Shoot, Im out of popcorn.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334

Grape Kool aid.

Mf

wrong network. I guess if none of your relatives died at the hands of Jim Jones, its easy to crack jokes about the drink. Maybe you could tell me whats so funny about 900 people being poisioned to death.

The article does not prove that the yellow cake intelligence was right or wrong. It also does not state WHERE the yellow cake removed from IRAQ
was purchased. It doesn't eliminate Niger as the source.

I don't think he was cracking a joke, just making a point that some people will do exactly what they are told, and believe exactly what they are told to believe with no regard to the consequences.

The difference between the Jim Jones coolaid drinkers and the current crop is that in Jonestown they only killed thmeselves, while you guys are ruining our country for everybody else.

Step away from the coolaid. (that was a joke)

stam

Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.


The IAEA had the Iraqi uranium under seal, locked and inventoried every year, that is well known and documented.

If I remember correctly, the Niger 'story' was post 1991...................

Next.....................soooooooooooooo laughing.........................

I think 913 people dying from drinking Kool-Aid with cyanide in it is just as funny as the 28%'er's who have clearly drunk something like it, and suffer from a blinding support of whatever BushCorp tells them...

...which is "not funny at all"...and, in fact, is kinda sad, and as Stam pointed out, has resulted in the death of tens of thousands more than the original 913 Kool-Aid drinkers, the biggest difference being that the current crop of Kool-Aid drinkers drinks it up, but others are the ones who die for it.

Fish on...

Todd

This is the same type of "story" as finding the "WMD's" a few years ago that actually turned out to be leftovers of the gas we gave Saddam, the stuff he used on the Kurds.

With ten seconds worth of retrospection, stories like this make it even more clear that the run up to the war was cooked in a bucket somewhere in the bowels of the White House.

No popcorn necessary, but the Kool-Aid stand at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is still doing a brisk business.

Fish on...

Todd

Fox run's a lot of this sort of thing,. Like the 'crawler' that announced all the 'WMD's' that were found there................... ..................

Frankly, while not much suprises me anymore, it is rathey disconcerting that anyone would trot out a quote like leadhead did, and expect it to be met any serious consideration.

[ as the 28%'er's who have clearly drunk something like it, Fish on...

Todd

That number has been recently revised to 29.3%. I don't know what's scarier, that number or the 18.5% that think Congress has it together.

Over 100 bills, many with broad bipartisan support are being held up by Tom Coburn, by placing a 'hold' on them.

This tactic prevents the process from moving forward under unanimous consent rules.

If more people were aware of this and other stall tactics currently being used by the minority, I think you'r see those numbers change quite a bit.

No worries though, come November the Dems should have 55-56 seats, perhaps as many as 57, and with just a few wayward Republicans looking to cover their butts before '10, such tactics will no longer prove viable....................

The thing about Congress' DIS-approval rating is that even with a democratic majority, the republicans are holding everything up so that nothing can get done...such is the price of requiring bi-partisanship in Congress when you have a decidely partisan environment thatnks to BushCorp.

BushCorp's DIS-approval ratings, however, are entirely his own.

You can lay them both at the feet of the Republicans...but that will cease to be a problem after November when there will be enough Democrats to steamroll the obstructionists.

Fish on...

Todd

Dingell (chairman-D) and Barton (ranking member-R) were making pretty good progress on a bi-partisan energy bill until Pelosi told Dingell there would be no deals with the Republicans. It seems to me that a workable energy bill would be in the best interests of the American people at this juncture. Instead we have Plastic-Face Pelosi making sure nothing gets done.

Coburn can stall any bill he likes as far as I'm concerned. Bill stalling and prevention have been a way of life in Congress as long as there has been a Congress. Both parties are equally guilty. You do recall Tiny-Tommy Daschell when the Dems were the minority don't you?

Why make a deal with Republicans at this point ?

I mean, really ?

Come November the landscape changes...........for the better I might add.

Sure, an energy policy would make sense, but it would never make it through the Senate, Coburn would put a hold on it. Like you said, Coburn can put a hold on as many bills as he wants..............

I can't remember when one Senator put a hold on over 100 bills though, maybe, but I looked for a few minutes and couldn't find any numbers on holds.

I doubt Coburn would block a energy bill that had been worked out with bi-partisan support. The Repubs are going to beat the Dems severely about the head and shoulders on energy this election cycle. 78% of voters think this is the most important issue and they will be reminded of that on a hourly basis.

I agree that Repubs are in deep doo-doo but if the Dems keep ignoring gas prices or think the way to solve the problem is higher taxes on Big Oil, they will have a short reign as the majority.

Why not ? Coburn is currently blocking many bills with bipartisan support. In fact, the whole strategy of the Republicans has been to gum up the works, it's been stated by several Republican Senators.

