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#442511 - 07/07/08 01:22 AM Why is it legal?
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I have been wondering why it is legal for wild animals that live in the water to be harvested and sold for commercial purposes and not for wild animals that live on the land? I have never seen "wild" duck and venison at the supermarket but as we all know there are plenty of wild sea creatures for sale. I know this may seem like a stupid question but I am curious to know what laws were passed to ban the sale of wild game and make it still legal to harvest wild animals from the sea or other bodies of water and sell them. Thank you to anyone who can shed a little light on this topic. -TBJ


Edited by TBJ (07/07/08 01:24 AM)
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#442514 - 07/07/08 02:10 AM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: TBJ]
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I think that the commercial hunters contributed to the ixnay on the wild game ay 'cause they wholesale killed the shizzle out of 'em. Sorry I am barely fluent in English (as a second language).

But the point you make is taken. If one wants "wild game" they should have to kill it their dam self. And then eat it. The non hunters and fisherfolk should not be entitled to any good quality meat. At the very best they should be given only the rotten nasty bits....better known as democrats.

But RVW imagines Pastor todd will enlighten the congregation.



Edited by RowVsWade (07/07/08 02:20 AM)
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#442515 - 07/07/08 02:13 AM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: TBJ]
laterun Offline
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Registered: 10/09/04
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I remember my grandfather talk about market hunting for ducks. They set out feed and set up a series of 8 gauge shotguns to a single trigger. I think they did some major damage to the populations for years to come with over harvest. I don't think the wild game populatins would rebound as quickly as the fish populations do, although they are in steep decline now from over harvest as well. A deer,bear,elk etc. is a population based on available feed to dictate reproduction as well as they physically seldom have more than two young in a breeding season. Fish on the other hand have several hundred if not thousands. Thankfully someone years ago saw this problem arising and passed legislation to stop the over harvest. We as sportsmen have yet to present an adequate case to the right ears in the right manner to get those in power to see the true plight the salmon and steelhead are truely in at this time. I do believe in the past few months there has been a little better light shone on the problem. Just my opinions.

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#442517 - 07/07/08 02:33 AM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: RowVsWade]
Irie Offline
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Registered: 11/26/06
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Originally Posted By: RowVsWade
I think that the commercial hunters contributed to the ixnay on the wild game ay 'cause they wholesale killed the shizzle out of 'em.



Look up "Bison & Passenger Pigeon, circa 1890's"


Edited by Irie (07/07/08 02:35 AM)

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#442518 - 07/07/08 02:33 AM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: RowVsWade]
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Originally Posted By: RowVsWade
Pastor todd will enlighten the congregation.



Pastor Todd... confused

Now that's some funny chit right there, I tell you.

Pastor of what? I didn't realize those left-wingers even went to church... well for other than disingenuous political reasons. wink grin

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#442521 - 07/07/08 05:17 AM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: TBJ]
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I'm happy to pay someone to go out to the middle of the Bering sea to catch the king crab I eat. Probably not much sport fishing out there. Everything isn't black and white.

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#442522 - 07/07/08 05:46 AM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: Keta]
cupo Offline
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I've wondered about this for years.

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#442523 - 07/07/08 06:14 AM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: cupo]
Chum Man Offline
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guys like the columbia river gillnetters can play the "dey terk ar jerbs!" card with the representatives pretty well.

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#442577 - 07/07/08 02:15 PM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: TBJ]
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If you are talking specifically about Washington, I think you can trace much of the problem of closing obsolete fisheries to the law that mandates the WDFW to provide "healthy commercial fisheries" .Another thing, it was probably a lot easier to make the case that market hunting was the cause of game population declines. There are so many factors contributing to the decline of fish, especially salmon that it is easy for special interest groups to muddy the waters and paralyze reform.

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#442598 - 07/07/08 03:22 PM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: TBJ]
fishbadger Offline
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Originally Posted By: TBJ
I have been wondering why it is legal for wild animals that live in the water to be harvested and sold for commercial purposes and not for wild animals that live on the land?


