Shoot, Im out of popcorn.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334

Grape Kool aid.

Mf

wrong network. I guess if none of your relatives died at the hands of Jim Jones, its easy to crack jokes about the drink. Maybe you could tell me whats so funny about 900 people being poisioned to death.

The article does not prove that the yellow cake intelligence was right or wrong. It also does not state WHERE the yellow cake removed from IRAQ
was purchased. It doesn't eliminate Niger as the source.

I think 913 people dying from drinking Kool-Aid with cyanide in it is just as funny as the 28%'er's who have clearly drunk something like it, and suffer from a blinding support of whatever BushCorp tells them...

...which is "not funny at all"...and, in fact, is kinda sad, and as Stam pointed out, has resulted in the death of tens of thousands more than the original 913 Kool-Aid drinkers, the biggest difference being that the current crop of Kool-Aid drinkers drinks it up, but others are the ones who die for it.

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Todd

This is the same type of "story" as finding the "WMD's" a few years ago that actually turned out to be leftovers of the gas we gave Saddam, the stuff he used on the Kurds.

With ten seconds worth of retrospection, stories like this make it even more clear that the run up to the war was cooked in a bucket somewhere in the bowels of the White House.

No popcorn necessary, but the Kool-Aid stand at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is still doing a brisk business.

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Todd

The thing about Congress' DIS-approval rating is that even with a democratic majority, the republicans are holding everything up so that nothing can get done...such is the price of requiring bi-partisanship in Congress when you have a decidely partisan environment thatnks to BushCorp.

BushCorp's DIS-approval ratings, however, are entirely his own.

You can lay them both at the feet of the Republicans...but that will cease to be a problem after November when there will be enough Democrats to steamroll the obstructionists.

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KK, I probably should not have left out that quote. Its a valid point of reference regarding the Joe Wilson report. I thought the article was interesting only, in regards to all the shouting about no WMD being found in in Iraq. Furthermore, the media was reporting that Sadam had destroyed his supplies after the first gulf war. Obviously a discovery date of the YC would also be important to the WMD arguement. I dont like being fooled anymore than anyone else. But, I wouldnt oppose evidence that would vindicate a president, any president. I have plenty of other reasons to dislike Bush.

My main point about the source of the yellow cake sent to Canada, was that the article itself, did not report where the YC was purchased. Although they estimate the yellow cake had been in the drums since 91, the article doesnt prove the YC was purchased in Fresh containers. IE I have a gallon of oil in my garage, that I bought a year ago. It looks brand new.

If the YC had been purchased from Niger, it would allow for the possibility of more YC being sought.

This not about defending Bush. Nor am I one of the 28%.

I'm in agreement with KK on this one..."let's drill in ANWR" is not a valid 'energy policy', and think the electorate is fully aware of Cheney's secret energy task force meetings that immediately preceded the current energy crisis, as they are aware of "Kenny Boy" Lay's energy scandal, and his friendship with BushCorp...the dems have nothing to worry about so far as energy policy goes, as the Repubs have failed on it so miserably the past seven years that anything will be better.

There's also no reason to all of a sudden foster a bipartisan environment when those who made it so partisan (thanks to the "uniter not a divider", aka "the decider") will be out on their asses in a few months and won't be able to continuing screwing the public for the benefit of their corporate masters and rapidly deteriorating political party.

It's a rough time to be a Republican...actually, it's been rough for a while, since the only thing "republican" about the current crop of Republicans is their name, and the "R" after their titles...none of their policies, except the pandering to the religious radical right, have anything "conservative" or "republican" about 'em.

Until the republicans in the electorate make them change back into actual republicans, they will be in serious trouble.

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Todd

KK, I will take your word for it. I lack the historical knowledge of the IAEA and what they did with the yellow cake or when it was discovered. It appears I drew conclusions of a wmd find, without historical knowledge.
I shouldnt do that.

thanks.

Both parties do it, but you have to admit that "the smoking gun might be in the form of a mushroom cloud" is pretty tough to beat...

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He might have won, if he hadnt written a couple checks at the house bank and then turned around and run for president in 96. He did poorly.

Im probably going to get flamed, but more is expected of R. Although it was a contributing factor in the Tidal wave of 94. Dems seem to forgive that stuff. There is no better example than Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd. Barney Frank and Steni Hoyer.

Really? I don't recall much furor from the RWWJ's over this loooonnnggg list of Republican criminals...

http://washparkprophet.blogspot.com/2005/11/republican-criminals.html

That list, except for Scooter, doesn't include the list of criminals that either are or have been on the current President's payroll, like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and others...

I don't see the Republican voters holding the criminals amongst them to any standard whatsoever, much less a higher one than anyone else...

Besides touting themselves as the party of "Law and Order", not to mention feeling like they have a stranglehold on "God", the Republicans...by a very long length...have had more divorces, been convicted of more sex crimes, have committed adultery almost out of hand, and continue to get a free pass from their "base"...why?

Because the "means justify the ends"...even when there is no "ends" that ever comes up...Republican voters will vote for a two-timing adulterer who divorced his wife after she was in a disfiguring car wreck, and then married the younger "lady" he was cheating on his wife with, before they'd ever say "boo" about it.