All the Republicans have for an energy policy is 'drill', and that isn't exactly an 'energy policy' in my book. What the Republicans HAVE done, is follow their usual fear mongering playbook, starting with Cheney's since retracted claim that China was drilling off the coast of Cuba and taking 'our' oil. Then a few more of the dim bulbs in the party piled on, some after Cheney retracted his claim.

So it would appear the Republican energy policy is ..........wait for it................lie and hope it sticks..........try and create fear through false statements.

I fail to see how the Republicans are going to beat anybody in the head on anything this cycle, they certainly can't point to a record of accomplishment on anything energy related, and so far, Dems outpoll R's on almost every single issue when asked who do you trust more type questions.

Republicans are going to get their asses kicked across the board, Ensign (NRSCC) is now quoted as saying if they lose 4 seats it'll be considered a 'victory'.

Like I said, why cut a deal with a party on the ropes, a party that thinks 'drill more' is a viable policy............makes no sense.

KK, I probably should not have left out that quote. Its a valid point of reference regarding the Joe Wilson report. I thought the article was interesting only, in regards to all the shouting about no WMD being found in in Iraq. Furthermore, the media was reporting that Sadam had destroyed his supplies after the first gulf war. Obviously a discovery date of the YC would also be important to the WMD arguement. I dont like being fooled anymore than anyone else. But, I wouldnt oppose evidence that would vindicate a president, any president. I have plenty of other reasons to dislike Bush.

My main point about the source of the yellow cake sent to Canada, was that the article itself, did not report where the YC was purchased. Although they estimate the yellow cake had been in the drums since 91, the article doesnt prove the YC was purchased in Fresh containers. IE I have a gallon of oil in my garage, that I bought a year ago. It looks brand new.

If the YC had been purchased from Niger, it would allow for the possibility of more YC being sought.

This not about defending Bush. Nor am I one of the 28%.

I'm in agreement with KK on this one..."let's drill in ANWR" is not a valid 'energy policy', and think the electorate is fully aware of Cheney's secret energy task force meetings that immediately preceded the current energy crisis, as they are aware of "Kenny Boy" Lay's energy scandal, and his friendship with BushCorp...the dems have nothing to worry about so far as energy policy goes, as the Repubs have failed on it so miserably the past seven years that anything will be better.

There's also no reason to all of a sudden foster a bipartisan environment when those who made it so partisan (thanks to the "uniter not a divider", aka "the decider") will be out on their asses in a few months and won't be able to continuing screwing the public for the benefit of their corporate masters and rapidly deteriorating political party.

It's a rough time to be a Republican...actually, it's been rough for a while, since the only thing "republican" about the current crop of Republicans is their name, and the "R" after their titles...none of their policies, except the pandering to the religious radical right, have anything "conservative" or "republican" about 'em.

Until the republicans in the electorate make them change back into actual republicans, they will be in serious trouble.

Fish on...

Todd

The reason they have not had any success with anything energy related is the Dems block everything. It goes both ways you see.

Regardless of whether or not drill anywhere and everywhere is a viable alternative, the people are going to want to see some progress on curbing spiraling gas costs. It doesn't matter to the majority of voters if it is effective or not. They just want to see someone doing something about their wallets. If enough people think drilling more will help, then that's who they will vote for. If, on the other hand, there are voters that think (and are correct by the way) drilling is not the answer, they will vote the other way.

The Repub stock in trade is fear-mongering. It worked for Bushie and they will use it again for whoever runs again. You know this,I know this. I won't say it's right because it's not. You have to admit though that it is effective.

As for Coburn, he may go the way of Daschell and be unelected. If enough people in his state are fed the same diet of "obstructionist" that were force fed to the voters in Daschell's state, he's history. But he is from Oklahoma,not exactly a Blue state and he did win the last election by 18 pts. He could be pretty safe.

It was well known that Iraq had yellow cake all along. The IAEA inventoried and put the uranium under seal, that is, it was locked and sealed since Gulf 1.

I don't get where this has anything to do with WMD's, there still haven't been any found, nor does the shipping of known amounts of uranium under IAEA seal lend any substance to anything about WMD's.

The existence of this uranium wasn't any sort of secret, nor was it in any sort of use. It's sort of speculation to imply because an article doesn't specify where a known quantity of uranium was purchased, that it 'could' have come from Niger.


IAEA inspectors quantified it and put it under lock and key, then inspected it every year since the 1st Gulf War. I can't remember, nor did I find any credible story that says anything different after a quick search or two on Lexis/Nexis

I thnk Coburn's safe, he's not going anywhere.

The fear mongering may be starting to turn a few people away from the party though, and I am not sure it will be as effective this time around.


I doubt that any substantial legislation, energy or otherwise will see the light of day this year, as in most election years.

Energy policy in this country, you've got to be kidding...............

