I grew up with Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan ( who was a POS) Bush, Clinton, and Bush Jr..

Is there any doubt that Bush Jr is the greatest P.O.S to run this county in the last 15 decades ??? Also want you to know that Reagan was just the same.... maybe worse..

$4.49/gallon for regular gas down the street from me, what do you think?

No. No doubts or arguments there.

+1

+1...with no reservations.

Even some of the dipshits of the past managed to do something good, and I think it's debatable whether or not Dubya has done anything good whatsoever.

Fish on...

Todd

He and Cheney have sure done well for themselfs and thier friends with thier oil stocks. The last 8 years have been a joke and it aint a very funny one either.-TBJ

I liked Ronnie. Why do you think the Iranians turned over the hostages the day he took office?

If we could have a democratic person in office who would do more than lob a few ineffective cruise missles at the bad guys once in a while, I might vote for one.

That said, GW is a putz.

GHW Bush was, and is, a man's man.

I cannot believe you would lump Reagan into that group. Just the fact he helped end the cold war has put him down in history as one of the greatest presidents of all time.

Because the RNC paid them to.

They were being released no matter what. The RNC paid them to wait until after the election. In essence they were held hostage longer because of Reagan.

Thought ya oughta know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise_conspiracy

Reagan was also a senile half-wit who couldn't make a decision to save his life. His handlers (Casey, Atwater, Regan, Bush & the gang) his wife, and an astrologist from Hollywood did all that for him.

Remember what happened to the price of airline tickets when Ronaldo de-regulated the airline industry?

F'n Republicans.

I also remember when he turned out the Mental Hospitals onto the streets, took away school lunches from children, and implemented Trickle-down Reaganomics.


"A major contributor to the budget deficit was the impact of the tax cuts during the first five years of Reagan’s presidency. He gave $750 billion in tax relief to individuals and corporations. Thirty-five percent of all the individual tax relief went to the top five percent income earners of the country. The average person making $15,000 a year ended up paying $100 more in federal taxes than before the first Reagan cuts went into effect; however, those with $200,000 in annual earnings received an additional $20,000 in tax relief.

While creating significant revenue reductions, Reagan also increased military spending by $123 billion in his first budget, and aggregate military total of $2.3 trillion in military spending for his first five years in office.

Reagan campaigned against the federal bureaucracy, vowing to reduce the size of the federal government. However, after Reagan's two terms, spending by the federal government was one-quarter higher, factoring out inflation, than when he got there; the federal civilian workforce had increased from 2.8 million to 3 million; and federal spending, as a share of Gross Domestic Product, had decreased by one percentage point to 21.2 percent."

He created 16 million jobs, unemployment dropped and inflation decreased.Deficit did get out of hand....

He gave military members the most substantial pay raise they'd ever received. Even so, we STILL qualified for food stamps. Not that we ever applied.

RR knew the average married military member was living quite a bit below the poverty level.

9998...

"RR knew the average married military member was living quite a bit below the poverty level."

...along with millions of new poor people after his eight years were up, not to mention the tens of thousands of metally ill people he dumped out into the streets.

Fish on...

Todd

I still like him.

Yeah, so do a lot of people.

Not a problem that G-Dubya has.

Fish on...

Todd

You are correct on that one.

ANYBODY can buy an oil stock.

look up Rockefeller- standard oil a true pos Now called EXXON

look up Al Gore- Occidental petroleum.

none of these guys want the price of oil up, it eventually means more drilling in places they dont want to drill.
They are already rich. Yet some people like it, if you will take the bus more often.

Gold is up, you dont care, but someone got rich on gold, wheat, natural gas, fertilizer, steel, etc.
You dont have to buy an oil stock or the USO oil index to get rich.


i have to admit Cramer might be right about oil.

China and India demand is up and is growing fast
The saudis had to turn up the pumps to get the same amount of oil from the previous year (running low)
They like the price.....
oil is more expensive to drill for in new deep water wells like Brazil

Never thought I'd miss Nixon!

No real effort was made to determine if the Reagan team negotiated with Iran for the delay or immediate release of the hostages before he was elected. The reason for that is that if it had been looked into and proven, it would have constituted TREASON! It is treason to represent yourself as the government when you hold no such authority - that's just the start of the problems with that whole mess.

Yes there was. Not only by Congress, but by the press/media.

Actually, Reaganomics is what set us up for a healthy, growing economy. Nixon and Carter are the ones who "created" the millions living in poverty with rampant inflation. It took time for Reaganomics to work, but it did.

The mentally ill should never have been locked up in the first place, unless they were criminals. They should have been given treatment in the community.

There is something seriously wrong with the liberal agenda when they think locking up sick people is good for us, but keeping criminals locked up is bad.

Might want to do a little more research on it, because most mental health professionals do NOT think locking people up is good for them, or their families.

And it should NOT be the job of the federal government to run internment camps for lazy communities who don't want to deal with their problem people.

And curiously, they found nothing - wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more. It must have been an urban legend that the Reagan team negotiated behind the scenes

PS I voted for Reagan in '84

If you would have put Ronnie on the stand and asked him about it back then, I'd wager he'd have "not recalled" that any more than the other time he didn't recall negotiating with Iran.

Fish on...

Todd

"end the cold war" no a little war in Afghanistan bled the soviets dry just like it's now doing to another stupid super power. Reagan's term also started the norm of using social security to cook the books. That class act also cut college funding, student loans and grants. Only the rich deserved an education.

He probably wouldn't recall planning to win the cold war either. He was a good man and attempting to change history and make him some sort of villain is PURE liberal bull schit Todd.

I guess we need a bash Carter thread.

"It took time for Reaganomics to work, but it did." are you kidding? Don't you remember employment drying up in 1989?

