gaming tribes, where supporters snacked on catered fare in plush surroundings as they watched the Wizards, Caps, Redskins or Orioles.


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Doolittle, a Mormon, is an ardent opponent of casino gambling, so it is somewhat ironic that he would invite supporters to watch the Wizards play the Sacramento Kings from an MCI Center suite paid for by casino-rich Indian tribes. But the plaque at the door to Suite 204 did not say Chitimacha or Choctaw. It said "Jack Abramoff," a name synonymous with largesse and influence in the GOP-controlled Congress.


Until the power lobbyist's downfall this year, Abramoff spent about $1 million annually in funds largely provided by his tribal clients to lease four skyboxes -- two at FedEx Field and one each at MCI Center and Camden Yards. Season after season, he kept them brimming with lawmakers, staffers and their guests, part of a multimillion-dollar congressional care and feeding project that even the brashest K Street lobbyists could only watch with awe or envy.


Lobbyists entertain lawmakers and their staffs routinely -- so much so that congressional rules limit the extent of it to avoid the appearance of impropriety. But Abramoff and the lobbyists who worked for him took spending for this form of hospitality to unprecedented heights. They used tribal money, records and interviews show, to pay for events that appeared to be designed more to help House Republicans' campaigns and Abramoff's overall lobbying effort than the Indians' legislative causes. Some members of Congress involved actively opposed Indian gambling.


"Jack Abramoff had one of the biggest schmoozing operations in town," said Rob Jennings, president of American Event Consulting Inc., an organization that raises funds for Republicans.


A list of skybox fundraising events maintained by Abramoff at his former law firm, Greenberg Traurig, lists 72 events for members of Congress between 1999 and 2003. All but eight were put on for Republicans, many of them members of the House leadership. Some of the fundraising events, including Doolittle's, were not reported as required under federal election laws.


A few blocks from MCI Center, Abramoff also wined and dined politicians and their aides at Signatures, his expensive Pennsylvania Avenue restaurant, billing tribal clients for hundreds of thousands of dollars in meals there, sources familiar with the billings said. The Agua Caliente tribe of California, for example, paid Greenberg Traurig as much as $20,000 a month in lobbyists' expenses, much of it for meals at Signatures, a person who has examined the bills said. In some months the tribe was billed for more than 20 luncheon and dinner events.


The Agua Caliente also paid $300,000 toward the cost of the skyboxes one year, tribal Chairman Richard Milanovich said.


Federal investigators are examining tens of millions of dollars in lobbying and public relations fees Abramoff obtained from the tribes. They are also looking into his dealings with members of Congress and their staffs, lawyers involved in the inquiry said. Senior prosecutors in the Justice Department (news - web sites)'s fraud and public integrity sections are poring over hundreds of thousands of e-mails, computer files and bank records subpoenaed from Abramoff and former associates, including records of campaign contributions and trips, meals and gifts such as the use of skyboxes that Abramoff lavished on members of Congress.


Abramoff, once one of the most powerful lobbyists in Washington, was forced to resign from Greenberg Traurig after disclosures earlier this year about the lobbying and public relations fees he and an associate charged a group of Indian tribes. The Senate Indian Affairs committee has tallied fees from six tribes that total $82 million over a three-year period.


Abramoff's lawyer, Abbe Lowell, said in a statement that "Indian tribes made permissible and lawful contributions to underwrite the use of sports suites for various fundraisers. Whether these contributions were properly reported was the responsibility of the campaigns, not the tribes nor Mr. Abramoff."


Other lobbyists said that it was highly unusual for a single lobbyist to control so many sports boxes. According to John F. Jonas of Patton Boggs LLP, "Personally leasing four skyboxes is highly unusual and excessive. [But] it seems to be in character with his excessive fees."


Although some tribal members complained about the fees and expenses, most of the tribes' leaders were convinced by Abramoff that the spending was necessary to advance their interests in Washington.


