FYI they completed the drawing. You can go into your hunt draw history and see if you were successful for 2007. It won't tell you which choice. That will come next week hopefully. I struck out this year. Good luck my nephew drew a branched bull tag.

Out of 3 family members I was the only one who got a tag
Deer, just gotta wait to see where at

I drew deer, but nada on the rest. Had a couple of primo hunts for 1st and 2nd choices, so I've got my fingers crossed. I've heard of a number of people that have "E" listed...wonder if that means "Error"? Guess we'll see next week. Hope for WDFW's sake they don't have to redraw.

Do you have a link? Can't find anything but 206 data.

Try this
https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/wa/specialhunt

Archery - Margaret or Toutle Bull.
Not sure which unit yet.

I didn't draw, but my kids went nuts.

My 16 y/o son drew a great buck tag (don't know which GMU yet, but we only put in for three primo ones).

My 13 y/o son drew:
- Buck tag
- Bull elk tag
- Moose tag
- Bighorn Sheep tag

Really. That must be like hitting the lottery. I'm pretty excited.....

Are you sure? That seems like a dream. If it is true you have a lot of work to do.

Sorry to give you all bad news.But heres the scoop,straight from Olympia this morning.I called them about 10 this morning.And have already posted this on a couple other sites

None of the info you have found out is accurate.They hope the results will be posted by Friday but they do have till the end of the month..Till then nothing you have seen matters.

They told me the successful-unsuccesful is not accurate and cannot be verified.

Hope those of you that think you got drawn arent disapointed.And do get what you think you did.I know I would be,and am, just having to continue to wait.

Sorry guys.

SWEET!!!!

that means there may still be a glimmer of a chance!

Bummer for Dan DV. Or maybe not as that did sound like a lot of work. Shoot I'd quit my job to guide my son around on those hunts he "drew". Hope some of those stick.
I have a friend with a goat tag in ID this year and can't wait to see the goat in camp as I'll arrive after that hunt is done.

has anyone found anything online to explain the error by the wdfw?

I was just hoping that there was a good honest explanation behind it. Oh wait, it is the wdfw, I guess that sums it up.

Dont blame WDFW ,sure they have their faults but you can blame Outdoor Central for this 1. They are the outfit in charge of permit draws. I think everybody out to go to there site and let them know what we think.

makes me feel better to blame wdfw, besides they are the one that contracts them for the special permit process.

Well,

I have to admit it, you can all blame me. When I saw that I wasn't drawn with a minimum of 5 preference points on any one of 5 species (9 for elk, moose, sheep, and goat, 5 for deer), I was hoping for the data to be incorrect.

I think that what folks get when they try an end around though, and the method folks were using didn't seem correct. Remember, your name may be pulled out of the hat, but if your chosen hunts have already been given away to folks drawn before you, you still get no joy.

Anyway, I've been a good boy this past year, and I deserve to be drawn. Not you guys.

I feel sorry for Dan's son, but then again he's at camp and didn't even know. Here hoping I really do get drawn, as is will make up for being drawn as an alternate on a moose tag two years ago. I'll save some pepperoni for you.

I didn't get drawn, yet. But,.... if I don't I may still go.

First time to even buy a license in a dozen years or better, I guess it's just a good excuse to go for a walk in the woods with a gun, and keep me off of the rivers for a week or two.

If it's true they messed up, sorry to get your hopes up if you thought you drew. When I saw the kid got sheep, moose , deer and elk tag I thought something was up. I know my nephew will be bummed, but that means my wife and I are still in the game. I should have known I need to see it in writing.WDFW or someone else, this is typical of our state.

Nada, again for me. Guess I'll keep throwing my $5 out there till I get it, and I'll be fookin' stoked when I do. Deer, Elk, & moose...

