Attached is her letter to Washington Commissioner Gutzwiler. In addition, she's calling for an economic summary of the sportfishing and commercial fisheries.

Here is the link:
http://www.ifish.net/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=10027&d=1216130929

I normally do not post links to other sites however this is an exception.

Thanks BD

Its only been 15 months. Its election time. She has three months to get it done, done, done.

Bottom line is this is the first time any politician of her stature has addressed this issue. It's long overdue. I don't care if she is doing it because the devil offered her money to support her crack habit. This discussion is long overdue and I for one am glad to see the issue brought up.

I see this as a big deal. I wonder why there are so few comments?

Does this actually mean the WDFW Director will have get off his ass and come up with SELECTIVE commercial fisheries and allow more SELECTIVE sports fisheries, and also stop negotiating away fish to tribes? Sorry to be a pessimist, I will only believe it when I see it.

Hell she did not win the first, second or third time. if you think that someone that is that deep in the pockets of the tribes is doing anything but lip service to get elected I have a bridge to sell you, but you cant fish from it just gamble.

Dave, I think no one is commenting because of so long a time we are all used to the pat on the back and then business as usual. If she is for real on this, its the biggest break sportmen and women have ever got in this state. Maybe the handwriting is on the wall now and even the politicians can see it. At long last maybe we get really heard for the first time. Yup, its a big thing for sure.

Hmmm - if she was doing it to get elected, I'm guessing she would keep her mouth shut about specifics as the Commercials have the most to lose (and the biggest advertising $$$ to support Dino if they actually feel threatened) if she's serious. She's already allocated $$$ for Hood Canal and Sound cleanup, and the word I hear is that she's serious about the Selective Fisheries thing as well.

Someone else said it - as with all things political - - - only time will tell.

Brian

Brian,

That depends on the competition, she needs to polarize and organize the strongest support she can. If her opponent Dino already has the commercial then she goes after what's left and needs to create that unity.

Dave don't you think Norm Dicks has more clout and he is the strongest proponent we have that matters?> This is not the first time this has been addressed either...

The "Salmon & Yoga Political Party," fully supports the Governor on this one. It's a wise and much needed action.

Dicks has long been a strong supporter of sport fishing, but he has little clout with the sate commissioners. He's also a good guy. I have had the chance to sit and have a beer with him and talk fishing. He knows the topic well.

If this has been discussed by a politician as high ranking as the governor I missed it.

This is where commercial fishing needs to go and I am grateful to any politician discussing it. Who knows what if any action we will get, but I favor our chances more when the governor is talking about it then when she is not. Like it or not commercial fishing is not going away as long as there are fish. We need to move toward selective harvest. I see this discussion as a positive steop in that direction.

We need to try to look past party affilliation and look at who can do us the most good. Dicks is a dem and a sport fishers friend. Yet another dem is state senator is one of our worst enemies. I would support Gregoie or Rossi in a heart beat if they could convinvce me they were willing to work hard to bring about selective commercial harvest. i couldn't care less which party bring us what we need, as long as someone does the job.

Those who ask the Governor to “do something” about Indian fishing simply don’t understand the history of the issue. I would love to hear what that “something” would be.

Well said Dave

New Entry into Chemistry's Periodic Table of Earth Elements



Recent research has led to the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science.
The new element, Governmentium (Gv), has one neutron,25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.



These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert; however, it can be detected, because it impedes every action with which it comes into contact.



A minute amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second to require from four days to four years tocomplete. Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2-6 years; it does not decay, but instead will undergo a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.



In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.



This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass. When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium, another element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium, since it has half as many peons, but twice as many morons.

Obviously she is seriuos, she has been trying to remove certain bad eggs from the commision and has been an advocate for sports Fishing. If Rossi is elected we will all be f***** as sportsfisherman, he is bought and paid for by the commercials, besides being a total Jackass !!!

Peace
Fly

Posted on another thread by Dave...



You sure you want Dino Rossi in charge of appointing new Commissioners?

Gregoire has only appointed those who have either a sportfishing or conservation background, or both...the last two commercial hacks we've had on the Commission were disastrous for us, the fish, and the fishing...we've only just now got rid of them and are getting rid of the effects of them being there...

Fish on...

Todd

Todd: "You sure you want Dino Rossi in charge of appointing new Commissioners?"

I do not know for whom I will vote; however, just because Rossi is willing to speak with the Commercial Fishermen does not rule him out in my book.
After all, we still have the same person as head of WDFW as we had when the Lady Governess stole the last election.

