Uhm I believe he was combing his hair!

Well, television sucks and I'm not much for gaming, gambling, drinking etc... that others find entertaining.

Wednesday, July 13, 2005
In Case You Missed It: Karl Rove, Whistleblower


From The Wall Street Journal

Review & Outlook
July 13, 2005


Democrats and most of the Beltway press corps are baying for Karl Rove's head over his role in exposing a case of CIA nepotism involving Joe Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame. On the contrary, we'd say the White House political guru deserves a prize--perhaps the next iteration of the "Truth-Telling" award that The Nation magazine bestowed upon Mr. Wilson before the Senate Intelligence Committee exposed him as a fraud.

For Mr. Rove is turning out to be the real "whistleblower" in this whole sorry pseudo-scandal. He's the one who warned Time's Matthew Cooper and other reporters to be wary of Mr. Wilson's credibility. He's the one who told the press the truth that Mr. Wilson had been recommended for the CIA consulting gig by his wife, not by Vice President Dick Cheney as Mr. Wilson was asserting on the airwaves. In short, Mr. Rove provided important background so Americans could understand that Mr. Wilson wasn't a whistleblower but was a partisan trying to discredit the Iraq War in an election campaign. Thank you, Mr. Rove.

Media chants aside, there's no evidence that Mr. Rove broke any laws in telling reporters that Ms. Plame may have played a role in her husband's selection for a 2002 mission to investigate reports that Iraq was seeking uranium ore in Niger. ... But it appears Mr. Rove didn't even know Ms. Plame's name and had only heard about her work at Langley from other journalists.

On the "no underlying crime" point, moreover, no less than the New York Times and Washington Post now agree. So do the 36 major news organizations that filed a legal brief in March aimed at keeping Mr. Cooper and the New York Times's Judith Miller out of jail. ...

In short, Joe Wilson hadn't told the truth about what he'd discovered in Africa, how he'd discovered it, what he'd told the CIA about it, or even why he was sent on the mission. The media and the Kerry campaign promptly abandoned him, though the former never did give as much prominence to his debunking as they did to his original accusations. But if anyone can remember another public figure so entirely and thoroughly discredited, let us know.

If there's any scandal at all here, it is that this entire episode has been allowed to waste so much government time and media attention, not to mention inspire a "special counsel" probe. ...

I also remember you pink tie wearing liberals defended Sandy Berger when he stuffed classified documents in his socks and underwear. You did so because you felt it was to the benefit of Kerry. So whomever is not guilty of partisan politics please cas tthe first stone.

Lupo,

Fish rot form the GI not the head.

1. who is sandy berger
2. that makes this okay?
3. Im never gonna wear a tie, and Im never gonna tell a lie.

why everytime this admin is criticized do people scramble to find something wrong with Clinton or whoever? That has what all to do with the wrong currently being done?

In any case you can compare all you want...no contest.
I'll take a blowjob scandal over sending our boys to die for halliburton stock profits anyday.

Chives,

Sandy Berger did that last fall it has nothing to do with Clinton.

I love the Haliburton stock conspiracy theory it's all apart of the New World Order conspiracy theory. It is a sickness.

well until the admin makes up its mind on why we are there I'll go with the most likely...occams razor and all that. It sure as hell aint for wmds. But your right, maybe its not for halliburton, maybe its the secret oil pipeline

Haliburton. oil , Pipleines, NWO, zionist plot take your pick.

Show me where more than two people know a seceret and it is kept for very long. Just not happen and is less likely to happen where politics and moeny are involved. Husbands and wives and friends,families will sell each other out over a few bucks. Yet we are to believe that all of the elements involved to pull off a Haliburton stock run up are going to be kept secert? If it was true someone has already been screwed or at least feels screwed and would be talking. One thing all the head shrinkers will tell you is that behavior is not isolated. GW and all his cronies would have had to of shown signs over the years that they where capable of this. There are a lot easier ways of making money than taking a country to war.

I dont think they've kept it a secret at all. They simply said we are awarding the contracts to our good friends, no one else may bid on them, the rest of the world can take a hike, and we dont care what you think about it.