Sounds like it's official, throw these results out for a do-over, I 'spose i'd be about one pissed off dude if I had to give back the tag of my dreams 'cause "they" screwed up. buffoons

How understanding are *they* when one of us makes a mistake? Do they say "no worries" just don't do it again, or do they bust out the ticket book and start writing? buffoons.

Just another demonstration of the imcompetency of those that run the show in this state. buffoons.

Sent this in this morning along with a couple phone calls.
Dear Mr Koenings, 07/18/07

There has been a great deal of concern in the hunting community regarding this years permit draw process.Most people feel that the extension given on the submission of draws was not fair to people that put their selections in on time.They feel that it gave people an opportunity to apply for permits that wouldnt have ordinarily applied.Thus taking opportunity away from people that applied on time.

Another situation has been where people are going to the site where you put in your wild I.D. # and it tells if you were selected, or not selected for Individual species and for each year.They are seeing results for 2007 showing if they have been selected or not,but arent yet able to see what units they were selected for, if they were selected for a special permit.
Some offices are saying that it is not valid information and it will probably change.Other offices are saying it is accurate, and all that needs to be posted is the unit that an individual was selected for.

Another area of concern is the validity of this years permit draw.We have all been seeing the notice that "Due to technical difficulties special hunt results are not yet available."A lot of people have been calling the Olympia offices and regional offices.Then they get a lot of conflicting reports of what is going on with the draw system.

Some of the examples are
That bonus points were not put in so a redraw needs to be done.
There is a server issue transfering the info from Outdoor Central to WDFW.
That the selected- not selected portion of the draws is accurate.
That the selected-not selected portion is not accurate.

Most sportsmen and women feel that Outdoor Central has been in this business for a long time.They should be very capable of handling any and all issues that come up with the permitting process and that delays and mistakes on their part are totally unacceptable.But that they seem to make them every year.We hope that this issue has been taken up with them and that we wont be seeing these kinds of problems in the future.

Unfortunately most people are placing the blame on WDFW because your office did the hiring of Outdoor Central.Thus you are ultimately responsible for the final outcome.This is causing a major image problem with WDFW as seen by our states sportsmen and women.

I have been seeing these issues talked about on several internet bulletin boards.One thing that has been a pretty good suggestion would be if there is any way you could put up a bulletin on WDFWs website,and explain what is really going on.Maybe address some of the issues I brought up.And also to explain what is being done to get these issues straightened out.

I would really appreciate it if I could hear back from you regarding this letter.
You can reach me at xxxxxx .com

Sincerely,
Rick Hill

These are just a few examples of whats going on.


They put this out a little while ago.
WDFW ADVISORY
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/

July 18, 2007

Results of special-hunt drawing delayed

The results of the drawing for 2007 special hunting permits are not available at this time, due to technical difficulties with the Department of Fish and Wildlife’s (WDFW) computerized licensing system.

WDFW will post the results on this website and contact successful applicants as soon as the drawing is completed and the results are verified.

A test drawing, conducted July 14, was never verified, because WDFW found that its licensing system failed to include bonus points for many applicants. WDFW is working with Outdoor Central, its licensing system vendor, to correct that problem before conducting a final drawing.

“Fairness is the key issue here,” said Larry Peck, WDFW deputy director. “We need to make sure everyone gets all the bonus points coming to them. This is a two-step process: The drawing is not official until the results have been verified.”

Once that occurs, the department will immediately phone about 320 applicants for special hunts beginning Aug. 1 with the results, Peck said. Other applicants will be notified by mail, as described in WDFW’s Big Game Hunting Rules pamphlet






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Looks like they are trying to cover their a$$es by saying it was a test run.

My thoughts exactly!

NO SH*T!!!
I am HOT!!!. First the extension was BS. NOW this. I got drawn "supposedly "for a dream hunt. Meaning my couple of selections are totally awesome hunts. I was so jacked up I could hardly sleep. Then telling buddies about my hunt now I get kicked in the balls. I smell a rat. If I get new result saying "not selected" I may go postal at the WDFW headquaters.