The big prize for members of Congress was in the more than $3.5 million in federal campaign contributions that six tribes made at Abramoff's direction, two-thirds of it to Republicans. The meals and the games were added perks that provided settings for Abramoff and the 10 or so lobbyists who worked for him to obtain access to members and ingratiate themselves to congressional aides.

'It Was a Big Draw'

The skyboxes were available to members of Congress for the asking, Jennings said. "The word was out among fundraisers," he said. Politicians could sell skybox tickets to supporters for $500 to $1,000, said Jennings, who arranged six events in the skyboxes for two of his clients, House Transportation Committee Chairman Don Young (R-Alaska) and Rep. Barbara Cubin (news, bio, voting record) (R-Wyo.). "It was a venue that was fun to use," Jennings said. "It was a big draw."


Abramoff or one of the lobbyists who worked for him at Greenberg Traurig, and earlier at the firm now known as Preston Gates & Ellis LLP, arranged the fundraisers, former Abramoff associates said.


"It was kind of Jack's box. It was owned by Jack, not Greenberg Traurig. He was very proud of it," said a former associate from Greenberg Traurig. "Everything was always catered; Jack would pay for the catering. It was about $1,000 an event."




Keeping track of events, catering and ticket distribution required the nearly full-time attention of an administrative assistant, said two former Abramoff associates familiar with the logistics of the box management. Abramoff billed the tribes for the costs associated with the skyboxes through a company he created called Sports Suites LLC.

Doolittle, one of dozens of House members to use the skyboxes, was particularly close to Abramoff, former Abramoff associates said. The fundraiser list, obtained by The Washington Post, indicates that he was signed up to use boxes at MCI Center and Camden Yards on five occasions. Doolittle's spokeswoman, Laura Blackmann, said the congressman used the MCI Center box for a fundraiser, but only once, on Feb. 25, 1999.

Of the other four occasions Doolittle is listed on Abramoff's fundraiser log, Blackmann said: "Abramoff may have reserved it, but we did not use it."

In enacting limits on congressional gifts, Congress set the value of skybox tickets at $49, under the $50 limit. Using that calculation, the donation of a box with space for 20 people for a fundraising event would have a value of almost $1,000.

Doolittle's federal election records do not show that he paid for the use of the boxes or reported their value as an in-kind contribution, a lapse Blackmann acknowledged. "It was an in-kind contribution, and it was an oversight that it wasn't reported, but we are taking steps to correct that," she said recently.

An event planning firm operated by Doolittle's wife, Julie, which did work with an Abramoff-sponsored charity, was issued a subpoena for documents this summer in the Justice Department inquiry.

A candidate for office who does not fully disclose such contributions can be subject to a fine to be determined by the Federal Election Commission (news - web sites). The more flagrant the violation, the steeper the fine tends to be.

Abramoff's most powerful ally on the Hill, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), another gaming opponent, held a fundraiser in the MCI Center box for the performance of the Three Tenors on May 7, 2000, according to the list of events maintained in Abramoff's office. The list also shows he held an event in a box at FedEx Field on Sept. 18, 2000.

DeLay spokesman Stuart Roy said that DeLay's fundraising aides remember sending out invitations for the Three Tenors event to reward donors and that the event probably occurred. There was no obligation to report the use of the box under federal law, he said, because the site was used for an event that benefited DeLay's state political action committee.

The office found no record of the use of Abramoff's box for a fundraiser at a Redskins-Dallas Cowboys game on Sept. 18, 2000, as listed in Abramoff's records. "We don't have anything indicating it was offered or utilized," Roy said. "We just don't know."

Rep. J.D. Hayworth (news, bio, voting record) (R-Ariz.) hosted four fundraising events in Abramoff boxes but did not pay for the use of the boxes or report them as gifts, his spokesman confirmed. After he was asked about the fundraisers, Hayworth's chief of staff said the congressman intends to amend his FEC reports to correct the oversight.

