Nookie my friend... you seem like an otherwise reasonable, intelligent guy. So tell me... WHAT exactly turns reasonable, intelligent people into hate-mongerin' right-wing robots? I can't for the life of me figure it out?

The reason we all accuse you of being a talk-radio parrot is because all of these political philosophies you 'supposedly' arrived at through independent thought... are SO similar to the drivel spewed forth by the right-wing puppet masters... that to think ANYTHING else would just be ridiculous!

Prove us wrong man. Show us that you ain't just another brain-dead ditto-head. You can do it!

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BWP-

McCain's actions are inexcusable. Re-read what the article says. McCain participated in the solicitation of money and favors for political gain, then he and the others attempted to scuttle the investigation into his buddy Keating's illegal activities. AGAIN, McCAIN ATTEMPTED TO SUBVERT THE LEGAL PROCESS OF THIS COUNTRY FOR HIS FRIEND, CHARLES KEATING, WHO IS A CONVICTED FELON DUE TO THIS MATTER!!!

McCain and the others were censured for their actions - now he's cheating on his taxes. It's pretty clear that he is not an ethical person and does not have the best interest of the "common person" in mind.

xoxo, Mike

PS Isn't Ron Paul the African-American transvestite celebrity? [/quote]


Maybe the transvestite you are thinking of is Michelle Obama. When she raised her claws in the air & said she wanted to rip Bill Clinton’s eyes out, I knew then she was no lady. LOL

Anyway you should do more research beyond wiki. The investigation determined that McCain showed poor judgment but no wrong doing. Some democratic senators were found to be crooked. McCain was not. He received money from one of the largest employers in his state as a campaign contribution this is how the newly elected senator was involved. The investigation went on for years. Not sure what Stevers in Everett is referring to but think he is confusing the other side, those who lost money & were being reimbursed on the FDIC & a different collapse.

I admit McCain is not as pure as the driven snow, he is human after all & has made mistakes. Said himself that this was one of the worst things he ever went through, said that at least as a POW his honor was never questioned & said this has made him very careful.

His ex-wife Carol sports a McCain for Pres bumper sticker on her Mercedes, says he would make an excellent pres & is still very good friends with him, speaks nothing but good about him. His current wife Cindy who he has been married to for the last 28 years was NOT a staffer but a rather a millionaire. Maybe if you are in solitary for 6 years tortured by the enemy you start to reevaluate life – don’t know never been in that situation. I do know though what it is to have been in a serious car accident, it made me reevaluate life, from my experience it ages you, made me more serious. Wish I could say it made me more carefree like I had a second go at life which I did, but it did rather the opposite to me. So their marriage had some serious obstacle that it did not survive, sometimes marriages do not last forever.

Gotta add if McCain votes against veteran legislation you better bet it is for a good reason, things are not always as simple as they seem.

BWP-

Thanks for agreeing to disagree on McCain in a civil manner. I really don't like either of the candidates and am leaning towards Dogfish's suggestion of voting for Ron Paul. If only that would make a difference.

Happy trails, Mike

A nice ripe statement overloaded with low hanging fruit....












.....and I'm not hungry at the moment. God Damn it.

I think a true libertarian type conservative would vote for Paul. He stands for a lot of the things a true small government type does, especially on the individual freedoms and money supply issues. Less strident conservatives are well served by Bob Barr, at least he's consistent, and besides, he hated Clinton, and that's always worth a few votes amongst the 'movement' type conservatives.

McCain't seems to be drawing on the 'neocon' conservatives, the ones for whom power is its' own end, with no particular set in stone values that would guide them, outside of 'we do as we please' when in power. His only hope, slim as it is, is a big Obama blunder, and even then, McCain't will make his share, Sunni's/ Shia comes to mind.

Obama will have to face the full front of GOP wingnuttery, and all the assorted smears they can muster. So far, with the 'attended a madrassa', to 'is a muslim', and 'doesn't have a birth certificate' and so forth, the tactic is becoming clear, although the attack still rather disjointed.

McCain't has his own problems though, he looks old, decrepit, and ill at ease when speaking, and as much as I think McCain't can be attacked on much more substantive issues than how he looks, the fact remains is that it matters, sadly though I think.

Bets anyone ?

I think McCan't has plenty of avenues of weakness...chief among them that he's just an old hasbeen version of G-Dubya, with actual combat experience. Problem is, he's mostly crazy from his combat experience, and just like our veterans now, he never gets any treatment for it.

The fact that there are actual real people who believe the full on lie campaign, that Obama is a Muslim, that he attended a madrassas, all that crap...it just goes to show how stupid some Americans are.

Yes, nookie, I'm talking to you.

There is no actual real evidence whatsoever, and if you managed to not only find a different lie machine to tell you that crap, other than FuxNoos or Rush, then it only goes to show how deep not only the Republican LIe Machine is, but how deeply the stupidity of its followers runs.

I'll make a nice black and white, bright line delineation...the kind of judgmental "with us or against us!" crap that Republicans really like...if you really believe that Obama is a Muslim and attended a madrassas, then you are dumber than $hit.

Period.

Fish on...

Todd

Gee Todd, don't you have any strongly held opinions? Kinda' mellowing in your impending middle age, eh?

