So now we have two candidates that will change positions at the drop of the hat or whichever way the wind is blowing at the time. One's creeping toward the center and the other is trying with all his heart to get to the conservative base. Neither is accomplishing that and both are infuriating the people that got them where they are. The Libs are pissed at Obama for changing his stance on Iraq,partial birth abortion,gun control and others that escape me at the moment. The Mods are P.O.'d at McCain for, well, just being McCain I guess. In the final analysis, We Are So Screwed to have these bumblewits to choose from.

It's part of why it's so hard to get a Senator elected...they've voted on so many things, even in a short Senate career like Obama's, that they're bound to have either voted on both sides of an issue, or to have voted against the interests of every single American, eventually...or more than likely, both.

That, of course, is a totally different subject than changing "deeply held" principles based on the polling numbers of your most current "base"...that's just plain ol' hackery and pandering.

On a somewhat related note, referring to my #28 on the list, how is it that the party that owns the most adulterers, divorcees, gay sex scandals, etc., still call themselves the party of "family values"...or is that what the Republicans really think "family values" are?

I have my own opinion as to what they really mean when they say "family values", and why the Republican party owns the title, but I'm curious as to what others might think...and don't bother arguing with the premise, as there are far more felons, divorced (often more than once), and adulterers among the current crop of Republican politicians...by far...than there are amongst the Democrats...easy public records, just try Google.

Fish on...

Todd

Hankster - I appreciate your comments. We disagree on some fundamental levels politically, but it's refreshing to have opposing opinions discoursed thoughtfully and with obvious intelligence.

+1

The Democrats have the Godfather of Family Values in Teddy Kennedy. His brother John was a piece of work in that department too. Oh, I forgot der Schlickmeister, the epitome of sleaze. He's married to Hillary so he has a little wiggle room there. I'm thinking there is enough human frailty on both sides of the fence.

Lowedown,Todd, I appreciate your comments and would love to spend some time with you on the water. As long as you don't try to drown me at the end of the day.
I love intelligent discourse.

Well if you ever make it up our way we'll have to make that happen. Todd will argue with you until your ears bleed, and I'll row the boat and make timely, precise wisecracks.

I'll just throw bombs from the backbench.............

Perhaps a few long winded diatribes regarding the fundamental dishonesty of the entire necon belief systen, as opposed to the beliefs of a 'movement' conservative or 'paleocon'...............

Nothing you haven't heard before.

Gotta love a man that's willing to row the boat. Timely and precise wisecracks bring a smile to my face.
Long winded diatribes from Todd? Who would have believed that could be possible?

If he just concentrates on rowing the boat instead being a smartass, I'll spend most of my time fighting fish rather than talking politics...we'll all throw rocks at KK as we float past some barren gravel bar that he's vainly waving his 15 foot magic wand over...

On the other hand, maybe we'll just pull up and have him make us lunch...mf'r can cook.

Fish on...

Todd

Uh....................

It's 14'4''......................

Flingin' nymphs all day will tend to wear a shoulder out after time. But you say he can cook? I knew he had redeeming qualities.

He likes good wine, too...and sometimes brings it fishing.

Have him make you smoked ribs if you fish with him.

Thanks for pointing out my spelling error. I tired it the right way but that didn't look correct either.

+11

I appreciate that you use actual sources for info and not ditto-head speak.

You mentioned that Mother Jones is a liberal source, but I think of them as an independent source as they do not employ a writing staff with a specific agenda and they are not beholden to a corporate parent or sponser. Still, I always check the author's credentials for each story - there will always be bias to some degree.

Where's AuntyM?

"Where's AuntyM?"
She got dissed fairly bad a couple of weeks ago and asked to have her posts deleated. Haven't seen her post since. Couldn't even find the thread where she said it either.

Go over to gf.com and see her spreading her "centrist" views on the politics page there...she's about as "centrist" as Atilla the Hun, and only moderately more likely to have an actual conversation regarding politics...

Fish on...

Todd

Well, everyone has an opion on the matter and usually they only make sense to the person that is thinking it. That is why I try to avoid conversation about the politics of this country, religion, affirmative action and womens rights. I always seem to piss someone off. Sometimes there are things better left alone.

Anyone that prefers the company of the tweekers, poachers, and scammers 'over there' to this place certainly has my welcome to stay there.

Todd-

Why would I want to go to any website other than this one?

I am less concerned about what other people say is the only way to be (politically, religously, life, etc.) than findng out a different viewpoint. My wife pointed out to me last night that I often play devil's advocate for stuff I don't believe in. Here on the dark side, they are just words on a screen, if you take a deep breath and stand back from it all for a minute. I don't agree with what many people say on this site, but that's what makes it interesting. I hope AuntyM comes back. I also enjoy "guest appearances" by BigStick, so maybe I'm not on my meds right now.

Oh yeah, there's all the fish porn and tips and advice!