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#423219 - 03/19/08 01:17 PM Crock of Sh-t!
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Just saw an article where in Oregon they are firing wild fire crew formen because they do not speak spanish. The powers to be hired a large number of mexican fire fighters when the ranks were over-extended. Now they are going to lay off the existing crew leaders instead of requiring the new firefighters to learn english. This was America before the liberal do gooders took over.

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#423225 - 03/19/08 01:40 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: laterun]
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"liberal"? You think importing cheap labor comes from liberals huh?

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#423228 - 03/19/08 01:47 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: stlhead]
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 Originally Posted By: stlhead
"liberal"? You think importing cheap labor comes from liberals huh?


Spot on.
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#423231 - 03/19/08 02:05 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: Irie]
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Liberal,bleeding hearts,socialists, you can call them whatever you like. This country we knew a few short years ago is now gone. We are now supposed to give anyone who steps foot on our soil the same, no make that more rights than the native population. I don't mean just the indians. I am a native American. I was born in Montana. I hope you like the idea of your wages going down as prices rise due to this "cheap" labor. When the employers are required to give them benifits like medical and we no longer need translaters in the emergency rooms for the ones who go there with a cold,then it will be more level playing field.

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#423233 - 03/19/08 02:10 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: laterun]
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Laterun,

You seem to completely have missed stlhead's and Irie's point. Your two examples are perfect: 1) medical benefits not being given by an employer and 2) lack of health care which leads to situations where emergency rooms are in crisis. You think it is "liberals" causing the problems? Sounds like you need to turn the radio dial.

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#423237 - 03/19/08 02:19 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: Kaiser D.]
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I don't listen to talk radio as it is all slanted b.s.. I don't think that liberalism has a political party. There are probably just as many Republicans that feel we should help the immigrants (legal/illegal) as there are Democrats. Maybe liberal is the wrong word, but I think you should now see to whom I am referring.

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#423238 - 03/19/08 02:21 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: laterun]
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Maybe you mean capitalists trying to increase the bottom line for the benefit of their stock holders.
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#423240 - 03/19/08 02:31 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: Chuck E]
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I guess that is what should be expected as these are government jobs. It is way more important to be politically correct than to be just.

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#423241 - 03/19/08 02:33 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: Kaiser D.]
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More medical benefits from an employer would happen if they had tax breaks for them to make them more affordable. I own a small B and do give all my employees health care benef. Yet all I hear is how I should pay more in taxes and the 60mil people in america that pay nothing and get handouts are so hurting. 35% I guess is not enough of my income to pay.....should be %40 and then screw you rich guy, you get all the breaks. While we are at it lets give "universal" health care. It will only be another 5% raise in taxes over 40% on the "rich". 45% is not that bad. That way, every poor small company in America have to pay for all the lazy a$$es that dont do anythign for themselves.
And on the second point, if we shut the borders and had less people who have no ID, money, insurance, address.......ect, the emergency rooms would not be so crouded and you would get right in. Believe me, I have worked in them everywhere from San Fran to Boston. To try to say the answer is all about the "liberal ideals" is a joke. Any two year old could tell you that 5% of the population should not have to pay 45% of there income while 60mil pay nothing.
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#423242 - 03/19/08 02:33 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: laterun]
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do you have alink to the story?
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#423245 - 03/19/08 02:42 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: Chuck E]
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docspud, I hear you, before I retired I was giving about 42% back each week. I can understand the logic,I was in the craft unions and caught sh!t from people all the time like I was the reason thier wages were so low. I tried to explain that even though I did not agree with all the things unions did,if it weren't for the unions everyone would be working twelve hour days for $5. an hour.

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#423268 - 03/19/08 04:17 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: laterun]
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Talk radio is Ego Masturbation, whichever slant it caters to. They're just stroking the opinion center of your brain long enough to make you listen to their commercials and let you feel morally superior and correct.