Hayworth, co-chairman of the Native American Caucus, did have contact with the tribes Abramoff and his team represented.

After The Post questioned Hayworth's office about his failure to disclose his skybox fundraising events, an aide said staffers had contacted the FEC about the mistake and planned to amend the congressman's filings. Abramoff's firm never sent a letter telling the Hayworth campaign the value of the in-kind contributions, said Joe Eule, Hayworth's chief of staff. "From talking to other people," Eule said, "this is how things happened over there. People would request these letters, and they'd never be forthcoming."

Fundraising events were held at only a fraction of the many games at the three venues. The rest of the time, the boxes were filled with Abramoff's lobbyists and congressional staffers they sought to cultivate. Members of his lobbying team typically carried around wads of tickets to dole out to Hill aides.

Abramoff not only lobbied staffers, he regularly hired them. Three former aides to DeLay worked as lobbyists for Abramoff at Greenberg Traurig: former deputy chiefs of staff Tony Rudy and Bill Jarrell; and former DeLay spokesman Michael Scanlon, who formed a public relations company that worked in tandem with Abramoff.

Other Hill veterans joined Abramoff's lobbying team and entertained their former congressional colleagues in the skyboxes, including former aides for Doolittle, Sens. Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), John Breaux (D-La.) and Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), and Young, the representative from Alaska.

A Lawmaker Under Scrutiny
One member of the House leadership already under scrutiny for his ties to Abramoff, House Administration Committee Chairman Robert W. Ney (R-Ohio), used the MCI Center box, and his chief of staff was later hired by Abramoff. A Senate panel investigating Abramoff released e-mails last month showing that Abramoff directed a Texas tribe to contribute $32,000 to Ney in 2002, days after Ney took steps to sponsor legislation sought by the tribe.

Abramoff's fundraising log shows an event for Ney at MCI Center on March 15, 2001. FEC records show that Abramoff and three men associated with him in a Florida-based casino cruise line called Suncruz each donated $1,000 to Ney that day.

Ney had been helpful to them the year before, when Abramoff and a partner, Adam Kidan, were embroiled in acrimonious efforts to buy Suncruz. In an unusual step, Ney criticized the cruise line's owner, Gus Boulis, in statements placed in the March 30, 2000, Congressional Record, putting pressure on Boulis to sell; he then praised Kidan as Suncruz's new owner when the sale went through.

The following year, five weeks before the MCI Center fundraiser for Ney, Boulis was slain gangland style in a case that is under investigation. The FBI (news - web sites) also is investigating possible bank fraud in the purchase of Suncruz, law enforcement sources said. An attorney for Abramoff said he and the banks involved "were victims of the wrongdoing of others."

Neil Volz, Ney's chief of staff, joined Abramoff's lobbying team in early 2002. Last month, Ney amended his FEC reports to reflect in-kind contributions of $1,470 from Volz for fundraising events at MCI Center in 2002 and 2003.

Kidan, contacted for this article, said Suncruz contributed $310,000 toward the cost of the skyboxes in 2000.

Abramoff's other tribe-funded perk for House Republican leaders was his downtown restaurant, Signatures. DeLay and others occasionally met for private lunches in the back room, a source familiar with the restaurant's management said.

Many meal receipts for members, staff and Abramoff's team were turned over to Greenberg Traurig; the firm then billed the tribes, said this source and others, including people associated with the tribes. Signatures, said the source, was a money drain on Abramoff, operating at a deficit of tens of thousands of dollars a month.

The person who has seen bills sent to the Agua Caliente tribe said they sometimes listed the lobbyists present and the guests who were entertained, but not always.

On occasions when fundraising events were at Signatures, said Lowell, "either tribes or the campaigns themselves properly underwrote the use of the restaurant and, again, the reporting requirements belong to the campaigns."