You're a funny guy Hank.................

Ever fish the Sacramento for trout around Redding ?

KK, I will take your word for it. I lack the historical knowledge of the IAEA and what they did with the yellow cake or when it was discovered. It appears I drew conclusions of a wmd find, without historical knowledge.
I shouldnt do that.

thanks.

cool...............I don't know everything there is too know, but with access to Lexis I can search out things that would otherwise be harder to find.

I am a liberal....................so you'd expect I'll get it right, more often than not.................

Ever fish the Sacramento for trout around Redding ?



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I was there Memorial Day. A friend from New Hampshire was here for a Hewlitt-Packard seminar and I took her up to Redding to see her ex mother-in-law. Fished the Sac the next day with mixed results from a boat. Should have been fly fishing, they were killing them with nymphs.
I love it up that way. Many moons ago I lived in Hoopa and worked in a lumber mill there. The Trinity is a beautiful river too.

Fear mongering will never die. The Dems have used it with fantastic success too. The anti-Goldwater ad is a classic example and probably the birthplace for the art.

Both parties do it, but you have to admit that "the smoking gun might be in the form of a mushroom cloud" is pretty tough to beat...

Fish on...

Todd

I fished it last year out of a boat with a guide from The Fly Shp. Had a Sunday down there after we went to a wedding in Red Bluff on a Saturday, so took a half day float that turned into 7 hours.

Those fish were nice, fat and hard fighting, we did the 2 nymph thing and just slayed fish from the Sundial Bridge down. We spent a few hours just picking that short stretch above the bridge apart, right bank and that little island upstream from the bridge.

I'd do that fishery again anytime, nice climate, nice fish...............probably hit it when the flows drop this fall/winter.

That ad only ran once, amazing that after all this time people still remember it so well..................Dem landslide that year.............

We fished from just below the dam to just below the bridge,both sides. Used spinning gear because the friend had never tried a fly rod. Caught some spunky native 'bows on crawlers,roe and lures. The most effective was the F4 Flatfish in silver because of all the Salmon smolt in the river at the time. The guide we were with had some 8-17# rods but I brought along a SR781 with 6# on a Stradic. They were a lot more fun on that gear.

That was a benchmark ad....just waiting to see what they come up with for this cycle for both sides. How many black churches do you think McCain will burn down this year?

Probably about the same as the number of Muslims Obama will be appointing to the Supreme Court......................

That would be Radical Muslims and most likely the ones he met at the school he went to.

Oh right..............the madrassa....................almost forgot.

I also forgot that you can never write the word 'Muslims' without 'Radical' immediately preceeding it.

See...............I could never cut it as a wingnut columnist or pundit, I don't hear the 'dog whistles' like they do.............

You know Obama isn't even a citizen, but the liberal media just won't cover the story, it's only well known over on Free Republic.com.............

Well, at republicanswillmakeyouhatetofu.org they are already spouting "McCain was born in PANAMA CITY, he has no right to call himself a citizen." Doesn't matter.....I'm still not voting for Obama....or Ron Paul.

What about Bob Barr ?

Can't question his bonafides........he hates Clinton too, always counts for a few votes amongst Conservatives.........

I figure you for more of a 'movement conservative', as opposed to a 'theocon' or 'neocon' type of conservative. Barr would be a good choice if you can't abide Ron Paul's libertarian small government type of thing.

Wait a minute.................... .............isn't that what Republicans stand for ?

I think Barr's your man, but in reality, Obama will take your state easily, so might as well not even vote for President, take the day off and go fishing, you have my blessing.............

B-1 Bob? He's got the conservative credentials but has the Curtis LeMay attitude. Iran would be a sheet of glass in the first couple of months of his presidency.

It's not a tough call to hate the Clintons. You'd be surprised at the number of people in this town that do. Of course they're mostly Obamabots here and you know how the Clintons villified the man. All of that racist talk. Can you imagine the Chutzpa of the Hildabeest going on campaign finance tours to retire her debt? Why can't she just write it off as a bad investment and do another book thing to cover the loss?

In my state Bo Diddly could run on the Dem ticket and get 67%. My thought is I'm going to write in Newt on the absentee ballot and go fishing for a couple of weeks. Wake me when it's over.

God Bless America................ ....................

I think you're thinking of Bob Dornan..............I'm talking about the Libertarian Party candidate, Bob Barr from Georgia.

But yeah........Dornan................... ...................he's a real piece of work.....................is he still around ?

He lost to Loretta Sanchez..................that's gotta hurt him when he thinks about it...........

Thanks for correcting me. Yeah Loretta Sanchez. Changed her party and then her name to the Hispanic one before the election to get that vote. Lots of drama there: illegal votes,but not enough to overturn the election. If I'm not mistaken, she's the first Dem in that office from Orange County in a very long time. I'm not sure what Dornan is doing now. Probably working as a conservative talk show host in the 12-4 A.M. time slot.