Now you armchair quarterbacks are just plain whining.

Did any of you receive either mail or e-mail notification of you being drawn for a hunt? I doubt so. You were trying to short circuit the system, you thought you found something out early, and now you are pissed. You tried to exploit a weakness in their system, and got burnt. Get over it.

The regs said that they have until July 31st to notify us of being drawn, and that date has yet to pass.

Folks who have the points deserve to get credit for it. When I purchased my special permit apps, their was an error in the number of points that it showed due to me being drawn for AHE cow permits (which don't count against you). They said that the drawing would reflect the correct number of points in the drawing, and apparently it didn't. Certainly sounds plausible to be that they ran a test, and their system for adjusting for these AHE points didn't work.

Look out for the black helicopters, and I'm sorry that you got all butt hurt about this. It really was my fault, not theirs.

Your right Dogfish they have only been doing this for ten years, we should give them some slack.

"Due to technical difficulties" what a bunch of bullsh!t. The extension thing has happened for the past 3 years! WDFG has become a laughing stock. Our license fee are higher than most every other state around and we are getting nothing in return for it! Oh, thats right, we are getting lower catches for most species of fish. We are getting, nice, well maintained ramps to launch our vessels at. I'm sure others can chime in on were our money is going. Starting to think I will start hunting in other states again. It's a shame when you can't even get excited about hunting and fishing in your own state. For the $1000 it costs to buy out of state tags, including the expenses for the trip, you get a lot more for you money than you do here. Plus a much better chance of bagging an animal!

So they kept the drawings open for a few more days. Sure, I got mine in on time, but I don't feel slighted.

You were also using the incorrect website for finding out your hunt selections.

You are a bunch of whiny guys who sound like every other "wronged group" and feel that you are either ENTITLED to have everything run perfect, and go your way. Guess what, the world isn't perfect. Get over it Alice.

Sheesh, you guys sound like somebody's squawking 12 year old daughter because her shoes weren't the right shade of pink.

Wow dogfish you are being a littl eharsh arn't you...

Think of it this way.
WDFW says draw will be friday results will be posted saturday. So you go look saturday, on a WDFW website and see that you are selected, what do you think??? You think you are selected. Then wednesday after mistakes have been found they say oh that was just a test. After they said you can look here at your drawing history, and your current status... And the current status is what got me lookign there.
If i didn't get drawn i would have brushed it off as another year, another preference point just like the last 9.
But the WDFW told me i can see my tag STATUS there so that is where i checked...
There are people that think they should draw every year.
Now i do not know you so i will not make any statements about you or your statements, but i bet if you looked and drew a moose permit or a big bull permit and was fed a line of bull like some, your tune would change...

Now i have already heard some people say oh no it wouldn't matter, if it wasn't a fair draw i would always want it to be redrawn. Well how do you know that this next one will be fair??? Could be problems with the next one and really do not want to deal with it again????
Is there any watchdog on the WDFW??? Nope.
Now i am not really hot anymore, i am over it, but what i am mad about is being fed many different lines of bull.

So do you know for a fact that it was points missing???
I know for a fact that someone in my party was removed from the draw before it happened. We did not know that is what happened untill today, but the drawing was void of his name.
Also heard that there was double the moose permits issued.
Also heard that it was an even draw, nobody had any preference points.

All from the game department, so what do you want people to believe???

Oh yeah maybe now i will draw my desert buck tag...

Your absolutely right , how sellfish of me. Expecting something the state has involvement in to run even close to fair.I'd like to buy you lunch for your insight. You like knuckle sandwiches?

I'm harsh? What about all the folks bi-tchin at the WDFW?

Again, they said results by 7/31/07, and they provided a SPECIFIC website to check the results on, and yes, my elk permit ticket showed an incorrect number of preferrence points. The state hasn't passed the deadline yet, and the website they provide in the regs didn't show anything incorrect.