If Republican voters held their candidates to any standards at all, they'd hardly ever vote for any of 'em...and we all know that most of them just check to see if the "R" is next to their name on the ballot before voting, and that's about all they care about.

And that's just keeping it to personal and ethical problems, which both parties have issues with, being human beings and all...if you were to limit the malfeasance just to abuses of power, then the Republicans would run away with it...and it wouldn't even be close.

Again, though, so long as it's an abuse of power in furtherance of conservative "ideals", i.e., "fukk 'em all and show me the money", then they just get a free pass.

Both parties, and all the independents, have their problems with ethical and legal concerns...but to even for one minute try to favorably compare the numbers of criminal repubs with the criminal dems is an exercise that differs by orders of magnitude.

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Ya Todd, democrats alway study the issue and the people. Especially union members. I use to get letters from the teamster about boycotting Wells Fargo and my union insurance wouldnt pay for my glasses if I went to walmart. No pressure at all.

I seem to remember a lot of R being voted out and unfortunately taking some innocent people with them. We arent likely to hold impromptu elections to suit the few.

You bitch about people who havent been convicted of anything in court. People that are appointed, not elected.
As far as Im concerned, if your party doesnt impeach and convict, then they dont have the stomach or the evidence. More politicians going to jail would be a good thing. BTW when was the last time you took on a crooked democrat? Weve got one in seattle that doesnt think much of the right to privacy. Why not run against Jimmy?

Only one party runs on morality, family values, and political crutches like prayer in school, though.

So one is a group of dirtbags, and the other is a group of hypocrite dirtbags. Is one worse than the other? Not really, but it is a little funnier......if you can call it that.

+1 Dan

Canada produces a lot of oil. Canada now has all that yellow cake. How long until we invade Canada?

We should invade ourselves and see if we can "fix" things here...

Canada also has lots of back bacon!

We've got oil, nuclear bombs, biological weapons, chemical weapons, ongoing programs to continue to develop more and more deadly ways to kill people, and an armed forces that can carry those WMD's all over the world and drop into the chimmneys of those who we hate, which is most everybody who's not in a country full of other white people.

Not only do we have all those WMD's and their delivery systems, not to mention valuable natural resources, we've shown an alarming tendency to ignore intelligence gathering, or at least using intelligence gathered, diplomacy, or even a lot of common sense.

Under the new doctrine of "Pre-emption", that would make us a number one target...for us.

Probably even a better target than Iraq...we actually do want to be liberated.

Let's run that one up the flagpole in D.C..

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We really aren't that far away from a military-backed Coup de Etat. Just need to piss off enough generals with massive military cuts.

Hey, it's what sparked Spain's pleasantries back in the 30's.

The track we're on, we won't need one...

In spite of BushCorp actively, and incorrectly, calling the insurgents/Al Qaeda/Saddam Hussein "Islamo-Fascists", fascisim is actually a form of military corporatism, where the country and its military are co-opted by the corporate/industrial complex and run for their benefit, rather than the benefit of the actual people who live in the country.

Why would the military stage a coup? Them and their corporate masters are already running the show. It's why we pay billions of tax dollars per week to keep the Contractor Army on track in Iraq...we can't just give them the money while they are here in the U.S., so we have a war, send all the contractors over there, and then give them the billions.

That is textbook fascism...at least we still have enough authority as the electorate to vote those assholes out of office.

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Todd

Thanks for the PoliSci 101, Todd.
Some of us have gone to college.


Speaking of which, how do you like China's shift from Maoism to Fascism?

To the ones who know what "fascism" is, no need to educate...that was for the ones who parrot BushCorp's "IslamoFascism" bullchit, some of whom also went to college, but conveniently forgot their Political Science fundamentals, including a bunch of dimwits who should konw better, like most of BushCorp.

It's too bad that most of their sheep don't know the difference, or more likely, don't care..."IslamoFascist" just rolls off the tongue so nicely!

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I don't know if China can be pigeonholed into any sort of standard political ideology...like the country, the politics there seems to be an odd mishmash of all kinds of stuff borrowed from all over the place...especially with the re-acquisition of Hong Kong.

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Todd

U.S. armed forces vs. Blackwater and the other "private security forces?"

Kinda makes stockpiling my own weapons start sounding more attractive.

Anyone know where a guy can get an RPG?

