In another thread we had a lot of fun discussing the election. It was so obvious that we a still set to do the same thing over and over and getting the same results. I feel this guy comes closest to realizing and explaining the disfunction than most. It's worth checking out. Not asking anyone to accept his views, but is a good history lesson that many can relate to. BTW, I'm all for higher education and spiritual growth.

http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip

Our commander in chief must appreciate all races who die for our country or serve our country.

Chances are, even Obama would have been intimidated by the agressive panhandler. The incident that Obama uses to describe racism isn't racism at all. We typical white people with common sense use other terms, we call it survival or self preservation.

If you are alone and a large (his description) person of ANY race, including your own, approaches you while at a bus stop and is aggressively asking for money, it's going to scare the average woman and many men.

A lot of crimes are started in just the manner Obama's grandmother found herself in. Only an idiot would see it as racist.

Are ducks racist?

Ok, so I got into a coffee break discussion at work the other day.
The topic was race, integration and inter-racial marriage.
Dicey topic eh?
One woman says that she admits that she is more likely to be comfortable in a setting with people of her own race than say a congregation of black people.
I can see the other openly liberal woman shaking her head in disagreement..
I say "thank you for having the courage to speak your mind."

Anyway, I (Mr. politically incorrect) finally chime in.
I blurd out that I believe that is natures way and that man thinks that because of his mental superiority, can override the genetic programing instilled in us by mother nature.
Is there not a programing device in our DNA that is there to protect sub specie diversity?
Look at waterfowl.
You have a migration where thousands of birds come together.
All of them are ducks.
Within the flock, you have mallards, pintails, gadwalls, widgeons, canvasbacks, bluebills etc...
They will all migrate together, but upon touchdown, will separate into smaller groups of birds of their own subspecies (not 100%, but close).
Very rarely will they ever interbreed.
Is this racism?
No, it is an internally programed behavior designed to keep the purity and survival of the subspecies intact.
Overly domesticated ducks interbreed at will creating all sorts of intermingled characteristics.
Is it our advanced mental capacity the tries to be inclusive of all races and avoid the social taboos of being labeled a racist (which BTW is the most socially abhorrent label of all by today's standards) Or is it a genetically programmed racial integrity device deep within our DNA that our highly developed thought capabilities are trying to override due to social pressures?

As far as the blight suffered by minorities in this country?
Very similar situation I believe.

We have been conditioned by society to be colorblind.

You are an outcast for thinking differently.

I believe that despite our present culture and the horrendous social implications of being labeled a racist, there is a tribal mentality that was programed into our DNA eons ago that as a society we are trying to overcome.
If I as a white person were to move to the Australian outback and try to fit in with an Aboriginal tribe , do you think I would be given equal opportunities and all the same rights as a native born son?
Should I then cry bloody murder that the the majority did not fully accept me and give me full opportunity?
If I were to go the the Masai tribe in Tanzania, and try to fit in as a tribesman or the polar north and try to intermingle with the native peoples, do you believe that I would be given true acceptance?
Very unlikely.
Like it or nor the white skinned devil is the majority in this nation.
For eternity minorities will struggle with that fact and the deep rooted self preservation mechanism that I believe is present in every human being will be an obstacle they will have to fight to overcome.
I believe there is some truth in Mr. Wise's speech, however that truth, much like any other personal belief is intermingled with his own social and political standards.
Myself, I give what I get.
Everyone starts out on an equal playing field, white, mexican, black, asian whatever, your actions and behavior dictate the human being that I label.
Just my thoughts on the race subject.
Sal

That's mighty white of ya.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dcr8dm9Prkk&feature=related

IF A CANDIDATE IS KNOWN BY THE PASTOR THEY KEEP


When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the
Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court
earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and
nothing but the truth. But as the former Clinton pastor
was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for
inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home
last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick
sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

Okay, so now that Bill and Hillary Clinton's pastor has
been convicted of child molestation, will we see the
same furor directed at Hillary that Obama has had to
endure these last few weeks?

Here the CLINTON'S Pastor is convicted of child
molestation.

So, if Obama bears the guilt for his pastor's comments,
then Hillary has to be equally tainted by this guy's
crimes,


Subject: The TRUTH about Jeremiah Wright 911 comments


'...we bombed Nagasaki, we bombed Hiroshima...' It should be noted that the comments by Jeremiah Wright on 911 that have been replayed thousands of times through the news media and millions over the Internet, '...we bombed Hiroshima we bombed Nagasaki...the chickens have come home to roast' is actually a quotation.