Do I realy think the war is a halliburton money grab? No, not likely. Do I think its for oil? No not entirely. I dont know what the hell its for and it seems your boy dumbya dont either but if looks funny and smells funny and if thats all i got to go on, then Im guesing its for some alterior motive unkown to plebians like myself.

Ultimately i suspect its to gain foothold in the region for future expansion, both in terms of oil and military bases, and if we can make Dicks company a few billion richer in the process why not?

Heres a question for you Kingy. Why not at least open the contracts for bidding, if for no other reason to give some semblance of fairness and propriety?, cause the opposite gives one the distinct impression that cronyism is hard at work.

Sure he does. It may be childish, but revenge is his motivator. Over 3000 Americans died on 9/11 and he never really followed through with his promise to bring all those responsible to justice.

But let Saddam threaten his daddy with an assassination attempt..... And he'll make sure way more than 3000 innocent people die as long as he can get Saddam and his family.

As mentally unstable as he is... what did you expect?

revenge for Daddy Dumbya is my least favorite of the semi plausible potential reasons for the Iraq mess.

One thing is for sure, they sure worked pretty hard to dupe the american public into beleiving we were in imminent danger from Iraqi wmds which every inspector told us were not there (this is afterall the root f this rove thing) and which ultimately proved not to be there. They must have some motive for this intentional deception and invasion? Shame on the congress for going along with it, including many many democrats....

When i ask myself, what their possible motives could be, the daddy revenge motive, is the least plausible...icing on whatever cake they are baking over there but not the primary motivator.

Again, I suspect porimarily it is the desire to gain serious military foothold in the region

I know its not for the wmds
I know we could care less about their Iraqi freedom
And all evidence points ot no link to 9/11 tho that can never be disproved for certain, only proved and thus far it has not been proven.

Therefor there is some other covert motive (unless Bush is truly insane or stupid, and I'll give him more credit than that)


Who knows? None of us little people thats for sure. Maybe we'll know in 50 years and it'll turn out that Bush was a good guy afterall? hahahaha..yeah um right.

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How much of al Qaeda's leadership has been captured or killed?

October 25, 2004
(http://cfrterrorism.org/home/)

Most terror experts agree with official claims that counterterrorism efforts have substantially depleted al Qaeda's senior ranks.
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Captured

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. A Kuwaiti who is the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. He is also believed to have personally executed Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in January 2002. Captured in Pakistan in March 2003.

Abu Zubaida. A Palestinian born in Saudi Arabia, thought to have served as Osama bin Laden's field commander following the death of Mohammed Atef. Captured in Pakistan in March 2002.

Ramzi Binalshibh. A Yemeni national and an alleged coordinator of the September 11 attacks, accused of involvement in attacks on the USS Cole in October 2000 and on a Tunisian synagogue in April 2002.
Captured in Pakistan in September 2002.

Mohammed Haydar Zammar. A Syrian-born German national accused of recruiting several of the 9/11 hijackers. Arrested in Morocco soon after the September 11 attacks.

Ali Abdul Rahman al-Ghamdi. A Saudi described as al Qaeda's top leader in Saudi Arabia and suspected of masterminding a series of bombings in Riyadh in 2003. Surrendered to Saudi authorities in June 2003.

Mohamedou Ould Slahi. A Mauritanian alleged to have played a key role in the recruitment of some of the 9/11 hijackers. Captured by Mauritanian authorities and turned over to the United States in November 2002 on suspicion he plotted to bomb Los Angeles International Airport during the 2000 millennium celebrations.

Omar al-Faruq. A Kuwaiti and an alleged link between al Qaeda and other militant Islamic groups in Southeast Asia. He was arrested in Indonesia in June 2002.

Mohsen F. A Kuwaiti whose full identity is unknown, plotted unsuccesfully to blow up a hotel in the Yemeni capital, Sanaa. Arrested in Kuwait in November 2002.

Hambali, aka Riduan Issamuddin. An Indonesian, reportedly a top strategist for Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiya in Southeast Asia. Captured in Thailand in August 2003.

Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. A Saudi thought to be al Qaeda's chief of operations in the Persian Gulf. Captured in the United Arab Emirates in November 2002.

Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani. A Tanzanian suspected in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Captured in Pakistan in July 2004.

