I carry at times. There was an incident a couple of years ago where a young cat jumped in the back of a pickup where a guy had put his fish the day before.

And beware putting a heater in under the bow area of a drifter. Today found a yellow jacket that was not happy with being disutrbed from its winter nap.

Yes, being from Los Angeles and growing up around cops the first thing I did after getting my WA driver's license was get my CPL. Seen too much stuff go down and to assume it won't happen to me is being stupid and unprepared.

If you are uncomfortable around guns or feel you would act irresponsible, then you probably shouldn't carry or own one.

If you are uncomfortable around guns or feel you would act irresponsible, then you probably shouldn't carry or own one.


I get that way around tequila

I have no issue with those who carry and act are responsibly. I choose not to. I have never been in any situation where cowardice and a willingness retreat wasn’t ample defense. But, I do think those who say they are "packing heat" are likely the ones who shouldn't be. Those who are "carrying a weapon” very likely are good to go in my book.

You got a CPL because...?????

a) You are from LA?
b) You like cops?
c) You dislike cops?
d) You are holding a chum in your avatar and posting on PP?



Paging Emmit Watson. Paging Emmit Watson. We got a live one for you.



Speaking of CA and CPL permits....

Set the WayBack dial to 1991 when the Huskies were going to the Rose Bowl. We were staying at a friends Dad's condo in Huntington Beach. Nice place. Any ways, one of the bars we visited was the Goat Hill Tavern. Their claim to fame was having over 100 beers on tap, and the floor was covered in 2-3" of peanut shells.

Anyways, a bunch of us Warshingtonians's all invade the place at the same time. First guy gets past the security guard and in the door with no problem.

I get to the guard and hand over my WA drivers license. Dude stares at it, and promptly tells me it is fake. His reasoning was that since the guy before me had one, and since I had one, it MUST be fake. (it wasn't fake and I was 21 at the time). He wasn't going to have anything to do with my reasonings and denied me access.

Quick on my toes, and knowing that CPL's are all but non-existent in CA, I whip out my WA CPL license, hand it over to him (had my finger prints on it, etc) and loudly proclaim:

"Do you know what this is? This is a license to carry a concealed weapon. Goddammit, if the Federal Government can trust me, SO CAN YOU!"

The dude at the door's jaw just dropped. He looked at that license. Looked at the finger prints on the license, flipped over and back a few times and as loud as he could humanly yell to everyone in the bar, said:

"HEY BOB! CHECK THIS SHIAT OUT. THIS GUY HAS A PERMIT TO CARRY A GUN!!!!"

Every head in that bar turned and a looked at me and my buddies. No one said a word, but the dude at the door smiled and PROUDLY let me in the door!

No free beers, but I don't think anyone flipped us any crap that night either.

Sorry yourself. You miss my point. "Warning" someone that you are armed = "threatening" someone that you are armed, and is illegal. It's called "brandishing" when you "unconceal" your "concealed" weapon.

If the dude's life was truly threatened, then he has the right to kill in self defence.

Yes, but at least it is respectfully and legally being held and photo'd while still in the water...

So how close would you have to let the guy threatening you with a fillet knife get before defending yourself? 20ft, 15ft, 10ft, 5ft?

Like I said, "I may have done the same thing"...

What was done could constitute a threat. No one "defended himself", otherwise someone would have been shot.

If I was there, and felt my life was in danger, and was "packing" legally, I probably would have killed the guy with the knife. If not, I may have "brandished" my weapon in a threatening way and scared him off. Perhaps he would have stabbed me.

Only a judge/jury can determine how close the guy with a knife would have to get to constitute a "threat to my life". Sufice to say, if the guy with the knife is dead he may have a hard time convincing said judge/jury that he was NOT threatening my life. I believe in WA the law is written such that dude's life wasn't being threatened if he could have walked away and didn't...

Enough said.

My father was a long-time trail attorney in this state. I've heard more whacked-out jury stories than I can shake a stick at. Not too sure why I'd shake a stick, though.

Trust me, the *last* thing you want is to be in front of a "jury of your peers" in this state.

Seriously.

Think about who really ends up on jury duty and makes it to a trial. Scary!

I only pack when I'm fishing in Africa.

On a lighter note, down here in California you can only kill someone with a gun if:

a) They broke in your door, raped your family and pets

b) You are driving on any freeway in Los Angeles

c) You can prove the cops mishandled the evidence and framed you - and you'll hire your own investigators to get the real killers

d) Sorry, c above only applies to knives and OJ

Happy trails, Mike

Oops sorry, there I go summarizing again but you forgot the rest of my post: "Seen too much stuff go down and to assume it won't happen to me is being stupid and unprepared." <---explaining my background and the reason why I got a CPL, it only makes sense considering where I used to live lol. When I moved to WA I was more than happy to finally be able to carry a gun for the reason of being prepared to protect myself or my family if/when the time occurs. The scenery might change, but criminals don't stop at the WA border.

As for the cop question, to clarify I was raised mostly in my teens around cops, so I have a different view about carrying: that it's great, it's good, and you should always be prepared.

Actually, I could care less about your issues with chums, here's a tissue...it's the only pic I have with a smile. Cool wit you?

Easy there, chief. Just having some fun.

I have issues with midgets. Not chums.

Hohbomb, I am not picking on you, at least did not mean to. If you are correct as to how the law reads, then I guess we need to change some laws in Wa State to reflect common sense. Interesting subject.

yeah i heard the same thing. as soon as your weapon is shown to the pubilc unless you are using it. even when its under a coat and your coat flaps open. if it is seen by someone and you are report as having a gun you 90% of the time will end up in jail if caught. even though you have a permit for it.

...that if in a public place. the same does not count when hunting, hiking, and fishing. sence you dont have to have a cwp to pack...you just cant conceal. unless you have a cwp.

Ya I pack heat, Hot hands hand warmers. That way when I throw my rod down and beat your azz my hands don't sting. LOL



Later.............

Unintentional display or "printing" is not against the law. Intent is the key.

Had a gun and knife pulled on me in two stuations.

A guy pulled a knife on me when I was a restaurant manager, so I drew down on him (I had my P85 and the cops asked why I didn't shoot the guy at a range of 5 feet.). No charges filed against me, long story though. Later learned about the 21 foot rule in the academy. Kept my gun that night, as responding officers were regulars, knew I was not a dildo.

Had a gun pointed at me and two other deputies, we all drew and he dropped it. I was halfway through my trigger pull. As LEO, just had to fill out a buttload of paperwork.

Inadvertantly displayed as I walked into a local grocery store (shirt tail caught on pistol). Local officer pointed it out, checked CPL, "have a good day".

If you are not level headed, carrying isn't for you.

I just pack too many rods and lures. I have never felt the need to carry my gun when I go fishing. I figure I should be able to avoid any situation that would lead me to need a gun. My best defense is to listen to my gut and get out of there before something dangerous has a chance to develop.