Yeah, I want to pay higher taxes to send your kids to college.

NOT. You might want a nanny goverment controling your life, but I don't.

Don't YOU remember inflation that caused it? I sure as hell do.

It's getting a little hot in here! I hope nobody mentions Iran-Contra....

Or Ollie North. Still can't stand that PH.

I also like Ollie North.

Hmmm, when comparing administrations and scandals, does Oliver North = Scooter Libby?

For all of you to say that RR was a bad president is laughable. He had nothing to do with the ending of the cold war huh? The USSR was trying so hard to keep up our military and its communist/socialist economy it couldn't keep up with free market. And then it bled itself dry through our covert actions in Afgan. Your freinds Carter and Clinton would have never allowed that to have happened because they would have been scared to death of bad press. They would rather hide under there desks calling for talks or playing pin the cigar on/in the intern. Sadly, niether will our next Dem nom.
RR attempted to role back your beloved social programs that reward the lazy and penalize the hard working. How dare he tell people to work for what they get and stop blaming others for their problems. He attempted to end the ridiculus tax code that tells most of the people to pay nothing and get handouts while others foot the bill. What happened to ask not what your country can do for you. The party seems to be fit more for those who ask how much their country can give them for free.
Lets go back to the Carter age. Stand for nothing, run from everything. Problems are dealt with a call for talks and giving in to all demand. Then when that doesnt work.....maybe we were not nice enough.....give some more. We are on our way there with Barrack. How exciting. One of those guys who says something different every time the audiance changes. The love of no personal accountablity, big government, high taxes and more social programs to take from the hardworking and give to the lazy. The good times are here again.........Maybe I should get on wellfare.

Wow.

I mean really. Wow.

You have yourself convinced of that, don't you?

I'm speechless.

And all this time I thought that bright red hue on your lips was makeup, not Kool-aid.

Sorry docspud, but that was JFK - he was a democrat.

Inflation is directly tied to government deficit. Economics 101.

Reagan created a HUGE deficit through MASSIVE military spending.

Therefore, Reagan created the inflation which ruined the economy.

Simple logic, but I guess there's no point if your head's up your ass. It's like trying to teach the deaf to dance.

Mikespike,
If you read it you would realize I said what happened to the party of....Yes JFK. And I wonder how we got to Carter/Obama since then. How we got to the point of a party standing for what it does now.

Yeah we might as well attribute the downfall of Russia to JFK and the space race.

Irie, i have taken many economics classes and it is not directly linked. In fact I have a book right here in my office for those days and I looking it up, missed that passage. But if it helps your arguement, stand by it.

Let's not forget that decisions were made after consulting pyshics.

No GI bill for you.

Yeah?

Where are the "missing" billions in Iraq? Where's the f'n ACCOUNTABLILTY?
Who was fired for the "faulty intelligence" that led us into Iraq? Where's the ACCOUNTABILITY?

Did you miss the part where Reagan INCREASED the size of the Federal Govt.......just like GWB did ONCE AGAIN? Sounds like BIG GOVERNMENT to me.

And you goats who think the cold war is over may want to check again. Same game, a couple different players, and THIS time it's the "war on terra". Still costing us billions, though. Funny how that wroks.

What boogie man is everyone going to be afraid of next time, so we can ignore what a p!ss poor job Republicans and Democrats do?

I see it now - misread it the first time. Sadly, neither party stands for anything except greed anymore.

Agreed one hundred percent Dan S but it is the lesser of two evils for me. Bush was not a good republican and spent way more than he should have. Seems to be the way our country works these days....Those in power just take and take and take. Spend for there own and do no good. I dont have my head in the sand about it. The fear mongering is B.S. as well. But again, lesser(hopefully) of the two evils. And with the differences in Obama and McCain it is clear enough who I agree with. Will McCain do what he says.....They never do but the fear of Obama actually do half he says causes me to back McCain.

That's the problem, doc. It's been that way as long as I can remember.

There has to be a way to put an end to that.

300 million Americans, and the best two we can run are McCain and Obama? Reminds of the last trip on the merry-go-round with GWB and Kerry......or GWB and Gore. Can we NOT get good candidates on the ballot?

Create spending limits on campaigns, a government fund to supply ordinary citizens matching funds for a run at the presidency, and absolutely no contributions from corporate entities. Oh, I guess that would make things a little too fair for some people.

Nope. I didn't serve, so I don't qualify. The old man did. And no, he didn't use it either. The military will give you a perfectly good education and some of the best training available in this country. Turns out it was good enough to get a white collar/management job with good pay and benefits.

Thanks Uncle Sam!

That's funny. I'm positive my Sherry's ex husband worked his way up in military rank by sucking dick. No training necessary.

No president gets a good review from the public. As long as I have lived, there is always some opposition to whoever is in the whitehouse. Its my belief that puppets are operated by strings. The president is nothing more than the puppet. They are pulled on by many strings of influence (parties, lobbiest, corporate entities, military generals, personal interests, and the PUBLIC...............etc). I dont think we have any idea of what it is like to have the job of president of the United States. There is no way that any of us would do any better job in the public eye. I believe that we have our own strings that we are pulled by and influences our opinion of the government (media, peers, hype, BB posts). If we keep scaring ourselves into thinking sh!t is f@cked up..........................then it will be f@cked up.

As far as the GI bill. That thing is great. For a $1200 dollar investment I got a masters degree for about half the cost as regular joe/josephine would have.

One word Iran, but asshat Obama was quoted as saying that Iran was a small country and not a threat...f'n Dillweed! Then of course changed that the next day to " Iran is a grave threat " he has appeaser written all over him and will be exposed during the general election.

J7,

You need to stop injecting reason and logic into arguments. That is just plain unfair.