The original remark was made by Edward Peck,
a Caucasian former US ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of Ronald Reagan's terrorism task force. His remarks which were made on FOX News are as follows:

'We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo.

Terrorism. 'We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear.

Terrorism'.We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel .'We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

'We bombed Qaddafi's home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children's head against the rock.

'We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they'd never get back home.

'We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. 'Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

'We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.

'Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that. 'The media has cherry picked sound bites from a sermon that are quotations of respectable white US diplomat with 32 years of foreign service in order to demonize the Reverend Wright and damage Barack Obama in the general election.

In the link below is a video clip from the 911 sermon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

After watching this video, in contrast to the clips being played, you truly understand the underhanded nature of the media. I'm truly amazed that no media network has reported the Obama's reverend's comments were not his own but a quotation. The job of the media is to report the TRUTH and after a full week not one these anchors/pundits/commentators on any network has even bothered to take the time to listen to the sermon they are indicting the man for. As far as I'm concerned they're all as bad as FOX. And every time I hear the question 'why didn't he leave the church?' I can't help but wonder why didn't the nearly 80 million professed Catholics in the US leave their Church when they found out their church leadership had been involved in cover up of hundreds of priests who admitted to molesting little boys for decades by simply moving offending priests to new parishes until enough complaints built then moving them on again and again. What I wanna know, is why is Obama the only person being asked these questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

Excellent points JLH. "The truth? The truth? You can't handle the truth."
You should write that to the editor of our local news papers.

JLH,
In regards to Rev. Wright you left out the one thing he said that makes me sick,“God damn America”. I really don’t care about Oh Dramas religion but his religious leader is an anti-American racist pig & makes me sick. You have no idea what his words do to me. No real American puts race or religion before America and definitely not a future President.

Since I am posting the anti-American racist pigs statement, I post a love of America song to make myself feel better for posting the pig.

the pig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5ixmT83JE

God Bless The USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZIApwWq1AU

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,225570.story


http://inspiredvoter.com/2008/03/21/bill-clinton-jeremiah-wright-photographed-together/

It is always Clintons fault. Guess people do not remember peace & prosperity. Heard a while back that Bill was elected as the first black president or maybe it was the black hall of fame, not sure. A black preacher said when he said something against Bill his entire congregation got up in arms wanted to take his head off, saying don't you say anything bad about Bill. Now they are trying to make him into a racist. Heard Bill say the other day, something to the fact they can try but they will never make me into a racist that is a stretch. I saw Obama on the today show, they asked about Bill being the first black pres or whatever it was, Obama said, I don't know I would have to see him dance.

People who follow Obama want a Revolution. We do NOT want a revolution in America, we do NOT want our streets to run with blood. Your great uniter is a divider of races. Your man of change could not help the people who live a mile from his mansion. They continue to be some of the poorest & most crime ridden people. Will he get a magic wand upon being pres? Even if he did he would not use it to help you.

Get the lyrics to Revolution by the Beatles & replace Mao with Ayres, Wright & Farrakahn. If you are against prejudice, racism whatever it is called then you are against it no matter whose mouth it is coming out of.

Truth is his follower might want a revolution but he just wants to make civil right speeches without the brains or golden heart or purpose of MLK. Born too late.

Who is Jack Schitt?


Many people are at a loss for a response when someone says, “You don’t know
Jack Schitt”. Soon you will be able to handle this situation.

The lineage revealed….

Jack is the only son of Awe Schitt and O. Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer
magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Knee-Deep Schitt, Inc.

In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt and the deeply religious couple produced
six children: Holie, the twins Deep and Dip, Fulla, Giva and Bull Schitt.

Against his parents’ strong objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a
high school dropout.

After being married for 15 years, Jack and Noe divorced. Noe Schitt married Mr.
Scherlock and because her kids were living with them, she decided to keep her
previous name. She became known as Noe Schitt-Scherlock.

Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt and they produced a cowardly son—Chick (Chick
N. Schitt).

Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt were inseparable throughout childhood and
consequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony.

The Schitt-Happens children are Dawg, Byrd and Horse Schitt.

Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently
returned with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt.

Now when someone says that you don’t know Jack Schitt, you can correct them
and ask if they are related to any of the above.