Being "willing to speak" with commercials is not the same as "thinks there should be a commercial fisherman on the commission"...

If you have a bunch of reasons why you think Rossi would be a better Governor, than by all means you should vote for him...but if you think it is because Rossi will be better for fish and fishing, then you are fooling yourself, considerably, too...and with Rossi in the pockets of the commercials, you don't really think that he'd make any effort to get rid of the current Director, who has been the commercial industry's wet dream, do you?

Fish on...

Todd

So far the Governor has been very good on environmental issues. She has followed through on a lot of the things she has championed and I hope she follows through on this one. Rossi does not believe in climate change which is the largest environmental issue facing us all so how can we expect him to care about our fisheries.

I think she took a lot of her ideas from the CCA's positions letter. Which she had received a few weeks before she issued her letter.

Maybe Rossi could mix it up and put a developer on the commission.

When I clicked on the link Big Daddy provided it took me to an iFISH registration page. Is there any way to see this letter without having to register?

And, thanks for letting us know about this BD.

I do not know why Rossi is anymore in the Commercial't pocket mre than Chrissy is, because a great many WEA members work on fishing boats during the Summer, and the Democrat Party is wholly subsiderary of the WEA.

I was sort of on the Rossi/Gregoire fence, but for me this pushes it over the top for Gregoire...

I find the anti-Gregoire advertising on the radio, entirely funded by the home builders associations, to be super annoying. When people who want to develop huge tracts of land for housing run advertising complaining about traffic congestion (a demonstrable side effect of urban sprawl), that's when you know you're dealing with the wrong guys.

I was on the fence too, but with Gregoir actively trying to help our fish and Rossi saying he's not sure global warming is for real, I gotta vote Gregoir.

Dave somehow I can't picture you voting for a Republican...But then again I supported Gregoire so I suppose anything is possible.

I think many folks think I hate republicans because I have been so unhappy with Bush. ( I have been very unhappy with his environmental record. Who wouldn't be? )

The fact is, I have supported for a number of republicans including Nixon, the first time GHW Bush and Dave Reichert.

I liked the old time Ronald regan republican values of smaller government, balanced budget and fiscal restraint. But the current Rs seem to have totally abandoned that.

I would vote for McCain if he weren't so damn old. I do admire him, and am torn betweeen Obama's inexperience and McCain's old age.

BTW if you can remember back far enough I often gave Clinton hell in my columns.

I voted for Ronald both times, GHW Bush both times, and never voted for Clinton or GW Bush. This time around, this Independent is for Obama!

The Ant & The Grasshopper



OLD VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


NEW VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.


The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well-fed while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?


Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's home where the news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.' Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi & John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Ant~Pro-Grasshopper Act, retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill Clinton appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients.

The ant loses the case.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he has failed to maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.


The grasshopper is found dead in a drug-related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2008!!

Phoenix,

Those jokes are great contributions to this thread...thanks.

Like I said above, there are a multitude of issues that someone should consider when they are looking at who to vote for, and if on the balance of things you prefer Rossi, then by all means exercise your right to vote by punching your ticket for him...but do not fool yourself into thinking that you are doing anything but harm for your fish and fisheries when you do...you might be getting a lot of other things you like with Rossi, but better fishing, protection of our fish, and protection of their habitat will absolutely deteriorate whenever he has a role to play in it...the most obvious spot being his appointments to the commission.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Happy Birthday!

Todd, My Fella,
Do I feel a snide remark from you anent my "jokes"? Politics to me is no joking matter. It is sometimes truths "medicine" easier to take with a spoon full of sugar.

If the happy birthday is for me, how the Heck did you know?

P. S: WEA being in the pocket (or vive-a-versa) Democrat Party in this
state is no jpoking matter.

There's a birthday cake next to your name...signifying that it is your birthday, assuming the bday you put in your profile is the actual date...

So happy birthday!

I don't find politics to be a laughing matter, either...and Dino having the BIAW as his closest allies spells nothing but bad things for fish and fishing, and joining up with the commercial fishers, especially if he intends to put one on the DFW Commission, would be even more disastrous.

Fish on...

Todd

Well, I'll be darned.

ROSSI = Lying jackass silvertounge mother******* who does not have a clue !!!!!!!!

Peace
Fly

Gee Fly, I thought you had stronger opinions about these things.

Sg

Word-Throw in some Teddy Roosevelt convervationism and you have my basic political philosophy. I've said for a while now I'm a conservative without a party!