Jill Perry, director of marketing and communications for Greenberg Traurig, said in a statement that "the conduct by Mr. Abramoff which has come to light since he left Greenberg Traurig is antithetical to the way we do business and contrary to our firm's values and culture. We continue to conduct a comprehensive internal investigation of these matters."

Researcher Derek Willis contributed to this report.
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#275710 - 12/27/04 11:27 AM Re: Tribal Money
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#275712 - 12/27/04 01:02 PM Re: Tribal Money
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No spin here, just a comment.... and then two questions.

Comment: It certainly does appear that the Tribes have learned how big business is "done" in this country. I read the article closely and it appears as if one could susbtitute the name of any major U.S. corporation into the article and it would have read just like so many other articles that have appeared in the print media on this subject. In order to get what you need as a major business in this country you need politicians that are "friendly" to your cause.

Question #1: Am I right (or would you like to fool yourself)?

Question #2: Why is it that anyone would question the Tribes any more or any less than any other corporation (U.S. or foreign) about the tactics employed to gain influence with key lawmakers?

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#275713 - 12/27/04 01:16 PM Re: Tribal Money
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Originally posted by pacificnw:

Question #2: Why is it that anyone would question the Tribes any more or any less than any other corporation (U.S. or foreign) about the tactics employed to gain influence with key lawmakers?
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Because the influence gained helps Tribal casinos for example, take Billions and Billions of dollars in profit in gaming revenue and pay ZERO in state or federal taxes that would (if not tribal) go to help pay for education, roads, emergency services and national defense.

Successful U.S. corporations contribute to our tax base.

The Tribal owned business'/enterprises do not.

It's their age old mantra--- take from the the federal government for their needs: 'We're Americans too', but when it comes time to help pay for it w/ their own $$'s: 'We're a soveriegn nation.'
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#275714 - 12/27/04 01:49 PM Re: Tribal Money
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Rory - So let me get this straight. You maintain that there is a difference between what the Tribes are doing and what the major corporations are doing? This must be your premise based on the comments you have made.... and your argument is tied to tax revenue???

So how does this differ from Boeing getting their billions in tax cuts by shmoozing the WA legislature and then moving their headquarters out of State? How does this relate to the point you are making?

How does your argument work for Microsoft outsourcing computer programing jobs to India and moving not only the tax revenue but moving the jobs too!

How does this relate to major corporations contracting with "help desk" companies in Pakistan so that when you call up your insurance company (or whatever) you have trouble understanding what the "service" person is saying let alone getting your problem resolved.

How does this relate to what many U.S. companies are doing with manufacturing jobs... moving them (and the jobs and the tax revenue) to Mexico or China or Indonesia? Have you been reading the papers about the problems created with big business moving all the manufacturing jobs out of country? Not to mention the huge trade gap... which is growing by leaps and bounds.

Even the Department of Fish and Wildlife is getting into the act. Who do you think processes your annual fishing/hunting license? No one in this State. They have contracted this out to some outfit in Oklahoma or somewhere. So do you think the business taxes and payroll taxes are coming back to WA somehow? A small point but you get my drift.

Tax revenue is flowing away from this State and this Country at an alarming rate. Why not give some of your thought process to the bigger problems and try and solve them? The Tribes are creating jobs in our area, not farming them out. And the tax picture is not nearly as bleak as you seem to suggest. Those Tribal jobs are generating cash flow in our communities and those dollars are going into the coffers of our towns, our cities, our counties, our State and yes, our federal government. If you know anything about economics, a job in our communities might make a dollar but that dollar turns around two or three times before the vaule has ended. Where are the taxes going from those jobs your bank just hired out to a company in Bangladesh?

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#275716 - 12/27/04 02:18 PM Re: Tribal Money
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Pacificnw,

Boeing and Microsoft do farm out some jobs, but they also pay considerable amounts of corporate taxes---The Tribes do NOT.

As for you contention that the tribes are creating/keeping jobs in the state (WA) as opposed to Boeing and others that are leaving WA, for that we can thank the democrats and the the anti 'business friendly' environment they've created here in WA.

