Fishpinner,

These firearms fire the same rounds, or projectiles, at the same speed as traditional bolt action rifles. Some have more power, .458 SOCOM, while others have less, 7.62x39. These rifles just look different. Internally, they work just the same.

So should folks be able to own cars that look fast? Or should they be outlawed because of what someone might do with them? Speed and alcohol when mixed with fast cars kills many more people each year.

Thanks for the explanation, Dogfish. I guess I don't think they should be outlawed, but I do think it would be smart of hunters to not use them. Perception is reality, and if non-hunters see dudes carrying around guns that look like machine guns, they will have a worse view of hunting in general. Some of you say you don't care what the average person thinks, but that is a short-sighted point of view. If gun control initiatives are proposed and you have alienated the public, they will become law and you won't be able to do a thing. I don't know anything on the subject other than what I've read in this thread, so please educate me if I'm missing something here.

At some point people with good sense are going to be in the minority, at that point following the wishes of the majority will not make sense...i.e. gun control. Going through life worring what some idiot might think about you is not much better than being pussy-whipped..........

So if I carry a firearm that looks like a sniper weapon I need to be wary of what they'll think? Shotguns are scary to some folks, as are pistols. Should I give those up too? Why do I need to be like everybody else? What you are suggesting is called becoming one of the SHEEPLE. (SHEEP + PEOPLE) I don't care to be one of the flock. I am trying to educate folks.

There are lots of people who don't fish, they drive sensible cars that have trouble doing 0-60 in a minute, and they eat bean curd like I eat meat. Do I need to do as they do, and dress like them too? I don't want to drive a 1972 VW van and protest for nuclear free zones. Hopefully you enjoy being different.

I blame the media for the perception of what folks call "assault rifles", and every time I see it misrepresented, I write to them to correct them. The media is not accurate by any account. They bend the facts to meet their needs so they can sell papers, airtime, and commercials.

The priveledge to hunt and the right to keep and bear arms are two entirely different subjects. If you give them one gun, they'll keep on going until they get them all. The anti gun folks tell the sheeple that they'll still be able to hunt, "So just give us those black guns. Oh, while you're at it, give the pistols and other semi autos to us too." That's what they did in Australia. That's what they'll do here too, if the sheeple bow to them.

Don't be a sheep.

Well said dogfish,

I would just like to add aliitle to that and bring an example close to the PNW. Remember when baiting and hound hunting were banned for bear and cougar. Most of the SHEEPLE probably never heard or saw any of theses hunting methods until it hit the media airwaves. It envoked a sympathy vote becaus it became graphicaly and visualy violent to them. The SHEEPLE are not biologists and should not be making these types of decisions. The anti gun crowd is doing them same thing by shinning the spot light on the most horrfic and sad gun crimes to envoke sympathy for the victim on a nation wide scale. It is real easy to sway someone when they compelled to make decisions when there emotions are set into sad react mode.

Wheter you are a hunter, a shooter, collector etc etc. We need to be firm in our beliefs and not be easily swayed like the SHEEPLE. If we could come up with some ideas, money, and organization witout coruption we stand a great chance. I think this is what the NRA was supposed to be before it became a corupt political lobbyist group.

Back to the miltary style firearm hunting. What would you guys think if the magazines capacitites were restricted to 5 or 6 rounds for hunting only. I wouldn't see the difference between a browning semi auto in .308 that could hold 5 rounds and a HK semi auto in .308 with the same capacity other than apperance.

Good point on the cougar/bear hound hunting and baiting issue. The funny thing is that nobody has ever tried to dispute the constitutionality of that initiative, as initiatives can only address a single issue. That initiative actually addressed up to 4 depending on how you look at it.

I'm all for restricting magazine capacity "FOR HUNTING ONLY". I don't see any reason why someone would need more than 4 or 5 rounds in a rifle while hunting. I still carry about 15-20 rounds on me, just in case I ever get lost and I need to signal.

Many states have magazine restrictions for hunting while Washington currently has no such restriction.

One issue is that I would exempt .22s and other rimfires. Some of them have tubular magazines that really can't be modified, 10/22's have a standard 10 round mag, and my .17 hmr and .22 mag rifles have 8 rounders. I'm not aware of anybody making 5 rounders.

Even when I'm at the range, I usually only load 10 rounds at most in my AR mags, for two 5 round groups. I shoot one group, then the other, make the rifle safe, then go down range. If I load more, then I end up having to remove the mag and remove the chambered round.

My point exactly!

Why are laws concerning what another man wants to carry in his rifle needed ?

There are more laws than can be enforced already...

Close down every meth lab. in the U.S., catch every thief and rapist, then get back to me about passing more laws which solve problems that don't even exist.....................................

Then how in the F am I supposed to make money and get laid. HA HA HA just kidd'n.

As long as proper ammo is used they are fine. Isn't it illegal to hunt with full metal jacket like many sks bullets are.....just a thought

PMC, Winchester, Wolf, and other companies make softpoint and HP rounds suitable for hunting.