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Todd

This place is getting really scary now that we only have left wing nut jobs. Where are the right wingers to balance things out.
Yes the term "islamofacist" is dumb. There are some little points that meet such as a banding of one group against another and trying to put down anyone who does not agree by force but it does not make sense. This was a term used because it brings up all the pain from WWII and Mussolini/Hitler. Hitler was not a facsist govern by definition either but closer.
Now here we have our resident political nut job sounding off that we here are facsist. I ask if you know what facsism is nut job. Even with your ideology that is a stretch. Fascism has some basic points. First and formost.....it is a measure taken by one class against another to create strife and unrest. This is used to unite them against others in their own country to take over. As much as a few of the nut jobs want to say teh bible belt was united again the rest of us to take over the world to turn it to the worlds only true horrible religion....Chritianity. It would be more acurate to use the standard Dem arguement to say "the dirty rich are holding you down- unite you poor poor against them".
They also need ot be Chauvinstic. Yes, they do hold down those minorities and if you are not white in this country you stand no chance.....Forget affirmative action, welfare, grants for only minorities, free hospital care for the poor of all races,........the list goes on and on but they stand no chance. At least that is what many that need their vote want them to believe.
They should be Imperialistic and take all from other to enrich themselves......Well that is self explanitory. We take over other countries for their oil and run there governments. Lets just look at how profitable it has been for all of us imperialists. Our economy has skyrocketted......a damn boondoggle I tell ya.
They also fuse business and government together. O'wait....that was teh dems that want to control profits and think they can run things better.
I think I will start stockpiling some weapons if the next party in power has to many that think the way some here do. Bring back Aunty to balance things here please.

I didn't say we live in a fascist state...but we're closer to it than the RWWJ's use of "IslamoFascist", as none of the ones we're fighting are Fascists, or anything even remotely close...by definition.

The rest of your post is right wing babble.

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Todd

Already got a good stockpile of arms & ammunition. Good there. Don't come knocking if you aren't on the list.

The thing that confuses me who are the NEOCONS? Are they the good robots that change into cars, trucks and planes, or the bad robots that change into cars, trucks and planes? All these labels are so confusing.

The NEOCONS are the bad ones who turn the military into the PR wing of their pet corporations.

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Todd

Mmmmmmm, ..... back bacon

Do you know why there were never any jokes about Jonestown?

Because the punch line was too long.

Die thread, die.

All threads are better with Back Bacon!

Mmmm, back bacon....

Thanks Mike!

You might not believe this, but when bwp calls me "certifiable", that's about as much of an affirmation that I need.

Carry on, Sane One.





































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Todd

I knew that sooner or later, we'd find at least one thing we have in common!

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P.S. That might be the only thing, though

I think we have plent of faux-centrist autobots...no need to actually recruit more.

Actually, as I said in the thread that hastened AuntyM's departure, I think she should "man up" and stay around...but realize that there are many who think JLH's offensive post was over the line, myself included, but well-deserved, and act accordingly.

Unfortunately, I think that, in spite of her faux-centrist non-PC stance, the decidedly un-PC, but accurate tone of JLH's post sent her scurrying.

You can't have it both ways...if you pretend to be a non-PC faux-centrist, then you can't complain when you are treated like one.

Such it is, as the PP World Turns...but you have to admit, the fact that there are "men" praying for a woman to allow them to return to "manhood" kind of defeats the whole purpose of their "faux-manhood"...

What a tangled web they weave...

What's the rest of that phrase?

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This has nothing to do with O-Bots, or racism...this is just a couple of simple facts about the world of PP on the Dark Side...Aunty made her own bed, and rather than lie in it, she ran.

I think you're likely man enough to manage without her...

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What exactly is it that makes white, supposedly well educated liberals hate their country so....?

I'm white, fairly well-educated, and liberal.........and one of the few things I really dislike about this country is the politics.

This thread illustrates why.

A bunch of people defending one of two goats.......and they ARE goats, both of them.........when they should be demanding better candidates from both sides.

But instead, we ignore how lame "our" candidate is, attack the "other" candidate and anyone who supports them, and then wonder why we get stuck with two pieces of sh!t every election.

F'n pathetic.

I'm about to line up with Andy and vote for Ron Paul.

Dan S.......That is about the most sane thing I have heard. The attacks that happen in our political system mean we end up with no one to vote for. You are so torn apart running for president that we only get these megalomanics running.
The primary process means you only get the worst of the worst. The most liberal and conservative are who survives because the rest of us looking for someone centrist dont get a say in most of the states. Sad we end up with OB and McC. I still cant vote for RP as it means nothing though. To make a statement that no one will hear or care about is tough for me to do. Instead of looking for a great leader you have to choose the lesser of two evils. Fines mess that puts us in. Who would make a worse president.....Lets vote for the other guy.

Word, Dan.

I take things from both sides to live my life by, liberal in some areas, conservative in others, and I think many people are that way. I just wish that some day there would be a candidate that represented my views on life, but that would be asking too much.

If you want to know why we are stuck with goats, read "The Associates: Four Capitalists Who Created California" by Richard Rayner. The title is misleading because what they really accomplished was the submission of our government to corporate money. Our "choices" are predetermined for us by corporate money and actually reflect competing/warring business individuals.

And no, this is not a tin foil hat conspiracy - it is factual and completely documented, but it will require that you actually read a book.

Once again, die thread, die.

And I'm voting for Ron Paul

PS Not a shot at you DanS, you just got me "fired up"

I'm white, educated, and fairly liberal on most things, especially the environment and social constructs, meaning we should protect the environment and religious people should keep their idiotic rules to themselves and not try and force them on the rest of us. Fiscally I'm more to the right, but not too far.

I love my country.

If I didn't, then I wouldn't care that dip$hits like BushCorp are ruining it...or that McLame might become President and give us four or eight more years of the same crap we're getting now.

If I didn't love my country, I'd be voting for more of the same...

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