If the Tribes had to jump all the hurdles WA corporations do, they would probably look to set up their 'main office' elsewhere as well.
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#275717 - 12/27/04 02:53 PM Re: Tribal Money
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Aunty and Rory - Well, I guess there is not much more I can do. You are both determined to see the "ulterior motive" or the "conspiracy" surrounding the tribes and the tribal casinos.

Just a couple parting points (not shots)...

It may have been true that when most casinos first started out the jobs there paid fairly low wages and the benefits were not what I would call generous. But Aunty, you are simply wrong regarding present day casinos and the wages and benies they pay. These are good, family wage jobs with generous benefits comparable to most major corporations but a damn sight better than those paid by Wally World. As for the value of a company owned by the richest family in the world buying cheap products from China and passing "most" of the savings on to U.S. shoppers... I have my doubts what value they really offer. Obviously your remark about the Tribes not offering anything of value is an expression of your bias and not a fact... and I am trying to stick to the facts here. And when is the last time YOU saw a community successfully repel the Wally World attack? Get real... if this company wants to build in a town near you, they will. It is as simple as that. At least the Tribes advertise what they want.... Wally World just sends their lawyers and they "get 'er done."

Boeing and Microsoft "do farm out some jobs"... are you kidding me??? Where do you think most of the 7E7 parts are built??? They may assemble that plane in Everett but that is not where it is built. Get up to date. And I already referenced the massive tax break that Boeing won on corporate taxes. Oh, I like the way you now want to expand your "target" to include the dems... gotta be someone to blame, right? The tribes use the same body that Boeing used to get their huge tax breaks... the legislature. Again, this is how its done.

Which brings us to my original point... the tribes have learned how big business is conducted in this State and in this country... and because they want to operate a big business they have used the lessons well. Perhaps too well as there are lots of people that want to attack them for it. So why are the tribes different? Why not address the corrupt system of businesses and politicians in bed with one another thereby curing the disease and not treating the symptoms???

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#275718 - 12/27/04 03:26 PM Re: Tribal Money
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AM:

You seem pretty good at diggin up facts so let's see if you know the answer to something I have long wondered about.

Is there a PAC for commercial fishermen? If so who are they giving their mony to?
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#275721 - 12/27/04 04:13 PM Re: Tribal Money
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Dave and Marsha,

Here's where some of the Commercial Fishing PAC's money is going...

From the Oregonian:


Fishing groups plan legal fight in dam decision
Wednesday, December 22, 2004

The Bush administration's recent conclusion that dams pose no threat of driving endangered salmon extinct is facing a federal court challenge by conservation and fishing groups.

Opponents, including the Northwest Sportfishing Industry Association and the Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen's Associations , assert that the policy set by the National Marine Fisheries Service fails to protect and restore salmon and steelhead as required by the Endangered Species Act. The lawsuit, to be filed in 60 days, is part of the groups' larger effort to have four dams removed on the lower Snake River in order to restore once-abundant fish stocks.

Bush administration officials have dismissed dam removal from consideration, arguing that the Endangered Species Act authorizes the fisheries service to consider only how the dams will be operated, not whether they should exist.

U.S. District Judge James Redden, presiding over the ongoing legal battle of the dams, raised several questions about the legal and scientific footing for the government's position earlier this year.

"I am concerned," he said, "about whether or not there is a train wreck in our future."

-- Joe Rojas-Burke

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#275722 - 12/27/04 05:13 PM Re: Tribal Money
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Todd: Thanks. See the administration has worked to bring us together!
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#275724 - 12/27/04 05:45 PM Re: Tribal Money
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AM: That's why I asked the question. I did a limited search a few months ago and couldn't find anything.

