#430922 - 04/26/08 10:03 PM
i don't understand
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The Rainman
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why some people think bush is such a great president. food prices are shooting up, fuel has tripled in price, some stores are rationing rice and flour, the dollar is at an all time low, the national debt is at an all time high. would someone please tell why he is believed to be so great.
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#430923 - 04/26/08 10:23 PM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: larryb]
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Registered: 10/12/01
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Ask John McCain!
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#430929 - 04/26/08 11:26 PM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: Sol Duc]
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Registered: 10/18/04
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Loc: Lynden
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Seems to me that a democrat controlled congress is to blame, but what do I know.
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#430946 - 04/27/08 08:15 AM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: fishhog]
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River Nutrients
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One only has to look as far as the political coverage by our renowned media. If the American people want to be so stupid as to let the media twist and turn the most important process in our democracy into a "reality show", then we're getting what we deserve.
Every time we have truly good candidates running for office, we chose the WORST examples from among them and send them to the Whitehouse. It's based on whoever the media decides to promote.
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#430955 - 04/27/08 09:38 AM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: Steelheadman]
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Registered: 08/23/06
Posts: 2054
Loc: Olympia
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It's all Clinton's fault if you listen to some...
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#430957 - 04/27/08 09:41 AM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: Steelheadman]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 01/13/07
Posts: 325
Loc: Pasco Bulldog country
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Because he is fighting the war on terror in Iraq.
And Afghanistan. No matter how phucked up it is. Because of Bush, we haven't been attacked here since 9-11. Mf
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#431172 - 04/27/08 10:40 PM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: AuntyM]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 11/26/06
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Loc: Olympia
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It's based on whoever the media decides to promote. And look who owns the media. http://www.ge.com/products_services/media_entertainment.htmlhttp://www.ge.com/products_services/oil_gas.htmlhttp://www.ge.com/products_services/security.htmlhttp://www.geaviation.com/engines/military/index.htmlDamn. GE's made a fortune off the Iraq war and the Homeland Security program. GENERAL ELECTRIC --(donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign)
Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
* NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
The "MS" in MSNBC
means microsoft
The same Microsoft that donated 2.4 million to get GW bush elected.
Other Holdings:
* GE Consumer Electronics.
* GE Power Systems: produces turbines for nuclear reactors and power plants.
* GE Plastics: produces military hardware and nuclear power equipment.
* GE Transportation Systems: runs diesel and electric trains.
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WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC.
Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
whos #1 on the Board of Directors? None other than:
Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group)
Television Holdings:
* CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports networks.
* Group W Satellite Communications.
Other Holdings:
* Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power industry.
* Westinghouse Government Environmental Services Company: disposes of nuclear and hazardous wastes. Also operates 4 government-owned nuclear power plants in the US.
* Energy Systems: provides nuclear power plant design and maintenance.
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VIACOM INTERNATIONAL INC.
Television Holdings:
* Paramount Television, Spelling Television, MTV, VH-1, Showtime, The Movie Channel, UPN (joint owner), Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Sundance Channel (joint owner), Flix.
* 20 major market US stations.
Media Holdings:
* Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Video, Blockbuster Video, Famous Players Theatres, Paramount Parks.
* Simon & Schuster Publishing.
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DISNEY / ABC / CAP (donated 640 thousand to GW's 2000 campaign)
Television Holdings:
* ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
* ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.
* ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!
* Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.
Media Holdings:
* Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
* Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
* 3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
* Hyperion book publishers.
* Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).
Other Holdings:
* Sid R. Bass (major shares) crude oil and gas.
* All Disney Theme Parks, Walt Disney Cruise Lines.
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TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner–the largest merger in corporate history.
Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA, Sub Pop (distribution) = the world’s largest music company.
* 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style, Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics (50%), and MAD Magazine.
Other Holdings:
* Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.
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NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) (donations see bottom note)
Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%).
* The Golf Channel (33%).
MEDIA HOLDINGS:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, The Wall Street Journal, the London Times, and The Australian.
* 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* HarperCollins books.
OTHER HOLDINGS:
* Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
* Ansett Australia airlines, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
* Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors, Philip Morris (USA).
*(Phillip Morris donated 2.9 million to George W Bush in 2000)*
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#431174 - 04/27/08 10:43 PM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: Magicfly]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 11/26/06
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Loc: Olympia
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Because he is fighting the war on terror in Iraq.
And Afghanistan. No matter how phucked up it is. Because of Bush, we haven't been attacked here since 9-11. Mf We weren't attacked here BEFORE 9-11 either.
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#431202 - 04/28/08 07:53 AM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: Irie]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 11/01/06
Posts: 312
Loc: Silverdale Wa
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Irie, Do you remember the Cole, the african emb bombings, the first world trade center, even somalia and more. We were attacked many times but did nothing about it. I am not a fan of the wars or how badly they were run but they have been hitting us for years and the only thing these people understand is force. You cant reason with people who blow up school buses full of children and markets full of women in the name of Alah. You cant reason with people who twist religion and use it for justification to kill. Send little children or mentally hadicap women strapped with bombs to crouded markets and blow them up by remote. They just understand nothing else and if the wars were never waged, they would still want o kill us and anyone else who does not think as they do. Bush has been an idiot but he has been tough and not hid under his desk at least.
