#443812 - 07/15/08 11:03 AM
Re: Straw Poll
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In-tar-web Polls get spammed and arent accurate in the least. The nutjobs from Stormfront or GoonsNet probably got wind of it.
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#443887 - 07/15/08 06:26 PM
Re: Straw Poll
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Polls like AOL's mean nothing.....................actually even less than nothing really.
But if it makes you feel good, post it.
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#443888 - 07/15/08 06:27 PM
Re: Straw Poll
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If you want the latest polls go to www.realclearpolitics.com It's a good site that compiles the editorials and columnists from the major dailies along with every poll in the country for all elections. Not one sided as both Liberal/Conservative views are presented equally. Fair and balanced as I like to say.
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#443891 - 07/15/08 06:43 PM
Re: Straw Poll
[Re: Hankster]
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I don't care for RCP's methodology in averaging the different polls, try fivethirtyeight.com, a better site and better methodology when weighting polling numbers. RCP take different biases from different pollsters and averages them in a manner not conducive to real accuracate bottom line numbers. So far, I am liking what I see over at 538, not the numbers mind you, just the modeling they are using. .................but the Senate numbers are close to mine, so I say they're doing a good job on that score at 538.com......................... 
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#443912 - 07/15/08 09:07 PM
Re: Straw Poll
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I opened the 538 site for the first time and was a mite suspicious when I saw the Obama ad. After reading the FAQs I found out it was a commercial site. Whoever has the money can advertise there and McCain has an add as well. They seem to use the same pollsters but don't use an average like RCP. Ignore that averaging and concentrate on the polling agency you have the most confidence. I like reading different viewpoints and RCP offers that in one convenient bookmarked location. I'll bookmark 538 as well. Thanks.
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#444053 - 07/16/08 09:45 PM
Re: Straw Poll
[Re: Hankster]
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Pew/NY Times poll has it at 45-39 for Obama...
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#444200 - 07/17/08 03:40 PM
Re: Straw Poll
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The only numbers that will matter won't be out until November. Until then it is all BS. Isn't Dogfish voteing for Ron Paul?
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#444225 - 07/17/08 05:17 PM
Re: Straw Poll
[Re: stever in everett]
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Voiting for Ron Paul probably shows more intelligence and principles than voting for John McCain't does.................  After all, McCain't doesn't really stand for anything other than himself.
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#444227 - 07/17/08 05:19 PM
Re: Straw Poll
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#444231 - 07/17/08 05:24 PM
Re: Straw Poll
[Re: Kanektok Kid]
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I'm still writing in Newt on the absentee ballot and going fishing for two weeks but it seems to me the man that's all about CHANGE is actually about changing his position.
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#444235 - 07/17/08 05:35 PM
Re: Straw Poll
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You're right about that, Hank...McSame does have a really bad habit about FlipFlopping...he flips more than the cooks at IHOP.
1) Was against the Bush tax cuts; now is for making them permanent and even bigger.
2) Was against the GI Bill; now is for the GI Bill.
3) Was for immigration reform; now is against immigration reform - and repudiated his own prior position on immigration reform.
4) Opposed the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill - which had his name on it.
5) Was for gay marriage, and then opposed gay marriage.
6) Was for Roe v. Wade, then was against Roe v. Wade; then for it, sort of; then against it, sort of.
7) Was for storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain; then was against it.
8) In 2000 was for military action against rogue states; now is against it, EXCEPT for Iran….which he sings about bombing and says it's good to sell them cigarettes so we can kill them.
9) Negotiating with North Korea; was against it; then for it, especially when Bush did it.
10) Negotiating with Castro's Cuba - in 2000 was for it, now against it.
11) No negotiating with terrorists except when Colin Powell went to Syria in 2002 and when, in 2006, said we'd eventually have to deal with Hamas.
12) Unilateral military action against terrorists in Pakistan - against it when Obama said it was good; for it when Bush did it in the spring of 2008.
13) Warrantless wiretaps - against them 6 months ago; for them now.
14) Torturing detainees - always against it; since he was tortured he should know. Now, in favor of torturing detainees.