I haven't decided yet buy I'm starting to lean................

I am just back from a trip to North Dakota and Montana. I spent a couple of nights at thr T.R. National Monument. I had forgotten how great a conservationist T.R. was. When you consider he also took on the oligoplies, he really was a great president. The desire to protect the nations resources and the consumer has somehow escape the current batch of those who carry his parties label.

Dave,

I am just back from a trip to North Dakota and Montana. I spent a couple of nights at thr T.R. National Monument. I had forgotten how great a conservationist T.R. was. When you consider he also took on the oligoplies, he really was a great president. The desire to protect the nations resources and the consumer has somehow escape the current batch of those who carry his parties label. [/quote]

You got that RIGHT Dave, that's why I am having problems voting this year. No, I am not voting for Obmam the Messiah, but there are others.

I'm intriqued by the Ms. G. bashes Dino ads. It seems every one that I've seen can be simply translated to, "Dino doesn't vote for taxes." I'm finding that rather attractive myself.

Obama is a no show for me......let him come back when he figures out who the Hell he is. The guy is a non-entity.

my 2

I'm voting Democrat because…

I know that the guy with only 143 days experience

is the most qualified for the job.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I believe the government will do a better job

of spending the money I earn than I would.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I believe white people need to spend their time

at the back of the bus.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I believe three or four pointy headed elitist liberals

need to rewrite the Constitution every few days

to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER

get their agendas past the voters.





I'm voting Democrat because…

I believe that paying $4.00 a gallon or more

is no reason to drill for the mountain of oil

we are sitting on in THIS country.

We wouldn't want to have to move a couple

of polar bears now would we?



I'm voting Democrat because…

when we pull out of Iraq, I trust that the bad

guys will stop what they're doing because

they now think we're good people.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I like it when planes fly into buildings full of

civilians. I want to see more of that.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I don't want a stimulus check to spend.

Let the government spend it for me.



I'm voting Democrat because…

Freedom of speech is fine as long as

nobody is offended by it.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I love the fact that I can now marry whatever

I want. I'm going to marry my TV.



I'm voting Democrat because…

It's important that we keep all

death row inmates alive.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I don't want to eat poison food and drink

dirty water. We all know Republicans love

that stuff. Ever wonder why the most left

wing country in the World (China) is the

most polluted?



I'm voting Democrat because…

I believe that when the terrorists don't have

to hide from us over there and as a result come

over here I don't want to have any guns in

the house to fight them off with.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I believe that churches should only be

allowed for political speeches.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I believe that business should not be allowed

to make profits for themselves. They need to

break even and give the rest away to the employees.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I believe that I don't want Doctors who were

at the top of their classes to operate on me.

I want a government employee who makes

$50k a year and couldn't hack it as a contractor

or an engineer to do it.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I believe that people who can't tell us if it will

rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps

will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving

a Prius.



I'm voting Democrat because…

I REALLY believe there is no bias in the media

I'm voting Republican because...

I REALLY do think that GW Bush will be remembered as the best president we've ever had.

I BELIEVE what I hear on FoxNews, and I BELIEVE the horseshit that Rush and Hannity, and their ilk, spread.

I BELIEVE in party first, people second.

Why is crap like that even being posted, Phoenix? Besides the fact that it's [censored], it has nothing to do with the topic, either.

Feel free to make up your own reasons for thinking the above, and that Dino, his friends in the insurance industry, and his owners in the BIAW actuallly will make fishing better for you...but don't bother pretending to have clue one about why others don't buy into it...we can handle ourselves just fine, thank you.

Fish on...

Todd

like this site better when the excessive political biaaatchn stays on the life beyond fishing forum and the main board sticks to reports, pics and insights on fishing.

I agree with you, ergo, I'll cease fire.

+1

Not really, McCain has repeatedly referred to TR as a very big influence. There are plenty of people who are still skeptical about Global Climate change and more importantly, the cause of it. Now, if you agree with Gore, who wants to eliminate the use of fossil fuels completely, in ten years, what will happen to the airlines and the space program. Finally, one governor does not make national policy. I would at least find the quote and get the date of the quote. In 85- 86 time frame the best science and public spin at the time, said that women did not get AIDS.
Things change. I havent had time to research the info, but in the last few days, I started hearing about 15,000 scientist who are not on board with global warming.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/080627-north-pole.htm

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928_trendscontinue.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071212-AP-arctic-melt.html