God Bless America
Yeah I was happy to hear the Pope say, "God Bless America" he isn't even American but he blessed us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL_K8G6jdHA

Sal,
I would like to present an argument that humans are smarter than ducks but you must know that. What you say is common in the promotion of racism handed down generation after generation.

I have a yellow lab who mates with my black lab. Black cats mate with white cats, striped with spotted. I thought animals were color blind, maybe not.

Your idea about the outsider is right IMO, there is a group mentality, gang, pack, whatever. Like that teenage girl who was beaten by several other teenagers to post on youtube, she was TKO & they kept beating her. Some people do not have that sadistic nature for whatever reason, maybe they were brought up not to kick someone when they are down. You have touched on it for sure though the pack mentality thing.

Someone once said that if God made us all alike in the morning by noon we would find some reason to be prejudice.

[quote=blue water pro]Sal,
I would like to present an argument that humans are smarter than ducks but you must know that. What you say is common in the promotion of racism handed down generation after generation.

I have a yellow lab who mates with my black lab. Black cats mate with white cats, striped with spotted. I thought animals were color blind, maybe not."

I engage in this topic not to expound racist beliefs, but to open dialog and step back and question what is put forth as fact carved in stone by many.

I believe no race to be superior to another, only more specifically designed to each one's particular native habitat.

Domestic animals in my opinion have had their inate natural survival mechanisms blurred by centuries of cross breeding and genitic manipulation.
What my point is , is are we as a human society trying to out think the natural programing of our biological instincts?
Are the negative social connotations
connected with terms such as "racist" and "bigot" actually a man made way of bypassing what is programmed into the depths of our DNA?
I have no schooling on this matter, but have wondered to myself these questions.
I catch "Hell" from fundamentalist types for my athiestic beliefs.
As I believe we are highly developed animals and NOT special creatures that are decendants of God.

I question why deer, waterfowl, African antelope, assorted birds etc... seek to be with their own subspecies for interaction and reproduction (not 100% but close) while in the the modern politically correct human society we have come to a point where we believe that we are all exactly the same with only the tone of our skin being different.
Not often I have ever openly discussed this and certainly don't want to turn it into something ugly as I said earlier I'm no racist or seperatist, only a person wonering aloud.

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/narrative/section2.rhtml

Douglass knows only that his father is a white man, though many people say that his master is his father. He explains that slaveholders often impregnate their female slaves. A law ensures that mixed‑race children become slaves like their mothers. Thus slaveholders actually profit from this practice of rape, as it increases the number of slaves they own. Douglass explains that such mixed‑race slaves have a worse lot than other slaves, as the slaveholder’s wife, insulted by their existence, ensures that they either suffer constantly or are sold off. Douglass considers that the existence of such a large population of mixed-race slaves contradicts arguments that justify American slavery through the supposed inferiority of the African race.
Douglass’s first master is Captain Anthony. The Captain’s overseer, Mr. Plummer, is a drunk and a cruel man who carries a whip and cudgel with him and often uses them on slaves. The Captain himself is cruel as well. Douglass recalls the Captain frequently whipping Douglass’s Aunt Hester. Douglass recalls feeling like both a witness to and a participant in the abuse the first time he ever saw it. He remembers this moment as his introduction into the hellish world of slavery. Douglass cannot, even now, describe what he felt while watching Aunt Hester’s whipping.
Douglass recalls a particularly violent episode of the Captain whipping Aunt Hester. The Captain calls for Hester at night and finds that she has gone out with a slave named Ned, against the Captain’s orders. Douglass implies that the Captain has a particular sexual interest in Hester, who is quite beautiful. The Captain brings Hester home, strips her to the waist, ties her, and whips her until her blood drips on the floor. Young Douglass is so terrified by the scene that he hides in a closet, hoping he will not be whipped next.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/true/primer.html

Nonspecific DNA Results Link "Some" Jefferson.
Dr. Foster found that there was a match between the male descendants of Uncle Field Jefferson and those of Sally Heming's youngest son, Eston Hemings. However there was no match between the male descendants of Tom Woodson, Sally Hemings' first-born son. The nephews' heirs also did not match any of the others, and neither did the neighbors' descendants. Dr. Foster concluded that "the simplest and most probable explanation for our molecular findings are that Thomas Jefferson, rather than one of the Carr brothers, was the father of Eston Hemings Jefferson, and that Thomas Woodson was not Thomas Jefferson's son."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrYlNNy929Y&feature=related

JLH,
I recall the first day of a history course I took in college; the first thing the professor said was history is a bunch of lies, so I will lie to you for months. What is written is what most of have to rely on, I do have ancestor stories that were handed down thru the generations. I used to listen to my great grandma talk, she was captivating when she talked about the past.

