So here's the deal... I'm getting tired of releasing mis-clipped hatchery fish.

How many runs of true Native salmon are there left in the Columbia River??

Keith

True native Stock? It would be nice to be able to DNA test some of these rivers for true stock. I think you would find a mix of everything.

We need to replace the word Wild with the word native and then put those fish on the ESA List.

Well, let's take the true June Hogs that spawned in the middle to upper reaches for an example. They went extinct 5 years after a dam (just pick one) was built without any possibility of fish passage. The returning adults spent 5 years banging their heads against cement....and then they were gone. Their genetics will never be replaced.

Ike

Which is exactly why we get an 8 day season this year and we can kill either clipped or non-clipped chinook. In other words there are no natives in that strain of fish??

Keith

Wild fish? Yes. Native? Nope. How could there be with the scenario I just described? The Natives were wiped out 40-50 years ago.

Ike

Excelent question. kiss is exactly right. I was golfing a couple of years ago and I got paired up with a fisheries biologist. He told me that on some systems the native stock was wiped out a long time ago because there were dams on the riveres that allowed zero fish passage. He told me that the "native" fish on some rivers were produced in a hatchery.

And Keith, I'm talking about these kind of June Hogs, like this 85 pounder caught in 1925. These genetics were wiped out after Grand Coulee was built.....



Ike

Gotta love those mis-clipped hatchery fish!!

Keith

The elwha is another example where a dam wiped out a true native chinook run. They will also never be seen from again.

BS dude...tell me how you know anything about the elwha

Same with june hogs elwha fish were seen by tribal elders dying at the base of a dam less than 5 miles from saltwater. We will never again see the large fish that the elwha was known for flourish with that dam.

haha your funny dude

How about Mossyrock Dam on the Cowlitz? Still has no fish passage.

Oh wait a minute TPU trucks all the wild fish into the upper basin. But are they true genetic native stock or just hatchery mis-clips.
Now they are doing a genetic study to see if there are any true native stock steelhead left int he lower Cowlitz.

When they can't find any then maybe we can have our winter fishery back that we had in the '80s as well as our summer fishery.

Dude, just wondering which hole you're talking out of? Are those wild chinook jumping the damn and spawning upstream somewhere and only you know about it?

Just wondering? You seem to want to discredit people without really saying anything other than "dude." Historically, the Elway was known for a run of large chinook. But dude, they don't seem to be around these days. Maybe I'm missing something. If so, can you enlighten me to what really happened?

After the Dam...
All ten native Elwha River anadromous fish runs have been severely diminished and the ecosystem disrupted.

Since 1911, Elwha and Glines Canyon dams have blocked anadromous fish passage to more than 70 miles of the Elwha River and its tributaries, most within Olympic National Park. This has limited anadromous salmon and trout production to the 4.9 miles of the river below Elwha Dam, which in turn reduces nutrients for aquatic and riparian habitats.

All ten native Elwha River anadromous fish runs have been severely diminished and the ecosystem disrupted. At least one Elwha River salmon stock, the sockeye, may now be extinct while two stocks, the pink and spring chinook, may only be present in small numbers.

Sorry for the hijack. But here's a bit more.
http://www.nps.gov/archive/olym/issues/isselwha2.htm

wntrrn, maybe you should ask JoJo where he's getting his information, before you try and discredit Mark. I mean, has he gone and looked in the Elwah with his own two eyes to see if there's any big Kings left? Have you? I know Mark has...Later


Jake

funny i have wondered that about you a few times, are you an elwha expert or something?

"they don't seem to be around"....maybe you don't know where to look for them, or when to look for them....i'm pretty sure it's hard to see a fish in the elwha from seattle, i don't wanna say anymore because it is closed for fishing and you could be one of those guys trying to snag them

Just an FYI but diminished isn't the same as extinct...Later


Jake

is that what you call it when he scrambles out of the pocket?

I've seen some bigass carcas' on the elwah, definitely not all gone.