I think that's a really good question too,

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#442620 - 07/07/08 05:07 PM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: fishbadger]
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Why not take it a step further...why is it ok for companies to cut down trees on public forests..............if you want lumber, go cut down a tree your ownself ?

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#442626 - 07/07/08 05:38 PM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: Oregonian]
GreenRiver Offline
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Registered: 01/22/07
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Ducks were, because of their overabundance, commercially harvested. I looked up the history to read if the federal duck stamp was a result and found this article. You can almost substitue Salmon Fishing and gillnet into the appropriate spot and see into the future. Habitat is already included.


The rise of modern waterfowl hunting
The rise of modern waterfowl hunting is tied to the history of the shotgun, which can kill more reliably at greater ranges than a weapon that shoots a single projectile. [2] In the 19th century, the seemingly limitless flocks of ducks and geese in the Atlantic and Mississippi Flyways of North America were the basis for a thriving commercial waterfowl hunting industry. With the advent of punt guns- massive, boat-mounted shotguns that could fire a half-pound of lead shot at a time- hunters could kill dozens of birds with a single blast. This period of intense commercial waterfowl hunting is vividly depicted in James Michener's historical novel Chesapeake.
Although edible, swans are not hunted in many Western cultures because swans were historically a royal prerogative.
By the turn of the century, commercial hunting and loss of habitat lead to a decline in duck and goose populations in North America, along with many other species of wildlife. The Lacey Act of 1900, which outlawed transport of poached game across state lines, and the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918, which prohibited the possession of migratory birds without permission (such as a hunting license), marked the dawn of the modern conservation movement.
In 1934, at the urging of editorial cartoonist and conservationist J.N. "Ding" Darling, the US government passed the Migratory Bird Hunting Stamp Act, better known as the Federal Duck Stamp Act. This program required hunters to purchase a special stamp, in additional to a regular hunting license, to hunt migratory waterfowl. Revenues from the program provided the majority of funding for conservation for many decades and funded the purchase of 4.5 million acres (18,000 kmē) of National Wildlife Refuge land for waterfowl habitat since the program's inception. The Duck Stamp act has been described as "one of the most successful conservation programs ever devised."[3] Duck stamps have also become collectible items in their own right.[4]


Edited by GreenRiver (07/07/08 05:38 PM)
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#442646 - 07/07/08 07:26 PM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: Oregonian]
RowVsWade Offline
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Originally Posted By: Oregonian
Why not take it a step further...why is it ok for companies to cut down trees on public forests..............if you want lumber, go cut down a tree your ownself ?


Works for me but the loggers would have to go thru extensive taxpayer retraining at McDonalds University.
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#442660 - 07/07/08 09:33 PM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: Keta]
eyeFISH Offline
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Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12621
Originally Posted By: Keta
There are so many factors contributing to the decline of fish, especially salmon that it is easy for special interest groups to muddy the waters and paralyze reform.


BINGO!

All of our agencies have "analysis paralysis." Kind of like a doc who already know his patient is bleeding to death, but he keeps ordering a bazzillion blood tests just to make sure. With each test requiring another tube of blood loss.... HMMMM... and he wonders why all the tests point to acute blood loss and the need for a transfusion?

All these bass turds must have grown up in Missoura. Until they are abso-posi-lutely certain they have THE smoking gun, managers are content to flounder is a sea of never-ending studies while the status quo continues to deplete the resource.
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#442668 - 07/07/08 10:42 PM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: Oregonian]
Fast and Furious Offline
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Registered: 12/30/07
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Originally Posted By: Oregonian
Why not take it a step further...why is it ok for companies to cut down trees on public forests..............if you want lumber, go cut down a tree your ownself ?


Because its the cheapest most plentiful source of building materials.

Not all public land is logged and a lot of land that is logged is privately held. The public lands in washington and those logged, help provide funding for K-12 education. A lot of timber is shipped oversea

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#442678 - 07/07/08 11:40 PM Re: Why is it legal? [Re: Fast and Furious]
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Registered: 03/17/05
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In a world run completely by common sense, there would still be commercial fishing industry, there is no reason for humans not to utilize many resourses that wouldn't make sense to hunt/gather on an individual basis...thus the barter system.

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