Another youtube for you, a little info on our founding fathers views on slavery.
Founding Fathers on Slavery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2jM7ccgj6c

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Sal,
I do not think people of other races are a different species or subspecies. I do not see love & hate as a DNA matter. In choosing a mate I assume love. In interacting with others there is often love. I see racism and prejudice as hate, it has hurt & harmed many people physically & it hurts the spirit, meaning down to the fundamental self. Your gang theory is closer to how I view it, when the majority picks on the minority. I do not see being against it as political correctness to me it is about treating human beings as human beings, nothing more and definitely nothing less. People fall in love with their hearts and I don’t think anyone can help who they love. Is it better to avoid other races or built into our DNA? To me no, IMO if it does have a DNA basis than the avoidance is fear. I have to get up at 5 & checked this site too late, gotta go to bed.

Your statement is absolutely correct! We are the products of our own experience. That experience is limited to the quality of the information going into our personal knowledge base. We defend this information as the absolute truth in our daily lives. We will sacrifice our lives, based on information that may be false, because we are in denial, and also for the purpose of protecting our ego. An ego, that's likely wrapped in a blanket of lies. Thoses blankets can represent, Religion, Flag, Race, Sex, and a endless number of other subjects. Each one laced with insufficient data, or data not proper assimilated , resulting in dysfunction. After all, much of the contents in our perceived truth's account, could in actuality be big fat lies. Our ego can cause us to cast a blind eye, to our own inhumanity towards others, as well as ourselves, when our accounts fall short on real truth's, knowledge or experience. This result's in errors and delussions, that are a direct result of insufficient, or faulty and tainted data in our account. Once our data bank is corrupted, we are prone to mistakes ( some severe), when we are required to make qualified decisions, that are logical, rational, moral, or in the best interest of ourselves as well as all humanity.

We need to delete the false data in our mental data bank, and be willing to upload better, more reliable data when appropriate. That's called being teachable, and open to spiritual and moral growth. Both are human qualities that are revered by moral people around the world. We do this (delete bad data), so that bad data doesn't skew the whole works, and cause dysfunction when we do a search of our data base looking for the right programs, or guidance and direction. Ultimately, it's the responsibility of the individual, to download and monitor their own data bank, in order to function properly when interacting with others in a civilized and humane society.

Playing follow the leader, if that leaders data base is loaded with viruses, is a poor choice if it results in harm or permanent damage, to our own data bank. In that situation (leader's virus affecting entire network), the only virus protection available, is the protection of a healing heart that's regularly upgraded with spirituality, and having a healthy respect for all of God's creation.



I'm in agreement with all you say. Kudo's for looking inside for a truth, that most civilized people recognize as human, appropriate and non toxic. You don't measure the human spirit with a DNA test.

JLH
Your right we all have our buttons LOL - guess mine is America. I know I would never carry that to the sadistic though cause I know myself and also I would not want to dishonor my country.

I do love America, feel lucky to be an American. I could list reasons but simply said our country is a land of liberty.

So how about some Ray Charles, he sings it the best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghz4_kikLkE

{Quote}: "Playing follow the leader, if that leaders data base is loaded with viruses, is a poor choice if it results in harm or permanently damage, to our own data bank. In that situation (leader's virus affecting entire network), the only virus protection available, is the protection of a healing heart that's regularly upgraded with spirituality, and having a healthy respect for all of God's creation. " {End Quote}

Could not then organized religion be considered "playing follow the leader"?
I consider religion to be hope.
People who live ther life in harsh conditions lean on religion more as a hope for their future and hope that the next life will be better than the meager one they are experiencing, creating a fearless pathway into the next world in their minds.
Wouldn't this explain the radical muslim's eagerness to leave this world and move on to the paradise awaiting them?
I believe religion to be a good thing for some that use it to expand love and compassion toward others and not so good for those that use it as a wedge to divide those with other beliefs.

My paradise is right here right now.