I do hope Dan's sons get a hunt or two, and you guys as well, but you really are sounding like a bunch of whiners. Sorry I upset you by comparing you to a 12 year old girl. Well, not really.

LMFAO, just f*cking with you Dogfish. I know your a good guy. Just upset about being c*ckteased by the WDFW. You know, got me all rutted up and then told me no,

And hey, theres a big difference between whining and be upset. I'm no whiner I'll guarantee you that, but yes I was upset.

So unbelievably excited..........

Then so terribly bummed.........

Andy, I must blame you. You spoke it, and it was so......

And for the record, I pretty much do feel like a 12 year old girl over this one.

My pet elk need thinning next month.

I think most everyone is mistaken on this. None of the links I checked for my draw results are WDFW. They are all Outdoor Central pages. I was never told by WDFW that I was drawn or not. Only by Outdoor Central. I even told my Dad and stepdaughter that they got drawn, but no one else did. Something is hinky here, but it is not just WDFW. WDFW is always hinky, we know that and should never believe anything unless we have it in writing. Then only believe what we actually see first hand. Now for all the sub-contractors this state uses, they rely on computers to do the work. Computers screw up more than people do. Just look at the election results over the years. It sucks, but we will all have to wait for the new drawing to be done.

So I have my Margaret or Toutle bull tag taken away......I will get it someday.

My bitch is the problems and lies we are being fed. I follow the rules and apply early and on time. Those that choose to apply late cause problems for the system and they extend the deadline. Would the state Lotto do that? We are not the only state that uses points or Outdoor Central. This is not the first time or first year that we have had problems with the draw. The other states don't seem to have the problems we have. Call one F&W number and get an explanation, call another number and you get another explanation. Send an email and again, a different answer. Leave a message about trapping and never get a reply. Call about tooth submittals and get fed bs by an office assistant that knows nothing. Send an email about any of the above and don't get a reply for going on 23 days. Call about a family members hunting or trapping status and have them tell you that they never held a license or completed a course.....and know that they are wrong.

I know that nothing is ever perfect, but a guy can only take so much.

Amen brother, Amen. WDFW couln't organize a three year olds birthday party yet we pay the highest resident fees around. I think I know their employee's and managment's mentallity. "My checks the same" Am I right?

Dan,

I know you know what a 12 year old girl acts like. Am I wrong?

Two more weeks, and we'll have our answers.

So good to finally see someone say that perhaps our fine State of Washington Fish and Wildlife Department may have f'd up. So many of you appreciate the fairness in a redraw, but aren't looking at the people applying for these permits that have multiple years of points built up for a specific hunt. Seeing that some of you respect this and appreciate the drawing did take place (trial drawing my a#s), and the States mistake is a huge mess up, makes me confident that perhaps this will find justice in the near future. Riverswild, you're right, I've been fed bs also on this whole deal. I didn't get my draw, but my dad saw that he got his after 8 points worth, 8 years, and is now in limbo. With 8 points accumulated someone should expect their draw. This point system seems weird anyways with people recieving points for reporting poachers, etc... I hope since my dad, after having a heart attack and surviving it last month, and seeing the results of this draw said, "this is the hunt of a lifetime" gets the opportunity to participate in the hunt. Let the WDFW call him personally and say, "gees, sorry but we f'd up". GOOD JOB WDFW. Not only is it my dad, it's kids, wives, and even you.... Now what do we do, just stand back and get yeehawed in the pooper? Great! Thanks Big Jim, I like the word hinky!

seems to me that in the very beginning that I claimed that the WDFW f'd up but was quickly told it wasn't their fault, that it was Outdoor Centrals fault.