I like Barr and his stance on the restoration of civil liberties and taking away some of the powers of the executive branch. I do love the constitution and appreciate those that are strict adherents. His role in the impeachment and the Waco hearings was much appreciated. Henry Hyde and Lindsey Graham were not too shabby either.

Took G. Gordon Liddy's old time slot, eh ?

Just did a little wikipedia search on B-1. He sometimes fills in for Michael Savage and is currently working with a pro-life group. Some of his quotes are rather amusing. When outing a fellow Republican on the house floor he said the guy had a revolving door on his closet. Had to chuckle at that one. I'm sure he got along famously with Barney Frank.

He might have won, if he hadnt written a couple checks at the house bank and then turned around and run for president in 96. He did poorly.

Writing a couple of bad checks at the house bank shouldn't be a disqualification for election. Babs Boxer did it and she's sitting pretty.

He did poorly in the Pres race, and when he tried to re-take his seat, he got walloped 84-16.................

I read the Wiki bit, the fact that he was an actor and related to the Scarecrow (or was it the Tin Man) explains a lot about how he won a seat in the first place.

Those crazy Californians have a thing about electing actors.

Arnie, Sonny Bono, Dornan, and some others as well.......................

Im probably going to get flamed, but more is expected of R. Although it was a contributing factor in the Tidal wave of 94. Dems seem to forgive that stuff. There is no better example than Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd. Barney Frank and Steni Hoyer.

Really? I don't recall much furor from the RWWJ's over this loooonnnggg list of Republican criminals...

http://washparkprophet.blogspot.com/2005/11/republican-criminals.html

That list, except for Scooter, doesn't include the list of criminals that either are or have been on the current President's payroll, like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and others...

I don't see the Republican voters holding the criminals amongst them to any standard whatsoever, much less a higher one than anyone else...

Besides touting themselves as the party of "Law and Order", not to mention feeling like they have a stranglehold on "God", the Republicans...by a very long length...have had more divorces, been convicted of more sex crimes, have committed adultery almost out of hand, and continue to get a free pass from their "base"...why?

Because the "means justify the ends"...even when there is no "ends" that ever comes up...Republican voters will vote for a two-timing adulterer who divorced his wife after she was in a disfiguring car wreck, and then married the younger "lady" he was cheating on his wife with, before they'd ever say "boo" about it.

If Republican voters held their candidates to any standards at all, they'd hardly ever vote for any of 'em...and we all know that most of them just check to see if the "R" is next to their name on the ballot before voting, and that's about all they care about.

And that's just keeping it to personal and ethical problems, which both parties have issues with, being human beings and all...if you were to limit the malfeasance just to abuses of power, then the Republicans would run away with it...and it wouldn't even be close.

Again, though, so long as it's an abuse of power in furtherance of conservative "ideals", i.e., "fukk 'em all and show me the money", then they just get a free pass.

Both parties, and all the independents, have their problems with ethical and legal concerns...but to even for one minute try to favorably compare the numbers of criminal repubs with the criminal dems is an exercise that differs by orders of magnitude.

Fish on...

Todd

Oh Todd there you go again with a blog of Republican criminals. Try this one out: www.politicalgraveyard.com/special/trouble-disgrace.html It gives you a list of most of the politicians that have been convicted or charged with crimes. Not all R's and not all D's. Criminal behavior in politicians is pretty much equal opportunity. The ones that irritate me the most are the ones that still get a pension. Cunningham gets 60K+ and Rostenkowski gets over 100K. I think that after you are convicted of a federal offense,you shouldn't be allowed to get a federal pension.

But Congressmen and Senators are "special" aren't they? Different rules and laws apply to them apparently.

Ya Todd, democrats alway study the issue and the people. Especially union members. I use to get letters from the teamster about boycotting Wells Fargo and my union insurance wouldnt pay for my glasses if I went to walmart. No pressure at all.

I seem to remember a lot of R being voted out and unfortunately taking some innocent people with them. We arent likely to hold impromptu elections to suit the few.

You bitch about people who havent been convicted of anything in court. People that are appointed, not elected.
As far as Im concerned, if your party doesnt impeach and convict, then they dont have the stomach or the evidence. More politicians going to jail would be a good thing. BTW when was the last time you took on a crooked democrat? Weve got one in seattle that doesnt think much of the right to privacy. Why not run against Jimmy?

Only one party runs on morality, family values, and political crutches like prayer in school, though.

So one is a group of dirtbags, and the other is a group of hypocrite dirtbags. Is one worse than the other? Not really, but it is a little funnier......if you can call it that.

+1 Dan

Canada produces a lot of oil. Canada now has all that yellow cake. How long until we invade Canada?