I step foot in Heaven from time to time and am satisfied to live with the consequences of an eternity of emptiness upon my passing knowing I have enjoyed and consumed beauty beyond description and a full and satisfying life.

Don't get me wrong, I am reverent in my spirituality, however it is a personal spituality based on my absolute love of Mother Nature.
I believe there was nothing but a void before my birth and will be nothing after I die.
I will simply cease to exist except for the memories instilled in my friends, family and aquaintances with my ashes simply returning to nutrients in mother nature's cycle.

Acording to some I'm doomed to burn in the fires of Hell for breaking out of the lockstep of organized religion.
Don't believe in heaven or hell, I believe you make those places for yourself here on Earth in your short stay.

Man's mind is an incredible thing, what other creature contemplates his existence?
Unfortunatley it is that overly developed brain that may doom himself and the rest of the wonderful creatures that we share this planet with.
Hope I'm nutrients well before that day.

Sal,
Ahhh and then there is religion, if you are the right race to fit the group then the next test is do you believe the same, share the same beliefs. In fact, religion can be more important to some than race & so very discriminating. There are religious fanatics & those who use it as a means to control other people, or hurt others, in those circumstances it is a horrible thing.

When I meet people with other beliefs it reminds me how great America is, a country where you are free to believe however or whatever you want. I think that forced religion is terrible as is the suppression of religion. America has made mistakes in race & in religion and there is still a lot of discrimination in both regards. We are a melting pot of people, all types of cultures, races, beliefs, and since we are a government of the people by the people, I believe our brotherhood will eventually win, just wish it was sooner than later but we are making progress.

I believe in God but I also know what you are saying about Nature, I have felt it to. Some people find solace & peace in God, others find it in nature, it is the same beauty. IMO it is an excellent way to live life, with appreciation & gratitude for being alive, religions could learn something from that. You said that you know your body will remain & be added basically to the circle of life, but to me there is something more to people than their bodies, something more to everything, like the sky in your pic, to me it wants to sing, just my humble opnion on the great mystery of life.

Perhaps a Wildabeast being chased down by a hungry lion? Why would the fuc%er run, otherwise.

Life is bliss no matter who or where you live! A view of paradise from another perspective.

http://www.aistigave.hit.bg/Logistics/

JLH,
WOW, one of your bliss pics is a depiction of a reoccurring nightmare I have, but whatever floats your boat!

Nice bwp!

My own personal choice for finding bliss is when the lady and I are practicing Kriya Tantra Yoga techniques together. Tantra Yoga allows us, (guy's especially) to prolong (your choice) "bliss," and our partners dig it even more. Get my drift?

Too much personal information.

I thought I was on your ignore list.

Besides I was addressing bwp, as he had addressed me, that is if it's OK with you. Thank you!

Before he edited his post, there was a video of a beautiful lady singing and dancing that he pointed out to ME (JLH) as being blissful. It reminded me of Tantra and I responded with "nice." You need to keep up if you want to talk man talk with men.

Try sending him a private message then, instead of telling the world via internet how you want to talk man to man with him about sex. Especially since it appears you need some sort of "assistance" with getting it up.

It seems that you are way more proficient at talking man talk (XXX) to the World on a regular basis via this site and the Internet than most here. Why was it not required of bwp to do the same in the message he addressed to me, that he later deleted of the beautiful dancing and sexy white lady (as he put it) that he thought was bliss for him?

Never mind! All you choose to do is target me, that is after a couple of weeks ago, telling members and the World that I was on your Ignore list. When you clicked on the thread you knew it was one of my posts that you were clicking onto, yet you still clicked on it and then decide to play this holier than thy bullsh!t. Man you are really showing just how miserable you are by practicing and acting out the ugly ole troll behavior.

You have been way more graphic and descriptive in conversations on this board about all things manly, and you seem to be attracted to any thread with a potential XXX rating posted by men, while inviting others (WWW) with an offer of cookies to come join in the fun. But,...... when I mention to another member Tantra Yoga, you pretend to be highly offended. To be more specific, Bliss is often associated with this form of Yoga. Not sure why anyone would be offended at prolonging bliss, unless that person doesn't want to be reminded that they are incapable of experiencing bliss. If that's your case then I am sorry for bwp's and I sharing our thoughts on bliss. BTW, it is not my intention to offend any disabled or retarded person.