The State of Arizona last summer passed a bill revoking the business licences of companies that employ illegals because illegal immigration was undercutting the wages and quality of life for Arizona Citizens and the local GOP hacks down there $hit a brick.

That right there in a nutshell sums up the GOP and their views on the working class, immigration, and corporations.
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#423277 - 03/19/08 05:41 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: Irie]
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 Originally Posted By: Irie
The State of Arizona last summer passed a bill revoking the business licences of companies that employ illegals because illegal immigration was undercutting the wages and quality of life for Arizona Citizens and the local GOP hacks down there $hit a brick.

That right there in a nutshell sums up the GOP and their views on the working class, immigration, and corporations.


Can you prove this or do you think all business owners republicans?

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/0301sanctions0301.html

From what I have read the bill passed pretty much unanmisouly (SP) with both democrat and republicans who voted no.. You should probably do a little more research..

I completely agree with Docspud, my parents own a small business and pay health care for there employees with very little benefit to them in the form of tax breaks. I personally don't want to pay for healthcare for anyone but myself, nor do I feel it necessary to help people who put themselves in bad situations from there own Piss Poor Life decisions.


Edited by willametteriveroutlaw (03/19/08 05:49 PM)
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#423297 - 03/19/08 07:51 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: willametteriveroutlaw]
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Employer paid health care is tax deductible. If you want your ins to be deductible then you have to provide it your employees otherwise pay your own way without a deduction. If you run a business in this state – you just have to want a better system considering health care is probably one of your major expenses if your Union health care is about 25%+ of wages, non-union 35%+. Our gov will be drained & ruined if we do not figure out how to better spend gov dollars on health care. WA is probably the worst state price wise.

But back to the thread, if I went to France to work – I would have to learn French – if I didn’t have to I would any way! Good grief Why wouldn’t I? It seems that the foreman are being discriminated against - especially since it is a firing not hiring requirement. So here is my gripe -the thing that really irks me BIG TIME is when I call customer service for an American Comp that sells in America to Americans & am given a person most often in India who I do not understand. If you are hiring someone to speak for your company shouldn’t you hire someone who speaks the language of your customers well enough to be understood and who can understand your customer? Is our minimum wage really so much to warrant this? How much does it cost to call India anyway? Less than minimum wage and an hour on the phone trying to understand eachother, less than mad customers? I guess not if everyone else is doing it. Wish there was at least an option push 1 for Mexico, 2 for….. maybe I could speak that language and at least get somewhere.

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#423299 - 03/19/08 07:54 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: blue water pro]
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We need the link to the story. No link=Internet rumor...

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#423301 - 03/19/08 08:01 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: VHawk.]
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the democrat platform is not to make English the official language of America. Hillary said we should all learn another language.

I HAD to call the IRS last week. "Hell-o, if you would like to continue in English press 1."

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#423312 - 03/19/08 09:07 PM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: chasbo]
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Well you know Chasbo we need to make it as easy as possible to collect the money due our country before they send it back home to their country.

If you watched the dem debates than you would know that both said English should be our main language to unify. Hillary said she wished she spoke another language Obama just smiled.

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#423363 - 03/20/08 05:36 AM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: blue water pro]
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I work in a union shop and our healthcare package is not "GIVEN" to us. We negociate a new contract every 3 years and the costs for healthcare come out of the total wage package.
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#423364 - 03/20/08 05:55 AM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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What is so bad about letting people shop for their own health insurance ?

Do people really think forcing employers to buy health insurance makes it "free" ?

Their are plenty of under achievers out there who don't have anything to lose, what exactly do they gain by having $500 per month worth of insurance when they don't even have $500 of net worth ?

Insurance company propaganda...

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#423365 - 03/20/08 05:57 AM Re: Crock of Sh-t! [Re: Oregonian]
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P.S. There are lots of laborer types out there that would rather have another dollar an hour than medical insurance...been prooved.

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