My parents couldn't afford law school.

Todd you are sounding a little "my way or the highway"....The jury is still out on CCA and I see no useful purpose to constantly find fault with a group that hasn't done anything but get organized and raise money so far. Even you might have to admit that a bunch of volunteer activists like yourself have achieved next to nothing you can honestly call a "win". Why not let the new kid on the block give it a go? One thing they are doing right in my opinion is hiring people instead of relying on volunteers. Who cares if the national folks did the hiring or not? Maybe they plan to spread the wealth and use this guy in a number of ways and in a number of venues?

One of the main problems with past fisheries crusades is that all the different groups are so narrowly focused and myopic that they tend to compete with each other in too many ways as to be totally ineffective.

No offense but so many of your opinions are facts..in your own mind. Open up a bit and try to understand where others are coming from. The discussion of CCA should not continually end up with personal insults.

What CCA really needs is a spokesman, instead of info coming from every which way. They need one person who has permission to speak on behalf of the orginization and keep everyone else from getting in these stupid discussions that end in Todd and AuntyM insulting each other every time.

Grizz1,

Todd may be a little zealous in his own right, but I had some of the same thoughts he expressed when I read the announcement. I'm not yet a CCA member, so I hope that is the only reason why I had no idea CCA had a vacancy announcement, or that any candidates were being interviewed. Reading of the hiring after the fact reminded me of fait accompli, leaving me wondering if CCA attempted to recruit and hire the best candidate through an open competitive process. If not, then I'm left speculating that it might have been nepotism or cronyism, which admittedly has been known to produce outstanding performers sometimes.

I do wish CCA the very best of success, and I hope the new guy is a key contributor to that success.

Sg

No problem with questioning things but when questioning is always done in an effort to discredit people stop listening.

I'm also not a CCA member but do follow the CCA threads. I appreciate that we can hear both sides of the argument. I know that many are growing weary of Todd's interjections but I actual find them useful. They tend to have far more substance than many of the "you have to join or you're ruining the world" posts coming from the other side.

I know that the threads can get a little too personal at times but the overall debate occurring overshadows that. Just a vote to let some of these CCA threads meander rather than trying to channelize them or shut them down. The actual fisheries issues that get discussed because of the CCA are important to all of us, whether or not CCAPNW wilts or blossoms.

I couldn't agree with more with the sentiment that CCA needs an official reresentive to be speaking for them on these types of boards. It would serve them well.

-Kaiser D.

Got Sand?

Where the sand is....thats what counts KK.

Well said, I could not agree more. I also follow the threads, trying to educate myself in the process.

The fact is that Todd has worked long and hard to help restore our wild salmonids. Few have done more than he for a longer time. He has proven his dedication. Still, CCA has a proven track record of improving fisheries and they seem to be well organized and well financed. I respect Todd and I belong to CCA. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

I suspect the commies love to see us keep fighting each other. If we could simply pull together on the issues upon which we agree and ignore the others we might have a chance. So far I see far too little of that.

As far as some CCA members putting out a message of join or all is lost, that's unfortunate. (Still any large organization will have some members that we don’t agree with. Do you agree with everything your candidate for Pres says? ) But you must admit that, to date, we have been losing the battle.

I see CCA as a hope, perhaps one day they will be more than that, but to bad mouth them for lack of accomplishments in the NW is simply silly. They have been here less than a year, are still very much in the development phase, and are still polling members to see what they want addressed first. If you want input - join. If you just want to continue complaining, ask yourself the Dr. Phil question. "How's that working for you so far?"

Well said Dave.

Well said.

Thank you Dave Vedder for a voice of reason in the wilderness.

DV, said it very nicely. Being from the east coast I have seen the changes. Not all people like change and most will tell you do as long as you don't change what they do or how they do it.While I disagree with the join or else attitude, the constant bashing is just as tiresome. Just because they are not lock stepped in place with everyones particular interests does not make them bad or good, they just are. It you agree with the bulk of what they have done and accomplished then their history speaks for themselves. I have long read posts about how bad hatchery fish are and that they should not be in our waters, but if they were not there then the tackle manufacturers would not be in business, so remember that the next time you spend your coin with any organization. If they are going to use their earnings to work against you then don't help pay their way........Shop with those that are trying to help YOU!

I hope that's not a bash on Rvrfshr... because that would be EXTREMELY F.UCKING WEAK.

Nice attempt at but it's obvious that's NOT what he was doing.

Oh?

What do YOU think he's saying?

...is there some other tackle company he could have been referring to?

Maybe ANY tackle company......there are more than one ya' know.
Silver Horde, Dicnite, Scotty, Yakima Bait.....ya' see where I'm goin' with this?