I think I will ask Cory Freeman, who is a lobbyist for the sports fishermen if he knows what the netters are spending their money on.
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#275725 - 12/27/04 07:03 PM Re: Tribal Money
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Vedder:

I think I will ask Cory Freeman, who is a lobbyist for the sports fishermen if he knows what the netters are spending their money on.
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I don't know the exact figure (Corey will) but the amount the commercials spend on PAC's is a considerable--ie--the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
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#275726 - 12/27/04 07:28 PM Re: Tribal Money
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Quote:
Originally posted by pacificnw:

It is as simple as that. At least the Tribes advertise what they want....
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You mean.....Like when for weeks before I-892 was put to a vote the Tribes spent MILLIONS of dollars on ads warning soccer moms about the 'evils' of expanding gambling opportunities and the number of slot machines in our state?

Then after I-892 was defeated and they (the Tribes) didn't possibly have to share their Billions of TAX FREE revenue from the slot revenue, they went back to aggressively exanding their own gambling facilities and ads inviting everyone to 'come have a great time at......'

Is that what mean when you say, "At least the Tribes advertise what they want"?
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#275727 - 12/27/04 11:12 PM Re: Tribal Money
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RB, we see eye to eye again, one of those anomilies that happens once, err twice in a life time. Go get em......
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#275728 - 12/27/04 11:35 PM Re: Tribal Money
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Question #2: Why is it that anyone would question the Tribes any more or any less than any other corporation (U.S. or foreign) about the tactics employed to gain influence with key lawmakers?
I would question the tribes because they get hand outs like corporations do but for a different and more pathetic reason. They are buying influence with politicians like anyone else who wants to make the political process work for them but they are buying the influence with billions in profits from casinos and gambling profits unfettered by restrictions of taxation like those evil corporations.

PNW you are an obvious tribal apologist so we understand when you stick up for them but on this issue the tribes show off their true colors....Billions to buy influence to promote more gambling and pennies to help their own get off the booze and the dole. sick sick sick!!!
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#275729 - 12/27/04 11:48 PM Re: Tribal Money
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... the tribes have learned how big business is conducted in this State and in this country... and because they want to operate a big business they have used the lessons well.
PNW..Show us an example of a tribal big business that is not a casino that employees thousands of tribal members....Oh and the employees have to actually show up for work and do something productive.

Microsoft? Boeing? Kenworth? Sprint? Nextel?
.....I can't think of one right off....The tribes certainly have enough cash to start just about any sized business.
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#275730 - 12/27/04 11:59 PM Re: Tribal Money
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Dave ..I know you can't resist every chance to blame everything on Republicans but I think the larger question should be the corruption of our political process by big money. Democrats have their pockets stuffed with casino money as well.

Remember that anything in Washington State concerning sports fishing or shell fishing that involves the legislature will not go anywhere if anyone even mentions the tribes. So already in this Democratically controlled state the tribes control the agenda. The money is flowing to keep the advantage in the tribes' court. So if the tribes are spreading money around it is going where it will do them some good regardless of party.
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#275731 - 12/28/04 01:39 AM Re: Tribal Money
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GP: I just posted the article. Feeling a little sensetive?
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#275732 - 12/28/04 04:42 AM Re: Tribal Money
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Quote:
Originally posted by AuntyM:

Let's not EVEN mention the discriminatory hiring/firing practices and lack of fair labor practices that all other Washington employers have to abide by. :rolleyes:
You mean like when the Tulalips hired buku staff for the opening of their new casino, then layed off only non-tribal employees when the initial boom slowed down?
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#275734 - 12/28/04 10:14 AM Re: Tribal Money
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From what I have read, I suspect the Ds get more tribal money then the Rs. I knew that before posting this. I don't care who gets it I. just want to know.

Same with the commercial fishers. I don't know who gets the most of their money, but I want to know and I want it as public as
Possible.

I don’t see this as chance to praise/bash either party; just a chance to learn a bit more. I already knew that my party does some bad things. Gee I wonder if maybe both parties are less than perfect?
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