15) Perpetual detention of detainees - bad a few years ago, good now.
16) Iraq - the right course in 2004; stay the course in 2005 and now he was always against the flawed strategy - especially when Rumsfeld was there.
17) Estate tax - for it in 2006; against it now.
18) 2004 - for privatizing Social Security; 2008 against privatizing Social Security.
19) February 2008 promised a balanced budget in 4 years. April 2008 said it will take 8 years. June 2008…..back to 4 years. [And, since he is now for the Bush tax cuts, balancing the budget EVER will be impossible.]
20) In 2008 - first glad to look at oil windfall profits tax; then it's a bad idea - Jimmy Carter's bad idea.
21) In 2000 - no new offshore oil drilling; now, just very recently, it's a great idea.
22) In 2000 - attacked Bush fundraising leaders; in 2006 had some of the same people co-chair his own fundraisers.
23) In 2000 - Jerry Falwell was an "agent of intolerance"; in 2006 McCain delivered the commencement address at Falwell's Liberty University and in 2008 McCain was big buddies with Rev. Hagee and Pastor Parsley.
24) Opposed and voted against the Martin Luther King holiday; now says he was for it.
25) 1986 - opposed South African divestment to attack apartheid; June 2008, praised it.
26) In 2000 - defended South Carolina's Confederate flag as a symbol of heritage; in 2002 said it should come down and it was an "act of political cowardice to not take it down."
27) 2000 - against teaching creationism in schools; 2005 - alternatives to evolution should be taught.
28) Was "for" being married to his wife, but then cheated on her and dumped her for his current trophy wife, who happens to be hot and rich, both of which are good Christian "family values".
McLame is pandering to the RWWJ's so badly that it must hurt...maybe as bad as it hurts his face to keep putting on that skeleton rictus you see him with every time he sees a camera.
He's about as "maverick" as french toast, too...he keeps trying to distance himself from the dipshit in office right now, which is a good idea considering what a failure and a disgrace he is, but "trying" and "distancing" are clearly two different things, since he keeps saying he's for "change", but is really just for doing the same ol' same ol' that has embarrassed us and our country for the past seven and a half years.
Fish on...
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#444236 - 07/17/08 05:35 PM
Re: Straw Poll
[Re: stever in everett]
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The only numbers that will matter won't be out until November. Until then it is all BS. Isn't Dogfish voteing for Ron Paul? I might be..... Stever, are you familar with Dan Quail? 
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#444240 - 07/17/08 05:41 PM
Re: Straw Poll
[Re: Kanektok Kid]
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Anyone listen to the two big speeches that McCan't and Obama made this past week?
Obama gave an hour long speech about all the things he would do, a lot of particulars about his plans and ideas...McLame spent 45 minutes talking about...Obama.
This is going to be McSame's "platform"...don't talk about anything that he believes or holds dear, because that will change with the ebbing and flowing tides of the Radical Religious Right, which means it will change about as often as he has to change his Depends...instead, he'll just keep talking about Obama.
It's pleasing to the sheep to hear unsubstantiated horseshit about Obama, because it makes them feel oh so good inside...it's a good thing they don't actually require that FreddieMacCain actually have any principles or plans beyond just "staying the course" for another four or eight years, because besides talking about Obama, it's all he's got...
Fish on...
Todd
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#444247 - 07/17/08 05:45 PM
Re: Straw Poll
[Re: Todd]
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Also, I'm tired of hearing him and the RWWJ's tell us how great "the surge" has been.
When it was first being sold to the American public, we were told that the surge was necessary to make space for accomplishing the goal of political discourse amongst the warring factions in Iraq, because everyone knows that there is no such thing as a "military victory" when there are a handful of groups vying for supremacy in a civil war.
The escalation took place, and attacks on Americans in Iraq dropped...a good thing by anyone's estimation...but no political progress took place at all, not one iota of it...so the ultimate goal of the surge, as it was sold to us, did not happen...it, too, failed...just like most every other BushCorp policy aimed at "winning" this war.
Fish on...
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