If you are so concerned that X rated material not be discussed in this forum, then why don't you address it to yourself first, and then to the rest of the board. I wouldn't be surprised if 5000 of the 10,000 posts that you have made to this forum was an (XXX). Now you are telling me that it offends you and is undesirable.

Again, you place both of your feet in a big pile of ugly__, but then again what else should I expect from you but ugly and nasty when it comes to addressing me.

You probably wont be reading this because of your pledge to not respond and to ignore my posts,... however, I think your reading it would help you to realize that what's going on between your ears and between another location (I wont mention) is the need for a major 10,000 posts tune-up. May I suggest Kriya Tantra Yoga?

A rant and personal attack.

Typical, pathetic and classless, but that's what I've come to expect from you.

You read it! WOW! I am soooooo surprised. However I see that you are still stuck on stupid.

Here's another one for you to ignore. Not!

Hold on there JLH, you are putting words into my mouth.

I posted a woman dancing hula which is no more sexual to me than a woman singing Ava Maria in church!

I mentioned she was white keeping with the beginning of the thread where Obama was calling white people typical, because she dances the hula with such great spirit, a hula she modified, it was not typical. I was being sarcastic, I did not presented well it well at all.

The song is love of home, one of my favorite songs. It was in English so I thought it would be understood but I forgot that on the mainland hula is probably not understood.

I feel like I insulted the woman & her dance & the love of land & it makes me upset. It was not meant the way you took it, not at all, which is why I immediately removed it when I saw your comment. You were going a different direction with it, and it is my fault for not explaining better.

I wish this thread would go away.

Me too.

You attached bliss to it and that is what I responded to. Your idea of bliss and my idea of bliss is obviously different. You directed to me as an example of bliss, and I responded with the comment "nice." I wasn't critical at all of what you defined as bliss. If you hadn't spoken directly at me of your idea of what represented a proper example, I wouldn't have offered what I thought was a more appropriate personal definition for me in a reply, as well as sharing a resource for methods I find useful in garnering more bliss in my life and my relationship with my significant other. I wasn't trying to be hostile, and I didn't see a reason for you to delete your own personal choice. Hula and Tantra are similar. They both are calming, sensual and relaxing, all of which are useful in meditation. Tantra and meditation go hand in had. Meditation is not pornography? Where did that come from anyway? Read a book or something( before assuming), if you are not familiar with a subject, and therefore it must be evil and wrong.

Maybe everyone's definition of bliss is different, and that's OK.... But, don't jump on me if mine is not the same as yours. No where have I ever posted a pic of naked women or man in this forum. In fact some feel that they are doing Aunty a favor by posting naked men in this forum, and then calling her to come see. Which BTW, she usually does. The reason for my stand alone commit directed to you, was that after I posted my comment, you removed yours leaving mine to stand alone.

It was Aunty fanning flames that were not necessary in the first place. I don't see how my comments were anymore X rated than other posts made in this forum including Aunty's.

Remember, see told everyone that she had me marked as ignore? So why this and for what? I'm to much into ponography to suit her or something? Tantra Yoga is not ponograhic, it about meditation. You don't purchase it in the Red Light District.

Again bwp, no where in my post did I attack you. It was Aunty attacking me.

I bet that the clip you posted and deleted would have made a difference and by no means negative. Tantra Yoga benefits all systems of the body (both physical as well as emotional).
I don't consider sex dirty or something that shouldn't be spoken in connection to Bliss. Bliss suggest enjoyment and I also enjoy sex as well. I don't have record of posting sexually explicit material in the forum. Tantra..look it up and you will understand where i'm coming from.

I said "too much personal information". There is something seriously wrong with anyone who considers that a personal attack. And for you to go on a multi paragraph rant shows...

You need some fricken mental health help.

Why didn't you mind your own business in the first place. Besides I was addressing bwp, as he had addressed me, that is if it's OK with you. Thank you! Why do I have to answer to you before I post or after I post? Your above reply is way more pornographic than any of the Tantra referenced stuff was.

Again, you probably wont read this because as you have stated I'm on your ignore list. But just in case, read your above statements in combination with your trying to disapline me for posting to a thread and realize who initiate an attack. Again, I recommend Tantra for helping you with your problem of excessive cyber masturbating, using men in a forum on the internet. We may need to get a room in this forum, for you to take your invitee into and you can keep your nasty mess contained. Just some advise for a lonely frustrated, dysfunctional "woman."