Abu Issa al-Hindi. A British national born in India, allegedly a central planner of detailed reconnaissance of U.S. financial institutions. Captured in Britain in August 2004.

Zacarias Moussaoui. A French citizen of Moroccan origin, thought by U.S. officials to be the "20th 9/11 hijacker." Reportedly prevented from participating in the September 11 attacks because he was in custody in Minnesota on an immigration violation.

Mounir al-Motassadek. A Moroccan arrested in Hamburg in November 2001, the only person to have been convicted of a crime connected to the 9/11 attacks. In 2004, Germany's Supreme Court threw out the verdict. Currently being retried.

Richard Reid. British-born, sentenced to life in prison in January 2003 for trying to blow up an airliner with explosives hidden in his shoes.

Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. A Saudi believed to have been head of Qaeda operations in the Persian Gulf and linked to the August 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. Sentenced to death by a Yemeni court in September 2004 for the bomb attack on the USS Cole, which killed 17 U.S. sailors in October 2000. Currently in U.S. custody.

Believed dead

Amjad Farooqi. A Pakistani, allegedly helped organize two failed assassination attempts on Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and participated in the abduction and murder of Daniel Pearl. Reportedly killed by Pakistani security forces in September 2004.

Mohammed Atef. An Egyptian believed to have been al Qaeda's senior field commander. According to the Pentagon, he was killed in Afghanistan in November 2001.

Ali Qaed Senyan al-Harthi. A Yemeni suspected of involvement in the bombing of the USS Cole. Believed to have been killed in a U.S. counterterrorist operation in Yemen in November 2002.

Abu Hazim al-Shair. A Yemeni and former bin Laden bodyguard thought to have been al Qaeda's chief of operations for the Gulf States and a key planner of the May 2003 bombings of Western residential compounds in Saudi Arabia. Reportedly killed in Riyadh by Saudi security forces in March 2004.

where's osama? "dead or alive!"?


*whispers into Rory's ear "dead or alive!"

why did he divert the funds and troops dedicated by congress for catching osama to Iraq?
why? why? why?

I dont know either...im askin.

all those captured, and yet they function and attacked London only last week. The war on terror is going well? I know theres good people working hard on it and all..Dumbya told me so.

Chives,

I only posted the known (as of 10/04) al Qaeda's leadership (those responsible for planning and financing 9/11) to be dead or captured from the cfrterrorism.org website. I thought you were convinced OBL was dead anyway? I don't have any documented proof of that so I didn't post it as fact.

Do you still think all the trouble in the Middle East started 50 years ago? Any other pearls of wisdom or insight in to the history of the region you'ld care to share?

No more pearls from me. PLease by all means educate me on the history of that region and explain our policy there. It certainly appears to have been a smashing success...Im eager to learn how it got this way, and why what we are doing now is making it even better.

I dont mind you changing the subject if i learn something.

Chives,

Too many people have witnessed erratic and illogical behavior from our president. At 35, he was still acting like a college party animal with his drinking and drug binges. I might not mind that type of behavior from my pals, but I expect more from a man that would some day be president. His lack of ethics and twisted morality is a symptom of his sickness and the Christian right only enables him to get away with it because he said the right things regarding gay marriage and abortion. If he had truly believed his convictions on those issues, he would have put more time and energy in that direction, instead, he went after Saddam.

I think Cheney and company took advantage of Georgie and his weakness for revenge to further their own agenda. Call it the manipulation of a sick mind. It isn't had to do.

well i never said i thought Osama was dead. Rory is thinkin of someone else. i was the one who said i dont beleive we are realy looking for him, and i beleive Theking brought up 50 years as a reference point for the mid east.
I dont deny Im largely ignorant of history beyond that there. i looked into that Isaac and Ishmael thing and couldnt make head nors tail of the religious babble.

Back on Topic, Rove is a dirty traitor and worse than Osama. Face it the guy lashed out at wilson cause he wouldnt go along with your rush to war scheme, now he's busted...have fun squirming.

Yeah, like al Qaeda doesn't have a promotion system. :rolleyes:

"I dont deny Im largely ignorant of history beyond that there"

Whats really funny is the liberal drones here have been cheering you on and agreeing with you.

What's refreshing is that he admits it, unlike the neocon evangelicals here.