i dont worry about home protection...if anyone was bumb enough to break in my house they would die no matter what i use as protection. im such a light sleeper you couldnt jiggle our door handle with out me waking up.

which actually really sucks cause im up at all hours of the night thanks to the cats playing. but then again it is ok i guess cause i hear alot of [censored] and always look out the window to see whats causing the noise. so the neighbors like me lol. and i will defend their property just like i would my own.

Man this post is fun! Glocks not safe? True they are not safe in the hand of infants. Most major police departments in the United States carry them.
The Glock is a pistolmans pistol, as with any firearm respect and caution should be exercised when carried or used. 1911 pistols are also dangerous, revolvers are dangerous as well. It is in the hands of the holder.....I spent 12 years in the criminal justice system, have owned a hunting fishing store and am an avid shooter. I love the Glock, and a few others. The positive thing I have to say for them is they are easy to clean and maintain, reliable, and light weight. Just a darn fine pistol. Best defense round is the RBCD bar none! Only exception is the stuff issued to the military and police by RBCD. Case in point we fired a 380 RBCD round through the seattle yellow pages at 7ft. The round went completely through and shredded the back of the book. We then took a 38 special with Winchester silvertip and fired it next to the 380 hole. The round only went 1/2 way through and stopped. The 380 RBCD was like a 44 or 45 in performance.
So, if you are going to carry any firearm get one stop shopping/stopping with RBCD. I have them for every gun I own, including my Glocks.
Hope this helps!

Fishjager hit the nail on the head.

In the hands of a person who is competent with firearms, the Glock is one of the safest handguns on the market.

On the other hand,the best handgun safety systems in the world can't stop the untrained or incompetent from hurting themselves or others. For them the safest choice is a baseball bat.

The bottom line for a personal defense weapon, carried or homebound, is to be comfortable and proficient with the gun that you chose.

There is also the difference in function. All of the 1911 pistols (less the next generation 1911's) are single action only pistols, Kimbers included. They take a different operational approach than your typical double action auto pistol. A 1911 must be cocked prior to firing the first round. But with a double action auto you can pick it up and fire the weapon as soon as you release the safety. It does not need to be cocked prior to firing.

The 1911 generation of pistols are also some of my favorites.

As I am sure Rafterman will attest to, they should only be carried, especially cocked and locked, by people with advanced knowledge and practice with such weapons.

I have a V10 Springfield that has seen many days being tucked high and tight under the shirt.

When you own a 1911 you will sooner or later (against all sound advice) have to make the pistol safe & lower the hammer on a chambered round.

Nearly anyone who knows 1911 pistols will tell you that it should never, ever be done. I echo that sentiment. But I end up doing it anyway as a matter of convenience.

Obviously when I make my pistols safe in this manner it is pointing in a safe direction.

But that's the difference between a Glock and a 1911. In well trained hands the 1911 is just as safe as a Glock, but operating a Glock involves far fewer steps than a 1911. Less chances to make a mistake. Not better or worse....just different.

Well stated and I 100% agree with you.

Very well said RM, BD and FJ. The 1911 is a great pistol hence it's almost 100yr history BUT it is not the safest design on todays market. (accuracy yes but safety no).

The Glock, like the revolver (which is regarded as a generally safe firearm) has no external safety. The 5.5 lb trigger pull is in essence the safety. But like ALL firearms safety is of paramount importance regardless of the weapon chosen.

A 1911 style would not be my first choice in a novices hands. The light single action trigger on the 1911 lends itself to AD's in the wrong hands (nervous or scared) while the glock needs a more deliberate trigger pull.

I have seen 2 NEW Springfield 1911's go automatic on people because of a sear problem and 1 1911 had the hammer fall on my Bro in law after jacking a round which resulted in an AD with no injury.

CASPIAN DAMASCUS STEEL SLIDE - Just for fun....

well the main thing about the glock is the trigger safety...that is the reason people dont like or think they are not that same.

i thought that as well before i actually got one.

but after playing with the safety to see how it reacts. you actually do have to have that safety pulled flush with the trigger for it to disengage the safety.

and they make a slide lock for the trigger safety that is cheap and really easy to install.

not to mention the glock is like the honda civic of handguns. you can do everything to them lol

RafterMan----That's a purdy piece.

Rafterman,

Thats some sweet looking steel. Very easy on the eye.


Fishjager,


What I think is funny is that the response to the claim that the Glock is just as safe as any other handgun is always But all the police departments use them. How does that prove them safer for carry by someone who won't be shooting them on the range as often as a fulltime LEO?

Accidents happen, and having a safety that is located OFF the trigger just seems to lessen the chance. I've personally seen one AD not happen because of a safety, that would have occurred on a Glock.

Unfortunately I couldn't find any hard numbers on accidental discharges to help settle this. I think those numbers might help settle this.

I might be a bit biased because I get to see the results of cockiness+over familiarity+dangerous tool (gun, nailgun, car, knife, etc etc). My favorite accidents are the framers who remove the safety from their nail guns and then after 8+ years of getting away without an incident...nail their kneecap to their tibia with a 16 penny.

VHawk

When my wife was shopping for a pistol she wanted something that she could learn to operate with proficiency. She has plenty of experience at pulling the trigger on my 1911 45's at targets on a pistol range, but for protection there are too many things to go wrong with a single action pistol such as the 1911 in inexperienced hands.

Any maker can fit the bill but what she decided on was a Sig Sauer P-239 in .40 caliber because:
1. It is Double Action / Single Action
2. It has a manual safety
3. It has a decocker to make the pistol safe without the fear of an AD.
4. It fits her hand like a glove and she can easily shoot it with one hand or two
5. It has Trijicon Night Sights
6. It is bad-ass for a chick pistol

VHawk, I was leaning towards the fact that all hand guns/long guns are dangerous. For the LEO statement, we all know that the Glocks are light, and durable. They also function very well. But I believe the biggest reason besides cheaper prices from the manufacturer, is the idea the more cops that carry glocks the more spare magazines out there if a shoot out happens and multipule departments respond to the incident. (They can refuel each other easier.)
I do appreciate what you said about accidental discharges, and love the example of the farmer with the nail gun. Point well taken and I agree.
Rafterman--Very nice piece!
This show and tell wants me to post a picture of my giggle-gun. You have to giggle when you pick it up. Smith&Wesson 460S&W 3.5 barrel with comp. Performance center gun. Rowvrswade laughs when I call it the Giggle gun. Oh well!!! It barks and stings but it gets the message through.

that would be very nice to have. the 460. is an awesome round.

on the subject of safe handeling of hand Guns is this how it's supposed to be done?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqOeDW5wu_E&NR=1

Fishjager,

I think we can all agree on one thing....rafterman has a nice collection. I had no idea, even though we've fished together. Thanks for a good discussion. I don't think our viewpoints were that far off.

VHawk

Rafterman, the custom work on that last gun you posted is just sick.



My sister works in an ER. I've heard stories about nail guns. One of those stories may or may not have involved a guy with a nail through his johnson.

I found my next rifle.

http://blog.riflegear.com/archive/2007/1...s-cute-and.aspx