WDFW is a big operation with big shoulders, they can handle some dumping on. Besides they should be used to it by now

WDFW chose the contractor, they are responsible.
If you as lets say a home builder, and you sub out some work and it gets screwed up, do you tell the people you are building a house for sorry not my fault, even though it was you who subed out the work??? Pretty much the same. WDFW has no watch dog, there is no accountability, because they are not even accountable to the people who support there jobs.
Fishtales sorry to hear about your dad, hpe he gets out and is able to hunt.
I have 10 points now that i will not draw this year (what are the odds of getting drawn 2 times in the same year???). But i am realistic and know that there is only 34 permits for about 1200 people in the units i put in for. So someday i will draw, i was just excited to see that it was possibly this year...

We need to see some accountability. And responsibility, maybe some pride in ones job. But i forgot they are govt workers... I do not take that litely, because i am a govt. employee also. But tax payers do not pay my wage...

Big Thule,

I'll also have 10 points for nexts year's draw in at least 3 species. No joy for me in antlerd bull elk in many ,many years, and 5 years for a deer hunt. I'm due as well.

The extension issue was a server issue, and if you were one of the guys who would have gotten screwed out of submitting your application on the last day, you would have been bi-tching about that. The extension was fair. Can you honestly say that the folks who tried to submit their apps on the last day deserve to get screwed out of a chance?

Again, for the third time, they haven't passed the date that they said the results would be out by, July 31st, 2007, and that the results would be available on a specific website. The results you received were on the subcontractor's website, not the WDFW's official website and none of you can say which hunt you were drawn for with any certainty, unless you only put in for a single hunt. As long as they get the results out by 7/31/07, I'm fine by the WDFW, because that is when they said they'd get them out by.

Personally, I'd like the results much earlier, like permits due by Feb 28th, and drawings by March 31st.

Whine, whine, whine. You guys are not acting like 12 year olds, I apologize to 12 year old girls everywhere. Yes, I think you are behaving like a bunch of 2 year olds.

10 points??? Good God! I only have 3 points and I was expecting good things this year.

do the points really matter??

My uncle drew a branched bull tag year before last, so his points reset. Then last year drew a cow tag. Seems to me there is no rhyme or reason to their system.

Dog fish, i am not to worried about it anymore. There were people that were told over the phone what unit and tag they were actually drawn for, byu the olympia office...
And if i did wait untill the last day to submit my choices i would kick my own a$$ because i know what happened last year and they put out many warnings to submit early, because there would be no extension, then what happened??? People flooded the sysytem and messed it up again.
I waited until the multi season permit was was drawn for the second time, no dice so i submitted my apps a couple days before the deadline...
I would love to see the drawing in jan feb march time frame...

But i was told there winter survival study is not done untill late, that is why i drawings are last...

Heck maybe now i will get my desert mule deer hunt...

Just got an email saying the drawing can now be viewed....
Good luck guys!
Dogfish if you get drawn for a moose hunt I'd love to tag along.

I see Salty beat me to the punch.
Let's hear about your draws guys.

Now the servers down! CONSPIRACY I TELL YA!

The site is down, because everyone and there brother is on the site!

Ryan

You gotta be wrong there Elkman. Everyone is conspiring against me. Shhhh!......did you just hear that?

I'm happy...my brother and I both drew a muzzleloader Toutle cow permit, and we applied separately. I had 1 point, and I think my brother had 3. I'm looking forward to that hunt. It'll be a nice change from hunting eastern Washington and only being able to kill spikes. Plus this is a lot closer to home...just think of all the money we'll save on gas.

Andy,

I will wait 30 minutes, and then switch to see if we can get our results.

Ryan

I just called 360 902 2515. The gal told me I was a loser, my wife is a loser, and my nephew who thought he had a big bull tag is a loser too! Oh well at least I can head East and shoot a cow elk starting Aug. 1st. Good luck.

Wow, now we all know the draw is "final", but we can't view it. Is this the same contractor with the poor server issues our the state that can't support the traffice? Anyone know a secret to get a result? Some of you, congratulations, know the results. Is it just persistence on the look up?