Well, let's take the true June Hogs that spawned in the middle to upper reaches for an example. They went extinct 5 years after a dam (just pick one) was built without any possibility of fish passage. The returning adults spent 5 years banging their heads against cement....and then they were gone. Their genetics will never be replaced.

Ike

So here's the deal... I'm getting tired of releasing mis-clipped hatchery fish.

How many runs of true Native salmon are there left in the Columbia River??

Keith

haha your funny dude

After the Dam...
All ten native Elwha River anadromous fish runs have been severely diminished and the ecosystem disrupted.

Since 1911, Elwha and Glines Canyon dams have blocked anadromous fish passage to more than 70 miles of the Elwha River and its tributaries, most within Olympic National Park. This has limited anadromous salmon and trout production to the 4.9 miles of the river below Elwha Dam, which in turn reduces nutrients for aquatic and riparian habitats.

All ten native Elwha River anadromous fish runs have been severely diminished and the ecosystem disrupted. At least one Elwha River salmon stock, the sockeye, may now be extinct while two stocks, the pink and spring chinook, may only be present in small numbers.

Sorry for the hijack. But here's a bit more.
http://www.nps.gov/archive/olym/issues/isselwha2.htm

Historically, the Elway was known for a run of large chinook.

The elwha is another example where a dam wiped out a true native chinook run. They will also never be seen from again.

is that what you call it when he scrambles out of the pocket?

The elwha is another example where a dam wiped out a true native chinook run. They will also never be seen from again.

It is esa listed and the numbers are crappy that return every year. If that dam remaines they will sooner or later be extinct.

you know why you don't know anything? because you probably haven't earned the respect of the guys who know what's going on out there

I've seen some bigass carcas' on the elwah, definitely not all gone.

That's almost funny. Respect is earned, not given.

Again, do you know something about that run that we don't?


Ya, that sounds like a real postive endorsement for what was a magnificent run of fish.

Team tgl and friend... Is this statement not correct? Or even close to correct? You can nit pick a word here or there to try to discredit someone but isn't the statement damn (pun inteded) close to reality?

We're just nit picking now but I didn't say they were extinct. I know every year some return but find themselves butting heads with an immovable object. It just show the resilience of these fish. It shows how strong genetics are and if they were given half a chance (which I hope we give them before they are extinct) then maybe they could rebound.

Are you saying it's a healthy run?

And if you want to question my credibility you can. I've been around the block a few more times than most. I don't sit here and cut people down as my main form of online entertainment. Nor do I post about my exploits. Or my experience in the field. I'm not here to gain your endorsement as "qualified to have an (informed) opinion."

they don't seem to be around these days

And no, I never said that it was a healthy run, the original statement was that they were completely gone. The run is obviously not healthy but it is definately not extinct...Later


Jake

funny i have wondered that about you a few times, are you an elwha expert or something?

"they don't seem to be around"....maybe you don't know where to look for them, or when to look for them....i'm pretty sure it's hard to see a fish in the elwha from seattle, i don't wanna say anymore because it is closed for fishing and you could be one of those guys trying to snag them