You know me, Sg...I'm less mellow in person

I just received a mass e-mail telling me that Obama eats white Christian children with his Indian fry bread. Seems like a pretty reliable source.

I'm not voting for anyone who would do that.

Fish on...

Todd

Don't hold back Todd, tell us how you really feel.

Oh, Hank...I'm holding back some, believe me...the actual words I'd use talking to someone who actually believes that stuff would get modded away pretty fast...

Fish on...

Todd

For a good laugh, register at some of those far right wing blogs and get their 'E-mail Alerts'..............

Once you get registered at 4 or five, you start to get 'Alerts' from others as well (I think they swap lists or something)

Truly funny stuff.

The saddest, most pathetic and ignorant people in the US believe that stuff.

So far, I've been 'warned' that Obabma will institute Sharia Law, turn us into a Muslim country, he will make white people second class citizens (plenty of racist stuff comes across) and of course, the usual socialist, communist blather the right is so famous for.

They read like a third grader worte many of them, replete with misspellings, and grammar errors.

But then again, given their intended audience, the readers probably never notice such things.................

It just goes to show what little respect some people have for America or the democratic political process...they know they can't win on the facts, so they make chit up...and then people who know damn well it's a bunch of crap go out and spread the lies anyway...they're the least American of the bunch.

Fish on...

Todd

The bad news has come from Illinois, Louisiana and Mississippi -- a string of unexpected Republican defeats in congressional elections that have prompted GOP leaders to say, with candor unusual in politics, that the party is facing an outright catastrophe this November.

Increasingly, top Republicans are calling on their party to reinvent itself or risk driving away more voters and donors. The GOP image is so stale, said Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), in a memo to colleagues last week, that "if we were a dog food, they would take us off the shelf" because nobody is buying it.



The GOP , and McCain't have only one thing left, and so expect the worst from now on.

McCain't has hired all the Bushbots he can get his hands on, and the wingnut echosphere is revving into overdrive as we speak. Their campaign tactics will be much like the 'E-Mail Alerts' the wingnuts send out, and attack ads from the 527's are out in the battleground states already.

Same crap from the same people,

It should be embarrasing to be a member of such a group, but no, sadly the GOP floundering in the froth and feces of the right wing noise machine seems to be a point of pride for them.

I don't see why the GOP just doesn't put out the ad they REALLY want to run :

'Are You Going To Vote For A Socialist Muslim Ni**er'

Their core already feels that way, but I don't think it would play well with the other 72% of America.

McLame knows exactly how the Republican Smear and Lie Machine works...after all, it's the same machine that Rove and Dubya used to spread lies about him to win the nomination...the good thing is that the vast majority of Americans are sick of those lying bastards, and the 28% Kool-Aid drinkers can froth in their own muck all they want...they can't reach most of America anymore.

In politics there's a saying..."Pigs get rich, hogs get slaughtered"...using the Lie and Smear machine selectively and with strategy got BushCorp into the White House...twice...but they forgot to turn it off, and it's been running at full tilt the whole time...they went from pigs to hogs, and McLame will be the recipient of America's wrath for being lied to so strongly and consistently for the past eight years.

Lies and smears is all they got...so get ready to hear more of the "I'm a uniter, not a divider" crowd smearing at full speed from now 'til November.

Fish on...

Todd

The main problem with McCain't, is much the same as the main problem was with Giuliani, they are who they are.

McCain't is a hothead by all accounts, not very charismatic, a bit slow, lacks energy..........all less than substantive issues I'll grant you, but nonetheless ones that sadly matter to an electorate raised on TV.
His other problems are more 'base' related, fundies (although some will almost certainly come around), the xenophobe/racists crowd, led by Tancredo and company, his long record of opposing the base on issues dear to them, and of course the lobbying ties to both himself and his staff.

McCain't has the press as his base, that whole 'Maverick" thing that is so wholly and utterly media created.

McCain't .........................ain't .........................

Back in the 80's the GOP realized that calling a candidate a "Ni**er luvin' commie-fa**ot Jew" no longer had the effect that it once did, so over time they began to use the word "liberal" with a wink and a nod to convey the same meaning. Now "Liberal" no longer has that same effect, so the word of the day seems to be "Terrorist Supporter."

I like how the media "slips up" and calls Obama "Osama" every chance they get. Case in point: Matt Lauer last week and Fox News every day.

Foxnews.................

They posted a crawler saying WMD's were found in Iraq, Labeled Indicted and Convicted Republicans as Democrats , and generally define gutter dwelling froth in the wingnut media.

I don't own a TV, or watch a TV much, but I always laugh when I watch Fox for more than a few minutes when at friends houses.

It simply amazes me that people actually watch that stuff.

And yet your friend's watching it. It just shows to go ya that "friends" come in all stripes.

Oh sure......................I have lots of Conservative friends, possibly more Conservative friends than Liberal ones, but even they don't support Bush anymore.

Remember, I said they were 'Conservative friends', not 'stupid friends'....................

KK, even funnier, I have a lot of conservative friends but NONE of them label themselves as Republican, they all say the R's have let 'em down and are a bunch of lying pussies who expect their minions to blindly follow their bullsh!t....................................

that's why none of them support Bush any more.......he reminds everyone of the spoiled rich frat rats in college who needed the "Greek" system because they couldn't make friends on their own.........