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#431204 - 04/28/08 08:22 AM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: stlhead]
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Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 977
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stlhead, what specificly would you have had the U.S.A. do about these attacks, rather than what has been done ? What exactly would you do about the current economic situation ?
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#431220 - 04/28/08 10:15 AM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: Magicfly]
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Spawner
Registered: 01/31/02
Posts: 942
Loc: B'ham
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Because of Bush, we haven't been attacked here since 9-11.
Mf First, there is no way to prove that the president is the reason we are or are not attacked. To say otherwise is foolish. Second, we actually were "attacked" after 9/11. Don't you remember the anthrax scare where people were scared to get their mail? People always bring up the USS Cole. Obviously, it was a horrible incident but I always wondered why we feel we have the right to anchor up in places like Yemen. I'm not saying I'd drive my Zodiac into an Iranian war ship if it was anchored in Bellingham Bay but I sure as hell bet someone would give it a second thought. I think the same thing about Iraq. Even though I hate Bush, I'd happily take shots from my bedroom at foreign occupiers longing to give me "freedom". -Kaiser D.
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#431244 - 04/28/08 11:31 AM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: Kaiser D.]
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Registered: 11/01/06
Posts: 312
Loc: Silverdale Wa
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Stlhead,
How long do we wait to respond? Lets put our head in the sand and say an attack ever few years is OK. How bad would it ahve to get before you responded. Yearly, monthly, weekly. Yes the management was crap but to say that the emb, cole, trade center, somalia and all were not enough to have to "try" to do something about it is stupid. What would have been you tipping point.......30 dead in a day not enough, 300 obviously not, not even 3000 in one day. Then when? Wait for 30,000 maybe. The pacifist attitude did not work when Clinton was in office and it got worse and worse. the Bush policies have not been run well but hiding under the desk and waiting for the next shoe to drop is not an option.
Kaiser,
Most reasonable people would not blow themselves up if a Chinese or iranian ship was in harbor to refuel. As far as fighting if being overrun, that is different......I saw Red Dawn in the day as well adn would do the same. The anthrax was home grown and that seems to be well known. In a country this big there will be some nuts. Okla city for example, home grown....but that is different for a what happen in the Cole, emb, WTC adn all the others. To aquate them to make a point is either dishonest or not understanding the difference.
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#431249 - 04/28/08 11:44 AM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: docspud]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/06/01
Posts: 10120
Loc: Harstine Island
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People always bring up the USS Cole. Obviously, it was a horrible incident but I always wondered why we feel we have the right to anchor up in places like Yemen. The USS Cole was refueling in Yemen. We've had to maintain a Naval presence in the Persian Gulf since the Iran hostage crisis. Iran and Iraq have threatened and/or shot at all sorts of different shipping traffic and threatened to invade the smaller ME countries. Saddam in fact did so. If we don't patrol it and keep it safe, who will? Terror attacks on the smaller ME countries is a constant threat. They don't make it public, but we're there because they've ASKED for our presence. And judging by the responses to the gas price thread, I doubt anyone here wants to see an oil supply disruption in the ME.
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#431277 - 04/28/08 12:54 PM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: AuntyM]
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Registered: 01/31/02
Posts: 942
Loc: B'ham
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The USS Cole was refueling in Yemen.
We've had to maintain a Naval presence in the Persian Gulf since the Iran hostage crisis.
If we don't patrol it and keep it safe, who will? They don't make it public, but we're there because they've ASKED for our presence.
And judging by the responses to the gas price thread, I doubt anyone here wants to see an oil supply disruption in the ME.
So basically, that is an acceptance that we are willing to trade a certain amount of tax dollars and American lives for a "reliable" source of oil? Saying they "ASKED" for our help might be a little disingenuous. Generally, it is much closer to bribery. This isn't another "colilition of the willing" is it? Give us a billion and we are "willing" to help. Also, I'm not Clinton-family lover but to act like Bill Clinton did nothing regarding the thread and previous acts isn't true either. On another point, anyone saying that Afganistan was responsible for 9/11 should direct AT LEAST as much responsibility towards Saudi Arabia. They supply the people and money. Oh, but they are one of our allies.
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#431294 - 04/28/08 01:55 PM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: stlhead]
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Spawner
Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 977
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"What exactly would you do about the current economic situation ? "
Ironic...your question should be ...
I'm not sure if you think you changed the subject or what, but the question was asked, and is still awaiting an answer... You seem to think you are smarter than our leaders, I thought it would be an easy question for you...I didn't even ask if you thought you had a solution, I am just curious what your first move would be and why.
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#431314 - 04/28/08 02:38 PM
Re: i don't understand
[Re: Oregonian]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/06/01
Posts: 10120
Loc: Harstine Island
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So basically, that is an acceptance that we are willing to trade a certain amount of tax dollars and American lives for a "reliable" source of oil?
Yes. Enough studies have been done on the topic of the effects that another "oil emabrago" or other disruption in oil supplies would have on us and most of the world. All presidents, R or D, have kept up a continuing Naval presence in the Persian Gulf largely due to the consequences that would result if they didn't. The connection to the war in Iraq is probably along those same lines. Who can say? We were lied to, but it is entirely possible that Bush had few positive alternatives. Bush had plenty of alternatives when it came to conducting the war, and he made mostly poor choices that cost lives and money and for that, I condemn him. Further reading for those interested. http://www.iags.org/reports.htm
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