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#285529 - 12/27/05 11:56 AM Spying on Americans
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Registered: 12/29/04
Posts: 577
Loc: Richland,Washington
There are all sorts of stories turning up, MSM and web, that the NSA spying on Americans is just the tip of the iceberg. From Capitol Hill Blue:

NSA just one of many federal agencies spying on Americans
By DOUG THOMPSON
Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue
Dec 27, 2005, 00:35

Spying on Americans by the super-secret National Security Agency is not only more widespread than President George W. Bush admits but is part of a concentrated, government-wide effort to gather and catalog information on U.S. citizens, sources close to the administration say.

Besides the NSA, the Pentagon, Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Homeland Security and dozens of private contractors are spying on millions of Americans 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.

“It’s a total effort to build dossiers on as many Americans as possible,” says a former NSA agent who quit in disgust over use of the agency to spy on Americans. “We’re no longer in the business of tracking our enemies. We’re spying on everyday Americans.”

Rest of story at:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7904.shtml
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#285531 - 12/27/05 12:43 PM Re: Spying on Americans
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Posts: 6830
Probably data for that Poindexter database that was nixed (wink wink).
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#285532 - 12/27/05 03:21 PM Re: Spying on Americans
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Registered: 12/29/04
Posts: 577
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Quote:
Originally posted by AuntyM:
Anybody want to loan me the capital for a new start up company? I've already picked out the name. Concentration Camps R us.
Well...look on the bright side. At least TK will have a job.
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#285533 - 12/29/05 12:05 PM Re: Spying on Americans
John Lee Hookum Offline
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Registered: 10/12/01
Posts: 2505
Loc: Area 51
Subject: Big Brother Bush


http://www.alternet.org/story/30175/


Big Brother Bush

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted December 29, 2005.


I don't mean to scare you silly -- but there's a reason we have never
given our government this kind of power.


The first time as tragedy, the second time as farce. Thirty-five years
ago, Richard Milhous Nixon, who was crazy as a bullbat, and J. Edgar
Hoover, who wore women's underwear, decided some Americans had
unacceptable political opinions. So they set our government to spying
on its own citizens, basically those who were deemed insufficiently
like Crazy Richard Milhous.

For those of you who have forgotten just what a stonewall paranoid
Nixon was, the poor man used to stalk around the White House demanding
that his political enemies be killed. Many still believe there was a
certain Richard III grandeur to Nixon's collapse because he was also a
man of notable talents. There is neither grandeur nor tragedy in
watching this president, the Testy Kid, violate his oath to uphold the
laws and Constitution of our country.

The Testy Kid wants to do what he wants to do when he wants to do it
because he is the president, and he considers that sufficient
justification for whatever he wants. He even finds lawyers like John
Yoo, who tell him that whatever he wants to do is legal.

The creepy part is the overlap. Damned if they aren't still here,
after all these years, the old Nixon hands -- Dick Cheney and Donald
Rumsfeld, the whole gang whose yearning for authoritarian government
rose like a stink over the Nixon years. Imperial executive. Bring back
those special White House guard uniforms. Cheney, like some malignancy
that cannot be killed off, back at the same old stand, pushing the
same old crap. Of course, they tell us we have to be spied on for our
own safety, so they can catch the terrorists who threaten us all.
Thirty-five years ago, they nabbed a film star named Jean Seberg and a
bunch of people running a free breakfast program for poor kids in
Chicago. This time, they're onto the Quakers. We are not safer.

We would be safer, as the 9-11 commission has so recently reminded us,
if some obvious and necessary precautions were taken at both nuclear
and chemical plants -- but that is not happening because those
industries contribute to Republican candidates. Republicans do not ask
their contributors to spend a lot of money on obvious and necessary
steps to protect public safety. They wiretap, instead. You will be
unsurprised to learn that, first, they lied. They didn't do it. Well,
OK, they did it, but not very much at all. Well, OK, more than that. A
lot more than that. OK, millions of private e-mail and telephone calls
every hour, and all medical and financial records.

You may recall in 2002 it was revealed that the Pentagon had started a
giant data-mining program called Total Information Awareness (TIA),
intended to search through vast databases "to increase information
coverage by an order of magnitude."

From credit cards to vet reports, Big Brother would be watching us.
This dandy program was under the control of Adm. John Poindexter,
convicted of five felonies during Iran-Contra, all overturned on a
technicality. This administration really knows where to go for good
help -- it ought to bring back Brownie.

Everybody decided that TIA was a terrible idea, and the program was
theoretically shut down. As often happens with this administration, it
turned out they just changed the name and made the program less
visible. Data-mining was a popular buzzword at the time, and the
administration was obviously hot to have it. Bush established a secret
program under which the National Security Agency could bypass the FISA
(Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) court and begin eavesdropping
on Americans without warrants.

As many have patiently pointed out, the entire program was
unnecessary, since the FISA court is both prompt and accommodating.
There is virtually no possible scenario that would make it difficult
or impossible to get a FISA warrant -- it has granted 19,000 warrants
and rejected only a handful.

I don't like to play scary games where we all stay awake late at
night, telling each other scary stories -- but there's a reason we
have never given our government this kind of power. As the late Sen.
Frank Church said, "That capability could at any time be turned around
on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left,
such is the capacity to monitor everything: telephone conversations,
telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide."

And if a dictator took over, the NSA "could enable it to impose total
tyranny." Then we always get that dreadful goody-two-shoes response,
"Well, if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to
worry about, do you?"

Folks, we KNOW this program is being and will be misused. We know it
from the past record and current reporting. The program has already
targeted vegans and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals --
and, boy, if those aren't outposts of al-Qaida, what is? Could this be
more pathetic?

This could scarcely be clearer. Either the president of the United
States is going to have to understand and admit he has done something
very wrong, or he will have to be impeached. The first time this
happened, the institutional response was magnificent. The courts, the
press, the Congress all functioned superbly. Anyone think we're up to
that again? Then whom do we blame when we lose the republic?
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Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of
Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter
of the gods.

-- Albert Einstein



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